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3clipseGT said:
Great review bud! I could see how taking it with a meal would make for a better libido boost due to the nettle being absorbed better.

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Hmm I didnt even think about this. Im definitely going to take it with food tonight.

I know I didnt follow this log Tom but great job on the review. You truly are a big help to this forum.
 
Resurrecting this bc Kleen told me u were on trt while using this, as I am and wish to use this soon... About how far apart are the doses? Would something like 11am, 6pm, 9pm work? Or Is there a 'minimum' time needed between doses ? Thanks, can't wait to try out what seems to be a forum favorite (will be using with erase and androderm patch)
 
chedapalooza said:
Resurrecting this bc Kleen told me u were on trt while using this, as I am and wish to use this soon... About how far apart are the doses? Would something like 11am, 6pm, 9pm work? Or Is there a 'minimum' time needed between doses ? Thanks, can't wait to try out what seems to be a forum favorite (will be using with erase and androderm patch)
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not sure how important timing is, that protocal should be fine, imo....together with erase and androderm should be nice, if you look at charts for free test while using androderm and androgel free test is very low percentage wise, i think endosurge will be of great benefit...
 
thebigt said:
not sure how important timing is, that protocal should be fine, imo....together with erase and androderm should be nice, if you look at charts for free test while using androderm and androgel free test is very low percentage wise, i think endosurge will be of great benefit...
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1 other thing, if you can afford it get some dermacrine, if not buy some dhea-50mg daily should be fine!!!
 
im intertedin thi as well.........im runnin eraeright now, should i throw in endourge as welll..........im also on trt
 
chedapalooza said:
What will these things do / accomplish?
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endosurge will free up test, looking at charts on trt products like androderm/gel and test cyp, most of the test is bound and very little is free or circulating where it it useful. as to the dermacrine when you are shutdown, which you will be on trt, you not only don't make test but also no dhea which is needed for a lot of beneficial things.
 
mkretz said:
im intertedin thi as well.........im runnin eraeright now, should i throw in endourge as welll..........im also on trt
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hell yeah, when you are on trt endosurge will make a really noticeable difference-even more so than for guys not on trt. i absolutely love endosurge as a compliment to my trt.
 
thebigt said:
endosurge will free up test, looking at charts on trt products like androderm/gel and test cyp, most of the test is bound and very little is free or circulating where it it useful. as to the dermacrine when you are shutdown, which you will be on trt, you not only don't make test but also no dhea which is needed for a lot of beneficial things.
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I'm sold on the endo but dermacrine I'm wary about, don't wanna use too much at once, ya know
 
chedapalooza said:
I'm sold on the endo but dermacrine I'm wary about, don't wanna use too much at once, ya know
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i understand completely...if you are on trt and don't want to get dermacrine you should at least get some oral dhea-50mg daily should be plenty, imo. but i highly recommend the endosurge, there are graphs to be found that show how little of the test you get from trt is free, you would be amazed!!!!
 
thanks alot for the info....... i think i have some 7-keto dhea still 50 mgs?..........im def gonna use endourge once my erase is out thanks again!! REPS!
 
mkretz said:
thanks alot for the info....... i think i have some 7-keto dhea still 50 mgs?..........im def gonna use endourge once my erase is out thanks again!! REPS!
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7 keto is way diff than dhea I'm almost positive.. And erase+endosurge is probably your best bet..

I'm on a low dose androderm patch. I'm only a week in..
 
chedapalooza said:
7 keto is way diff than dhea I'm almost positive.. And erase+endosurge is probably your best bet..

I'm on a low dose androderm patch. I'm only a week in..
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i had a few sample androderm patches...effective, but a pain in the rear..1 they don't stay on very well i ended up putting them on my arm and using a wrap to keep them on.and 2 they cause horrible itching and patches.



i agree that erase/endosurge are great addition to trt...but dhea should be included.

do some research on dhea and trt!!!
 
thebigt said:
i had a few sample androderm patches...effective, but a pain in the rear..1 they don't stay on very well i ended up putting them on my arm and using a wrap to keep them on.and 2 they cause horrible itching and patches.

i agree that erase/endosurge are great addition to trt...but dhea should be included.

do some research on dhea and trt!!!
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I will later on tn when I cant sleeplol. The patch does not irritate me at all actually, and it stayed on thru every workout including hiit cardio! I feel like it is most effective/absorbed when on my stomach and least effective when on my thighs, which I has to shave little spots into lol. I can't put on my arms bc there's tatts
 
chedapalooza said:
I will later on tn when I cant sleeplol. The patch does not irritate me at all actually, and it stayed on thru every workout including hiit cardio! I feel like it is most effective/absorbed when on my stomach and least effective when on my thighs, which I has to shave little spots into lol. I can't put on my arms bc there's tatts
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you are lucky then, i thought the androderm patches were effective but didn't like them for the reasons i said earlier, if these aren't issues for you then you are good to go!!!
 
thebigt said:
you are lucky then, i thought the androderm patches were effective but didn't like them for the reasons i said earlier, if these aren't issues for you then you are good to go!!!
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Awesome :)

I admit the ONLY set back is needing to apply same time at night.. I was out with my gf Friday night and we had to cut it short to go home.. It's still new to me so i didn't think to plan ahead and bring a new one with me for a quick switch.
 
it seems dhea has a very god chance of converting to e2 especially oral versions.........not worth it, unless endosurge stop this conversion, but i dont think iw ant to risk it without something to counteract that
 
chedapalooza said:
Awesome :)

I admit the ONLY set back is needing to apply same time at night.. I was out with my gf Friday night and we had to cut it short to go home.. It's still new to me so i didn't think to plan ahead and bring a new one with me for a quick switch.
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lol...you can carry patches to put on anywhere, 10 gms of androgel on the other hand-good lord that is a lot, takes forever to put it on!!!
 
mkretz said:
it seems dhea has a very god chance of converting to e2 especially oral versions.........not worth it, unless endosurge stop this conversion, but i dont think iw ant to risk it without something to counteract that
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you are looking at dhea being used by someone who is making their own test.

google dhea and trt...special set of cicumstances for us on trt, we aren't making any dhea-or at least not enough!!!
 
mkretz said:
thats exactly what was being discussed...........so you are sayin no sides with oral even?
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no one can say you won't have sides on anything until you try it and see.....but what i will say is dhea is beneficial to those on trt, even those who don't recommend dhea to others will recommend it to those on trt. i have been using dhea for the last 3 years while on trt, i do quite a few cycles of otc ai's but not continuously and my estrogen level has never been out of the normal range, and i was on 200mg weekly of test cyp!!!


i don't recommend over 50mg, hell you might even try 25mg to start and see if you do have any sides.
 
Big t- can I put the patch on the inside of my bicep? I don't have tats there.. But outer arm n tris I do.

Edit- I did hah. It felt like it wasn't getting thru on my back. I wonder if that's why my mood has been declining the last two days and sleep has been very poor. Perhaps not getting good absorption.. I've had it on my thighs and they're VERY thick.. Dense muscle, lil bf, THICK skin.. My abs and arms r very thin skinned and seem much more permeable/porous. Usually I can feel my skin sucking it in and I hacent had that past two application sites.

Sorry for turning this into my little trt q&a thread btw!
 
thebigt said:
no one can say you won't have sides on anything until you try it and see.....but what i will say is dhea is beneficial to those on trt, even those who don't recommend dhea to others will recommend it to those on trt. i have been using dhea for the last 3 years while on trt, i do quite a few cycles of otc ai's but not continuously and my estrogen level has never been out of the normal range, and i was on 200mg weekly of test cyp!!!

i don't recommend over 50mg, hell you might even try 25mg to start and see if you do have any sides.
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Listen to this man.

Dhea will do wondrous things for those on trt but dose should be low to moderate. This will supply you with many of the beneficial metabolites not available from testosterone itself.

An ai May need to be used, but such is the case with trt regardless.

I honestly DON'T rec straight dhea use by otherwise healthy men with functioning endocrine systems.
 
thebigt said:
no one can say you won't have sides on anything until you try it and see.....but what i will say is dhea is beneficial to those on trt, even those who don't recommend dhea to others will recommend it to those on trt. i have been using dhea for the last 3 years while on trt, i do quite a few cycles of otc ai's but not continuously and my estrogen level has never been out of the normal range, and i was on 200mg weekly of test cyp!!!


i don't recommend over 50mg, hell you might even try 25mg to start and see if you do have any sides.
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Great advice man :thumbsup:
 
While not on TRT myself, seasoned gents such as myself react nicely to DHEA. I get a tremendous bump of energy and a sense of well being while running it.
 
I feel it's effects with the first application.
 
chedapalooza said:
Big t- can I put the patch on the inside of my bicep? I don't have tats there.. But outer arm n tris I do.

Edit- I did hah. It felt like it wasn't getting thru on my back. I wonder if that's why my mood has been declining the last two days and sleep has been very poor. Perhaps not getting good absorption.. I've had it on my thighs and they're VERY thick.. Dense muscle, lil bf, THICK skin.. My abs and arms r very thin skinned and seem much more permeable/porous. Usually I can feel my skin sucking it in and I hacent had that past two application sites.

Sorry for turning this into my little trt q&a thread btw!
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inner arms is a great spot, imo.....here is a tip i found with androderm patches. there was considerable amount of base inactive gel left in the patch when it took it off, so i used scissors and cut it in half, then squeezed out the remaining gel and rubbed it in on my shoulders...whatever active was left in the patch was fast acting when applied this way, i got a nice little bump right away-hell maybe it was placebo, who knows all i know is i liked it, lol..
 
also i found that if you want to make it last, even a half dose of dermacrine will be noticeable!!!

but at least do the 25mg of oral dhea and see for yourself!!!!
 
Sourdough said:
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Listen to this man.

Dhea will do wondrous things for those on trt but dose should be low to moderate. This will supply you with many of the beneficial metabolites not available from testosterone itself.

An ai May need to be used, but such is the case with trt regardless.

I honestly DON'T rec straight dhea use by otherwise healthy men with functioning endocrine systems.
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damn...i really wanted to give you rep points, but i forgot that when you do the thanks thing you can't give reps also-next time!!!!
 
thebigt said:
inner arms is a great spot, imo.....here is a tip i found with androderm patches. there was considerable amount of base inactive gel left in the patch when it took it off, so i used scissors and cut it in half, then squeezed out the remaining gel and rubbed it in on my shoulders...whatever active was left in the patch was fast acting when applied this way, i got a nice little bump right away-hell maybe it was placebo, who knows all i know is i liked it, lol..
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Alright cool.

Lol @cutting it open, wouldn't that screw up the results? my dr will think I'm getting those numbers from just the 2mg rather than what I'm actUally doing.. All I know is today I feel like ****.. Very weak, foggy, did not sleep n didn't wanna wake up or work out.. But I always force myself. I believe this indicates a)shut down and b) I need a a higher dose
 
i just started endosurge last night and today........alng with erase pro, is it ok to now add in dhea?
 
Just read that dhea can free up bound test while on TRT and help prevent hormonal cancers.. My main concern is that it can metabolize to estrogen... Would it make sense then to only run dhea at 8 weeks on/ 4 off with an AI?
 
chedapalooza said:
Just read that dhea can free up bound test while on TRT and help prevent hormonal cancers.. My main concern is that it can metabolize to estrogen... Would it make sense then to only run dhea at 8 weeks on/ 4 off with an AI?
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test aromatases to estrogen also, does that mean you are going to cycle it, lol. you are focusing too much on the negative, there are a ton of benefits from dhea-just use a low dose to start!!! using an ai is not a bad idea though!!!
 
chedapalooza said:
Alright cool.

Lol @cutting it open, wouldn't that screw up the results? my dr will think I'm getting those numbers from just the 2mg rather than what I'm actUally doing.. All I know is today I feel like ****.. Very weak, foggy, did not sleep n didn't wanna wake up or work out.. But I always force myself. I believe this indicates a)shut down and b) I need a a higher dose
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b] i agree you probably need a higher dose, the patches i had were 5mg.

i got good results putting the patch on my inner arm, try it there and see if that helps.
 
chedapalooza said:
Extenze has dhea and pregnenolone.. On top of everything else ..Bad idea?
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Hmmmm, extenze.... why?

Cheaper and safer would be some research chemicals.... either tadalafil or sildinafil (viagra and cialis) or ask the doc for a scrip.

No reason to take that jumbled up joke of a male enhancement pill
 
Sourdough said:
Hmmmm, extenze.... why?

Cheaper and safer would be some research chemicals.... either tadalafil or sildinafil (viagra and cialis) or ask the doc for a scrip.

No reason to take that jumbled up joke of a male enhancement pill
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Yea lol just asking bc I had used it a couple years ago for a month or two when inwas having issues from Prozac. But I've been of anti deptessans over two years now
 
ordered dhea last night, jsut 100 25mg caps, wouldve gotten teh 100 100 mg caps but hats way too much although it was wayyyy cheaper
 
what do u guy think of age force dhea patches? think its a good idea, they got a sick 2 for 1 deal goinon till sunday....think i hsould jump on it?
 
mkretz said:
what do u guy think of age force dhea patches? think its a good idea, they got a sick 2 for 1 deal goinon till sunday....think i hsould jump on it?
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lol...other than this was[is]a bps sponsored log....i have been curious about those patches.

if you get them, let me know how it goes!!!
 
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