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Blood Pressure & Prohoromones

size said:
How do most of you take your blood pressure? Do you take a reading after sitting and relaxing for 10-20minutes? Or do you just take it when you remember, like in the market?
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I take mine in the morning before work gets busy and try to relax for a few minutes before hand. First thing in the morning right out of bed is the most accurate but not always possible.

Personally, I don't find a big dif. in readings in regards to busy or relaxed for my BP, maybe up or down a few points. Only my heart rate changes depending on the circumstances
 
i take mine at different times morn./noon/night sometimes relaxed...but i dont buy into that relaxed stuff because im not sitting relaxed all day and i want to know that my walkng/working...ect. bp is good.because if your bp is high all day but low when you relax , what good is that ?
besides when you go to the doc and the nurse checks it she does it right away , you dont get time to relax
 
waterlogged- I think the idea is that the BP guidelines are based on readings when relaxed. They're already accounting for what you said and are trying to eliminate external factors when taking a measurement.
 
size said:
Ryansm....please post what the physician tells you in regards to new blood pressure standards.
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It seems he was referring to a new standard that was set in 2003:
The New Classification




In May 2003, the Joint National Committee on Prevention, Detection, Evaluation and Treatment of High Blood Pressure (JNC) defined the following categories for blood pressure, based on extensive reviews of scientific literature. The figures are updated periodically to keep pace with new research.

The biggest change is the addition of a new category called prehypertension, which identifies people at higher risk for high blood pressure, Invalid Link Removed disease and stroke.

CategorySystolic Blood
Pressure (mm Hg) Diastolic Blood
Pressure (mm Hg)Normal: Less than 120 and Less than 80, Prehypertension:120-139 or 80-89, Hypertension Stage 1:140-159 or 90-99, Stage 2: 160 or higher or 100 or higher.

So a new category was set called Prehypertension which was not listed before. Either way it's now suggested that a normal BP be listed at 120 or below systolic, and 80 and below for diastolic.
Sorry for the confusion.
 
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Call me a cynic,

"Pre" classification of ailments sounds like another method to up revenue, more pills, treatments, etc; a cradle to grave flow of treatment and rarely a cure, no $ and control in that.
 
Rogue Drone said:
Call me a cynic,

"Pre" classification of ailments sounds like another method to up revenue, more pills, treatments, etc; a cradle to grave flow of treatment and rarely a cure, no $ and control in that.
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I call you not only a cynic but an incurable Nerf Herder! :cheers: It's all about revenue I guess. I find it disheartening.
 
So do I...Everywhere you turn there is a pharmeceutical company pushing some miracle drug that you need to 'ask your Dr. about'.

These 'pre-hypertensive' stages could easily be treated with inexpensive natural products and/or lifestyle change, but instead you'll have to spend $50 a month on pills to avoid some ficticious impending doom.

Its really pathetic.

BV
 
Rogue Drone said:
Call me a cynic,

"Pre" classification of ailments sounds like another method to up revenue, more pills, treatments, etc; a cradle to grave flow of treatment and rarely a cure, no $ and control in that.
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I absolutely agree. Just another way to increase revenue.
 
this exact thoughti had the same as DR. D,BIG V. and ROGUE ,when they lowered the standard , i thought that there was a certain amount of people on pharmacueticals already ,now they can sell more since now they have expanded the market............... :think:
 
These 'pre-hypertensive' stages could easily be treated with inexpensive natural products and/or lifestyle change, but instead you'll have to spend $50 a month on pills to avoid some ficticious impending doom.
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I agree with your overall statement, but I don't think it's the cost. With my health insurance, prescriptions would be a cheaper out-of-pocket expense than celery seed extract and so on.
 
I started celery seed extract about 10 days ago. I've noticed about a 10% drop in my average systolic, but... I also think this drop is bigger when measured near the time of my dosing. I was taking 300mg every 12 hours as instructed. I'm not sure if the effect really lasts 12 hours though. Has anyone else noticed this? I was thinking of trying 150 or 300mg every 8 hours, but it could get expensive.
 
You guys should note your pulse rates too. The BP can be taken out of context w/out it, so it's good info to include. :)
 
I record BP, HR and peak airflow also. I'm really monitoring BP as it relates to asthma & albuterol.
 
Wookie have you started the conditioning yet? Those numbers are still high, I really hope you can get them down.
 
Well I started to work out again. This past weekend and week have been my first shot at seriously starting to lift again. I've only done cardio once :( .
Plus sleep has been lacking this week due to work :(
 
Your Systolic looks nice, but the diastolic well is just not. The best way to optimize this is through cardio.

Keep it low and slow, and for 45-60 minutes, and shoot for 4-6 days a week.
 
question....you guys think it would be ok to lay off of the meds, just to see how the bp will react w\o the meds?
 
w00kie...please take care of your heart and BP first before you do any PH's or supps that will increase BP. I've been in this game for a long time and I've seen several people die of heart problems at a very young age. You have some of the best caring advice in this forum...light cardio, hawhorne, celery seed, etc. ..I would also add breathing exercises and meditation.

Regards,
Storm
 
No ph's for me until I find out what the hell is wrong. I'm just confused about why my bp is so damn high. I've asked my doc to send me to a specialist, but he said that wasn't needed. All he told me to do is lay off of the protein.
 
ryansm said:
Get another doc.
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Agreed! Remember, they work for you, so your the boss!! If he's not doing his job, fire his ass and replace him. Your heart is on the line here.

I recommend clonidine, it's strong and clean with BB benefits too, but at least try to avoid beta-blockers if at all possible. Try these herbal/natural things first and take a fat dose of daily potassium for sure.
 
garyd85gt said:
mine is always 140-150/90 and the doctor doesn't seem to care!! I would love to have 118/82!!!
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That's because your technically still in the safe range. Some doctors just can't think outside the box, and it's to protect you really, but can hurt you too if the doc is to much "by the books" Until it exceeds 160, he probably won't care. I hate to suggest it, but you could always artificially elevate your BP with a sympathomimetic (like epherdrine) before your next appointment to gain those extra 10 points and get his attention. :run:
 
DR.D said:
That's because your technically still in the safe range. Some doctors just can't think outside the box, and it's to protect you really, but can hurt you too if the doc is to much "by the books" Until it exceeds 160, he probably won't care. I hate to suggest it, but you could always artificially elevate your BP with a sympathomimetic (like epherdrine) before your next appointment to gain those extra 10 points and get his attention. :run:
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I thought that the "new book" studies show that you increase your risk of heart disease by a multiple of "2" for each 10 points over 120 (systolic).

120-130 twice the of heart disease
130-140 4 times the risk
140-150 8 times the risk
150-160 16 times the risk.
160-170 32 times...and so on
 
I hope that u r wrong about the systolic info. SJA, mine is routinely 140-160 when I take it at work, with a diastolic of around 80, anyone know why the systolic is in the high range and diastolic is o.k.
 
It's not OK with the diastolic either. The guidelines are subject to opinion, but 160/90 is the max usually before a doc will Rx for it, that's what my point is.
 
I haven't had my bp checked in a while. The next time I get a chance will probably be after memorial day. The Celery seed, garlic, and hawthorn berry seem to be doing the trick. They seem to work better than Benicar did....
 
120-130 twice the of heart disease
130-140 4 times the risk
140-150 8 times the risk
150-160 16 times the risk.
160-170 32 times...and so on
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While Im definitely an advocate of health and safety first (check by BP every month religiously!:)) I think a lot of the 'new' guidelines set with one of the primary intentions being to promote more sales of BP lowering medications.

My cynical views aside - a diastolic of 90 IS too high. Definitely Hypertensive. You should get that down ASAP bro. Not only in anticipation of any anabolic cycles you might do - but when you train heavy you put your cardiovascular system under a lot of strain. If your BP is high already, imagine what it is when youre comming out of the hole with few hundred pounds on your back!

BV
 
try dandelion leaf extract as it is a diuretic and will inc urinary output while lowering bp. you could also add garlic pills
 
Mine is normally 130 / 70 but it was 150 / 70 last time I got it read, which was a few weeks out from ending Superdrol. My disastolic is always around 70 but I've had my systolic quite high in the past when I was overweight. Wonder why that is?
 
BigVrunga said:
While Im definitely an advocate of health and safety first (check by BP every month religiously!:)) I think a lot of the 'new' guidelines set with one of the primary intentions being to promote more sales of BP lowering medications.

My cynical views aside - a diastolic of 90 IS too high. Definitely Hypertensive. You should get that down ASAP bro. Not only in anticipation of any anabolic cycles you might do - but when you train heavy you put your cardiovascular system under a lot of strain. If your BP is high already, imagine what it is when youre comming out of the hole with few hundred pounds on your back!

BV
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Very good point.
 
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