In for feedback, I got tennis elbow or something of that nature that I'd love to get rid of..
How did you know the b12 transdermal worked ? Didnyou get your levels tested pre and post or going off feeling (possible placebo?) Not having a go, i actually bought some bpc patches and on my 4th day now... havent noticed anything yet but hoping i will in the next couple of daysI'm not for or against the product but find it highly amusing when people without any real knowledge of how transdermal absorption work try to debunk something they don't understand whilst pretending that they're experts.
I've taken Transdermal b12 which supposedly should be impossible as b12 is also "too big" to pass through yet it blows sublinguals & injections out of the water for a lot of people.
I don't care about the product per-se, buy or don't buy but to see all the "scientists" in here saying what is and isn't possible because they read an article about a theory which may or may not hold up (or have ways to be bypassed)..
Be humble.
Yes I herd from a friend that he feels less of his tennis elbow !!In for feedback, I got tennis elbow or something of that nature that I'd love to get rid of..
I wish I could get an answer about the delivery technology to overcome the molecular weight discrepancy. I can only guess, the irritation has something to do with that. If you are trying to get something bigger into a smaller hole, you either make it smaller or the hole bigger. Making something smaller destroys it, so they would have to have a way to make the hole bigger for the transdermal delivery to actually work.I've used these for two days now (wearing overnight to avoid questions at work), nothing to report so far effects wise. I have some longstanding tendinosis in my right wrist that I should start to feel some relief from if these are legit. I was already using injectible BPC-157 for a torn flexor tendon, so hopefully that continues to improve as well. I find that these irritated the skin of my inner elbow region when worn there, but not my inner wrist area when I wore the patch there last night.
I hear ya man, they haven't exactly been forthcoming about the molecular weight concern that has been brought up in this thread. An answer would go a long way to quelling the concerns of the members here, and likely lead to more sales. They certainly don't have to give up any secrets, just a basic idea of how these are supposed to work would be all that is required.I wish I could get an answer about the delivery technology to overcome the molecular weight discrepancy. I can only guess, the irritation has something to do with that. If you are trying to get something bigger into a smaller hole, you either make it smaller or the hole bigger. Making something smaller destroys it, so they would have to have a way to make the hole bigger for the transdermal delivery to actually work.
Micro-needle technology is one way I have read.
I will say this, I can feel something happening where I put the patch, hard to explain, it feels like the skin IS absorbing something and it is slightly red when I take it off, but htat could be just from the pressureI wish I could get an answer about the delivery technology to overcome the molecular weight discrepancy. I can only guess, the irritation has something to do with that. If you are trying to get something bigger into a smaller hole, you either make it smaller or the hole bigger. Making something smaller destroys it, so they would have to have a way to make the hole bigger for the transdermal delivery to actually work.
Micro-needle technology is one way I have read.
I totally agree here, I do feel something happening underneath the patch as well. When I first put it on, I almost feel like I'm getting itchy underneath because of the sensation, but it seems to subside quickly enough.I will say this, I can feel something happening where I put the patch, hard to explain, it feels like the skin IS absorbing something and it is slightly red when I take it off, but htat could be just from the pressure
I don't think it is placebo, because I have tried lots of different joint supplements/creams/treatments (cupping, massage, injections etc), none of them worked... I even doubted this patch before i got it, really regretted getting it.placebo is a hell of a drug yall.
if the molecule is too heavy to be absorbed transdermally, and it's being applied transdermally...it means the active compound is not doing anything. There is no way around this.I don't think it is placebo, because I have tried lots of different joint supplements/creams/treatments (cupping, massage, injections etc), none of them worked... I even doubted this patch before i got it, really regretted getting it.
When I say my shoulder is ****ed, I mean it is ****ed... so if placebo can magically fix it then I am happy taking this for the placebo benefits lol
Like I said, it may not be bpc, but whatever it is, seems to work
So, there must be something like 'micro needle' technology being used to push the substance into the skin. Making the holes bigger. I'd love to see about getting just one patch to try. Anything really, just to see the technology.If I put two Ageforce patches on near each other on my wrist of my arm as a example it gets tight for 2-3 minutes where I put the patches and it sorta hurts .
You could always try the 30 days pack, it has a 100% money back guarantee I'm pretty sure... placebo or not my shoulder feels great.... as long as it continues to feel this way and its not some other ingredient that is poisoning me or has other side effects, I am ok with WHATever it is lolSo, there must be something like 'micro needle' technology being used to push the substance into the skin. Making the holes bigger. I'd love to see about getting just one patch to try. Anything really, just to see the technology.
How long have you been running this?You could always try the 30 days pack, it has a 100% money back guarantee I'm pretty sure... placebo or not my shoulder feels great.... as long as it continues to feel this way and its not some other ingredient that is poisoning me or has other side effects, I am ok with WHATever it is lol
Something is passing my skin because as I stack patches my forearm starts to hurt badly for several minutsSo, there must be something like 'micro needle' technology being used to push the substance into the skin. Making the holes bigger. I'd love to see about getting just one patch to try. Anything really, just to see the technology.
7 days nowHow long have you been running this?
What are your Thoughts on muscle gelz transdermal, nitra patch Branded patches and many others ?if the molecule is too heavy to be absorbed transdermally, and it's being applied transdermally...it means the active compound is not doing anything. There is no way around this.
That makes me think the following logic is true: If you are unable to reduce the size of the compound you have to make the hole bigger. In this case there are referenced technologies for transdermal delivery that could make this work, such as micro-needles. That would explain the aggravation on the site of the patch...Something is passing my skin because as I stack patches my forearm starts to hurt badly for several minuts
This is what I am thinking, if it were the cause though i dont get why they dont mention it on the website... would give them a lot more credibility....unless they dont want other companies to start doing patches too hahaThat makes me think the following logic is true: If you are unable to reduce the size of the compound you have to make the hole bigger. In this case there are referenced technologies for transdermal delivery that could make this work, such as micro-needles. That would explain the aggravation on the site of the patch...
I don't know how capable that is as it relates to how much can pass.
-M
I'm going to chime in here about Ageforce's HGH PowerPatch®. I double dosed these patches for 2 years straight. I figured results from real HGH would take a while so I gave these patches a nice long run to see what could happen and Id know beyond any doubts whether they worked or not. What I got from them, and felt after a week or so where really good muscle pumps. These pumps continued for the entire length of time I took the patches. I also noticed better recovery. What I did not get was injury healing, fat loss, muscle growth or any enhanced bodily recomp changes that one would expect from taking legit HGH. Sure, I made *some* progress just from working out and feeling a bit of enhanced recovery, but hardly what youd expect from taking HGH.Honestly these patches seem to be working.... my shoulder feels great, not even sore after the workouts just a little bit fatigued... normally it aches a bit and the next day I need to use a tennis ball on it... I can not compare it to injectable BPC because i Have never used it before.... but whatever is in these patches, it is working... now i am considering the HGH one, a lot of negative reviews about that not being real hgh, but then also a lot about it working like hgh, with hgh like benefits lol
Well how did it work?Thanks to ksa0812 for sending me one of his patches to give a try out.
You didn't have to do that, and it's much appreciated.
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I've not used it yet. It's sitting there staring at me. I'm thinking. lol.Well how did it work?
One area that I used to avoid skin irritation was right on the top of the foot. It’s an area where the skin is thin and veiny So if the patch works this would be a good place to use it.I've not used it yet. It's sitting there staring at me. I'm thinking. lol.
This is systemic right so placement doesn't matter?
Any place there is no hair. Softer skin works better as well. Keep us informed of your progress from the patch. Thanks!Does location matter with this product? I got mine in and for past 2 days I applied on my vastus medialis
I'm assuming its because Ageforce markets themselves as a supplement company not a research lab. They cant legally sell certain compounds in other forms but can do these transdermal patches and manipulate around the law.Since they get it for so cheap and sell it for so cheap why not offer an oral option? Seriously on every site it is close to 50 dollars for 5 measly MG.
The skin on your waist is thinner than the skin on your shoulder..wow.So I have been on it for awhile now, I can truly say my injured parts of body feels a lot better despite being sick. A little note though, I started putting patches on my deltoid where I had the torn rotator cuff that gives me grief, after 4 days it was back to hurting a lot when lifting, so I swapped back to putting it on my waist after 3 days it felt fine again... I guess it doesnt work with localized healing/what ever it does. It seems to need to be where the skin is thinnest, go figure lol
It seems to also be at least somewhat effective orally as well, but I suppose you mean IM as opposed to TD, not IM being the only useful delivery method?My wife wore the patch on the inside of her elbow for two days, and felt nothing. I don't know what to say except I don't trust a transdermal that does not employ a delivery system to overcome the physical constraints of what the molecular weight of a compound has and the ability of skin to absorb it.
I love Transdermal Delivery of compounds that have limited bioavailability, or short half lives extending their absorption over time, but this product clearly needs to be delivered by IM for effective use, and at that, over time.
Is that not right? lol It feels that wayThe skin on your waist is thinner than the skin on your shoulder..wow.
Respect :biggthumpup:Is that not right? lol It feels that way
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