my sympathy and condolences to all the injured and their families.
I really believe this is some the media and we as people should be focusing on. Instead of blood gore and fear from all of this instead let us focus on mans amazing strength and perserverence to do good in the midst of all the chaosbig thumbsup to all of the hero's who stayed to help the injured instead of running away!!!! even after the 2nd explosion!!!!
this is what you call 'true grit'.
exactly...i would rather hear stories about people who put the welfare of others above their own personal safety, than interviews with so called experts who really don't have anything pertinent to say.I really believe this is some the media and we as people should be focusing on. Instead of blood gore and fear from all of this instead let us focus on mans amazing strength and perserverence to do good in the midst of all the chaos
1) Not sureok, now that the dust has settled somewhat i am curious about a few things that the media doesn't seem to want to take on.
1st. did anyone refuse to let military dressed armed police search their home?
2nd. what was the action of police if refused entry?
3rd. what if suspected criminal activity was observed outside of the bombing, did the police just pretend not to see it? if guns were found for example...or pot growing in basement....
4th. why haven't the media been asking these questions?
about #4...please tell me you didn't say this isn't an issue...i am 54 and never seen this happen before, at least not here in the u.s.a.1) Not sure
2) If they had probable cause or court order to search the house, (there's a terrorist on the loose..probable cause) then they would have to compelled compliance.
3) It's not a crime in MA to have guns in your house. If pot was growing in a basement and I was legally allowed inside whatever space I was in then that would be considered a plain view discovery and the owner could possibly be held accountable. I know if I were searching for a terrorist, I wouldn't give a ****. Most officers are just like any normal person. There's greater things at stake. There was actually an image of a police officer in a flak jacket and ballistic helmet walking up to a house with 2 gallons of milk because they searched a home with children in it and they were locked down and ran out of milk so the mother asked him to go to the corner store.
4) I don't think the media is bringing up issue because it most likely wasn't an issue.
There could be multiple laws that may cover a citizens rights during a search like that. Who knows. I know a few cops in the area here so I'll ask them and find out.
but the p;oint is the media didn't clarify what was actually happening with those searches, which should have been paramount for a responsible media to do!!! did they have a federal judge sign off on warrants-don't know, the media never said...to suspend constitutional rights is a big thing, and none of the media even discussed this......From my understanding these perimeter searches in the homes were more for the safety of the residents and the surrounding area. I'd imagine they wanted to make sure this guy wasn't holding up in someone's home and threatening to kill them if they move or call the police. I'm sure they initially asked the residence if they mind if they come in and search the house and if someone says no they didn't force their way in, I could be wrong though.
I do see where your coming from bigt and it is quite shocking and intriguing and what could possibly happen next in this circumstance.
There were actually videos/pictures submitted to the local media by homeowners and interviews with some as well. They went to each house asking if they could search (I believe mainly basements that weren't locked) and everyone seemed to be fine with it from what I saw. There was an interview where a guy walked the news crew around telling them everywhere that was searched. I think he said they looked in closets, but didn't open any of his cabinets. I don't know if they had warrants or anything though.but the p;oint is the media didn't clarify what was actually happening with those searches, which should have been paramount for a responsible media to do!!! did they have a federal judge sign off on warrants-don't know, the media never said...to suspend constitutional rights is a big thing, and none of the media even discussed this......
see...that is my point. going house to house conducting searches IS A BIG DEAL!!! why are we left having to guess, isn't that what we have a free press for-to tell us what is happening and to point out possible consequences? i just don't understand why this wasn't discussed more in the media....There were actually videos/pictures submitted to the local media by homeowners and interviews with some as well. They went to each house asking if they could search (I believe mainly basements that weren't locked) and everyone seemed to be fine with it from what I saw. There was an interview where a guy walked the news crew around telling them everywhere that was searched. I think he said they looked in closets, but didn't open any of his cabinets. I don't know if they had warrants or anything though.
I guess I don't see it as a huge deal. There's a terrorist on the loose in the neighborhood. I'd be disappointed if cops didn't search my house.."what if this mf'er is in my basement!"
I don't understand.. what are you suggesting then Tom?
if we give up our rights we will be safe from criminals...police states are as crime free as you can get. all you have to fear is your neighbor telling the govt that you are suspicious and being incarcerated with no protection or rights.I don't understand.. what are you suggesting then Tom?
Nope was a serious question. I am genuinely curious. When the one brother was caught and the other ran the shut down the roads to close off the neighborhood, instituted a 24 he curfew and went door to door asking if they if they seen anything and if they can look around the house. Where is the problem? What would be the alternative to this?Surely you jest. It ain't hard to tell
While I can appreaciate your concern and can see where your coming from, this distopic future you paint for the US, while certainly plausible, is quite a stretch. We are not a third world country and to think something like that will happen here in any sort of immediate timeline is irrational. I would much rather focus on our present then the "what if's" that are the result of a slippery slope logical fallacyif we give up our rights we will be safe from criminals...police states are as crime free as you can get. all you have to fear is your neighbor telling the govt that you are suspicious and being incarcerated with no protection or rights.
freedom comes at a cost!!! how much freedom are we willing to give up? if we give up our freedom that means the terrorists win-actually that is the point of terrorism, to change our way of life, because they are jealous of our freedoms, imo.
what i am suggesting is that the constitution has served us well for over 200 years, i am not going to let fear persuade me that it has outlived it's usefullness. a society needs rules, and to me that includes those who enforce the rules!!!
tell that to paul kurtis and richard jewel.While I can appreaciate your concern and can see where your coming from, this distopic future you paint for the US, while certainly plausible, is quite a stretch. We are not a third world country and to think something like that will happen here in any sort of immediate timeline is irrational. I would much rather focus on our present then the "what if's" that are the result of a slippery slope logical fallacy
Nope was a serious question. I am genuinely curious. When the one brother was caught and the other ran the shut down the roads to close off the neighborhood, instituted a 24 he curfew and went door to door asking if they if they seen anything and if they can look around the house. Where is the problem? What would be the alternative to this?
to my mind there is to much turning a blind eye to the constitution in general of latetell that to paul kurtis and richard jewel.
josh we HAVE to think of the what if's, turning a blind eye is the same as giving permission, imo.
Lets see, Angelina Jolie had her breasts replaced, Princess Harry came to the US to check out the devastation of Hurricane Sandy, and the weather channel said its going to be 67 today, but it was only 64.if you have watched even 1 hour of news in the last 2 weeks it should be apparent that our constitutional rights are under attack.....this is only the tip of things to come, imo. wow, what is happening here????
as sgt shultz would say....i know nothing!!!!
the obama legacy....Lets see, Angelina Jolie had her breasts replaced, Princess Harry came to the US to check out the devastation of Hurricane Sandy, and the weather channel said its going to be 67 today, but it was only 64.
I know nothing!
The other day, Obama for whatever reason read off his teleprompter and urged a graduating Ohio State class to “reject” warnings about government “tyranny” and to place more trust in the state.the obama legacy....
I KNOW NOTHING!!!
A little late to the party...but actually in instances they were forcibly going door to door and forcing the families to exit their homes by gunpoint and even forced to run down the street. All this without a warrant.Nope was a serious question. I am genuinely curious. When the one brother was caught and the other ran the shut down the roads to close off the neighborhood, instituted a 24 he curfew and went door to door asking if they if they seen anything and if they can look around the house. Where is the problem? What would be the alternative to this?
and the press never even reported this....in my neighborhood with dogs and motion sensors and everyone owning guns, he never would have made it to that boat. i would like to see the mayor of gary or chicago tell citizens to stay in their house and hide, lol. i bet the good citizens of chicago would have hunted those 2 down.A little late to the party...but actually they were going door to door and forcing the families to exit their homes by gunpoint and even forced to run down the street.
To me, and Ill be genuinely honest...this is how I felt VVVand the press never even reported this....in my neighborhood with dogs and motion sensors and everyone owning guns, he never would have made it to that boat. i would like to see the mayor of gary or chicago tell citizens to stay in their house and hide, lol. i bet the good citizens of chicago would have hunted those 2 down.
stay in your house and hide, lol.......
“The Boston bombing provided the opportunity for the government to turn what should have been a police investigation into a military-style occupation of an American city, This unprecedented move should frighten us as much or more than the attack itself.”
”Force lockdown of a city. Militarized police riding tanks in the streets. Door-to-door armed searches without warrant. Families thrown out of their homes at gunpoint to be searched without probable cause. Businesses forced to close. Transport shut down.”
& in an emergency a vicious attack dogaranoid:onder:the police are reactive, by the time they show up someone is already a victim....this is why i own MANY fireams.
Unless the weather is bad during an emergency, good luck trying to find help.& in an emergency a vicious attack dogaranoid:onder:
my dog sid is more of an early warning alert....if he lets me know someone is there, i will take it from there!!!& in an emergency a vicious attack dogaranoid:onder:
indeed...i saw this coming, after the boston bombings freedom and constitutional rights are really taking a hit!!!very sad man
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