Black Ginger 5,7 Dimethoxyflavone

3ChainedAminos

3ChainedAminos

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Looking for stand alone black ginger with a high % 5,7 dinethoxyflavone content. The best I’ve found is Nootropics Depot with 200mg with 10%. The next best I found was life extension with 100mg at 7.5%. Has anyone seen comparable or better for stand alone Black Ginger?
 
3ChainedAminos said:
Looking for stand alone black ginger with a high % 5,7 dinethoxyflavone content. The best I’ve found is Nootropics Depot with 200mg with 10%. The next best I found was life extension with 100mg at 7.5%. Has anyone seen comparable or better for stand alone Black Ginger?
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We use a min. of 7.5% in Anabolic XT. It's actually a 10%, but we go with a min. 7.5% for labeling purposes because there have been times in the past where 10% simply isn't available - so if you say min. 7.5%, then 10% is covered but if you say 10%, then 7.5% wouldn't be. I hope that makes sense.

If you find one claiming above 10%, I would have a hard time believing it bc I've never seen a raw test out over 10.4% via HPLC.

You have some herbal brands that are known for claiming falsely high percentages of things, and the trick is they're testing via UV rather than HPLC. I explained the differences in detail in the ProtoTest XT thread. In that thread, I'm discussing it related to protodioscin, but the same thing can be applied to 5,7-dimethoxy or various other herbal constituents.

Here's a link - it's discussed in the write up portion in post #1 - https://anabolicminds.com/community...tosterone-libido-support.339112/#post-6844225
 
sns8778 said:
We use a min. of 7.5% in Anabolic XT. It's actually a 10%, but we go with a min. 7.5% for labeling purposes because there have been times in the past where 10% simply isn't available - so if you say min. 7.5%, then 10% is covered but if you say 10%, then 7.5% wouldn't be. I hope that makes sense.

If you find one claiming above 10%, I would have a hard time believing it bc I've never seen a raw test out over 10.4% via HPLC.

You have some herbal brands that are known for claiming falsely high percentages of things, and the trick is they're testing via UV rather than HPLC. I explained the differences in detail in the ProtoTest XT thread. In that thread, I'm discussing it related to protodioscin, but the same thing can be applied to 5,7-dimethoxy or various other herbal constituents.

Here's a link - it's discussed in the write up portion in post #1 - https://anabolicminds.com/community...tosterone-libido-support.339112/#post-6844225
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Good to know, yeah I saw that in anabolic xt and like that addition, but I’m looking for a stand alone Black Ginger extract. I want to run it alone at a higher dose, That’s why I was thinking Nootropic depots was the best choice, but I don’t know which method they use to test their extract. So I’ll definitely have to check which methods of testing are used before I commit to one.
 
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Black Ginger (Kaempferia parviflora): The Energetic Extract in EndoFlo

Black Ginger enhances physical performance and blood flow while supporting energy production and metabolism. Learn how this Thai herb powers EndoFlo's benefits.
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Literally craziest timing ever, price plow made an article today after my post asking about black ginger. Here is the article for anyone else interested. Maybe supplement companies will look more into stand alone black Ginger.
 
3ChainedAminos said:
Looks cool, but Doesn’t give you the 5, 7 Dimethoxyflavone yield, so most likely low to none.
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Exactly, the only other black ginger supplement that you didn't name and is worth while is anabolic xt but its not a standalone one. If you just want it alone go with the nootropics depot one, I believe it has a higher dose than the amount in anabolic xt, but why not just spend a bit more money and buy anabolic xt which will also give you many more ingredients?
 
Shadowblaze said:
Exactly, the only other black ginger supplement that you didn't name and is worth while is anabolic xt but it’s not a standalone one. If you just want it alone go with the nootropics depot one, I believe it has a higher dose than the amount in anabolic xt, but why not just spend a bit more money and buy anabolic xt which will also give you many more ingredients?
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I was only naming stand alones that show exact dosages. I want to experiment with higher doses, so I want an extract with a high % yield of the 5, 7 Dimethoxyflavone. Also so I know how much I’m actually taking so I can more accurately log effects and results.
 
3ChainedAminos said:
I was only naming stand alones that show exact dosages. I want to experiment with higher doses, so I want an extract with a high % yield of the 5, 7 Dimethoxyflavone. Also so I know how much I’m actually taking so I can more accurately log effects and results.
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That was exactly my problem when looking for standalone euccommia ulmoides products, almost impossible to find a good one. I would go with nootropics depot in your situation.
 
Shadowblaze said:
That was exactly my problem when looking for standalone euccommia ulmoides products, almost impossible to find a good one. I would go with nootropics depot in your situation.
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Did you end up finding any quality stand alone euccommia ulmoides?
 
Ziyo said:
Until and if SNS comes out with one, I would go with Nootropics Depot.
Very reputable also.
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It is a highly touted, well respected, and almost cult, supplement. I wonder if there is enough demand for Steve to consider this as a stand alone product?
 
3ChainedAminos said:
blog.priceplow.com

Black Ginger (Kaempferia parviflora): The Energetic Extract in EndoFlo

Black Ginger enhances physical performance and blood flow while supporting energy production and metabolism. Learn how this Thai herb powers EndoFlo's benefits.
blog.priceplow.com

Literally craziest timing ever, price plow made an article today after my post asking about black ginger. Here is the article for anyone else interested. Maybe supplement companies will look more into stand alone black Ginger.
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The Price Plow article is discussing it as a component in Aura Scientific's EndoFlo ingredient, not so much for use as a stand alone, but still good info. EndoFlo is a very specific combination of extracts from 4 different constituents.

This article goes into more depth on EndoFlo itself and the ingredient breakdown: https://blog.priceplow.com/supplement-news/sns-endoflo-xt

Here's the EndoFlo XT write up, where I went into detail on the different ones, including Black Ginger: https://seriousnutritionsolutions.com/product/endoflo-xt/

Here's the EndoFlo XT discussion and feedback thread link: https://anabolicminds.com/community...ance-blood-flow-erection-quality-more.338969/
 
We will be doing a Black Ginger product at some point this year. The labels are made and everything, there's just quite a bit of things in front of it and its one that I want to offer, but there's not a lot of demand for, which is why you don't see a lot of other companies offer one.
 
Beau said:
It is a highly touted, well respected, and almost cult, supplement. I wonder if there is enough demand for Steve to consider this as a stand alone product?
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Ha. I posted my reply around the same time that you posted this.

We will be doing one, the labels are made and everything. There's just a lot of things in front of it priority wise because there's really not much demand for a single ingredient Black Ginger. And a lot of the people looking for it don't know or understand the difference in the purities and active constituents, so they're just going to buy the cheapest one to begin with and a real 10% via HPLC costs more to make than some of the cheap non-standardized ones sell for.

Guarantee you - whenever we do launch it, you'll have people in the thread - but company such and such sells a bulk bag for 15.00 or a particular company that tests by UV that has next to nothing in theirs sells for less than 25.00 - which is a big part of why I've lost my passion and desire for doing basic single ingredients.
 
sns8778 said:
Ha. I posted my reply around the same time that you posted this.

We will be doing one, the labels are made and everything. There's just a lot of things in front of it priority wise because there's really not much demand for a single ingredient Black Ginger. And a lot of the people looking for it don't know or understand the difference in the purities and active constituents, so they're just going to buy the cheapest one to begin with and a real 10% via HPLC costs more to make than some of the cheap non-standardized ones sell for.

Guarantee you - whenever we do launch it, you'll have people in the thread - but company such and such sells a bulk bag for 15.00 or a particular company that tests by UV that has next to nothing in theirs sells for less than 25.00 - which is a big part of why I've lost my passion and desire for doing basic single ingredients.
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Dibs on being a product tester .....
 
sns8778 said:
Ha. I posted my reply around the same time that you posted this.

We will be doing one, the labels are made and everything. There's just a lot of things in front of it priority wise because there's really not much demand for a single ingredient Black Ginger. And a lot of the people looking for it don't know or understand the difference in the purities and active constituents, so they're just going to buy the cheapest one to begin with and a real 10% via HPLC costs more to make than some of the cheap non-standardized ones sell for.

Guarantee you - whenever we do launch it, you'll have people in the thread - but company such and such sells a bulk bag for 15.00 or a particular company that tests by UV that has next to nothing in theirs sells for less than 25.00 - which is a big part of why I've lost my passion and desire for doing basic single ingredients.
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That’s fine, I’m patient af lol. But I do think nootropics depot does the HPLC test, but the spec sheet is kinda foreign to me, that’s the kinda stuff I’m trying to learn. But I wouldn’t let those people damper your passion, they can either learn the extracts for what they are or move on, plus I feel like your target audience is smarter than those people.
 
3ChainedAminos said:
That’s fine, I’m patient af lol. But I do think nootropics depot does the HPLC test, but the spec sheet is kinda foreign to me, that’s the kinda stuff I’m trying to learn. But I wouldn’t let those people damper your passion, they can either learn the extracts for what they are or move on, plus I feel like your target audience is smarter than those people.
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I try to not comment on other companies and their products; and my statement had nothing to do with them.

A lot of companies do that with herbal ingredients in general, one particular one who I can't stand bc I think its just unethical and shady as heck, but its not anyone that's been mentioned in this thread.

If you think about it from a company standpoint, it's easy to see why it can dampen enthusiasm because you pay a lot of money to make a product the write way and use the correct percentages and pay for the proper testing methods - and then someone who doesn't know what the heck they're talking about starts complaining about 'well so and so has it cheaper' so everyone goes and buys that one. And as a company owners, you're sitting and thinking 'well no ****, of course its cheaper bc some jackass is bagging useless raw powder in a mylar bag in his garage or some brand is using the base herb powder that costs 10.00 a kg. when what you're using costs 400.00 per kg.
 
Ziyo said:
Did you end up finding any quality stand alone euccommia ulmoides?
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blackstone labs are the only other ones that make a good standalone euccommia high potency extract. I dug deep in the internet and could hardly find anything else. There is a website called toki botanicals that sells a high potency extract but honestly I don't trust that website, I emailed them and they never got back to me.
 
sns8778 said:
I try to not comment on other companies and their products; and my statement had nothing to do with them.

A lot of companies do that with herbal ingredients in general, one particular one who I can't stand bc I think its just unethical and shady as heck, but its not anyone that's been mentioned in this thread.

If you think about it from a company standpoint, it's easy to see why it can dampen enthusiasm because you pay a lot of money to make a product the write way and use the correct percentages and pay for the proper testing methods - and then someone who doesn't know what the heck they're talking about starts complaining about 'well so and so has it cheaper' so everyone goes and buys that one. And as a company owners, you're sitting and thinking 'well no ****, of course its cheaper bc some jackass is bagging useless raw powder in a mylar bag in his garage or some brand is using the base herb powder that costs 10.00 a kg. when what you're using costs 400.00 per kg.
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oh Gotchya, I thought you may have been hinting that they do the UV testing and I wanted to make sure, because if a company is doing a testing method the wrong way with intentions of misleading, that’s an automatic blacklist for me. As far as seeing it through your perspective, it’s hard because I simply don’t know, but you pointing that out makes me probably think it’s HARD af to run and make supplements. Everyone is a genius/Doctor now, and even if they aren’t an expert on the area, they will go look it up for 5 minutes, rehearse some crap, and then come comment what they read. All while you spent the lasts couple months putting all your effort into this exact thing. It seems like a thankless job, because anything to do with customers and customer service is absolutely brutal.
 
Shadowblaze said:
blackstone labs are the only other ones that make a good standalone euccommia high potency extract. I dug deep in the internet and could hardly find anything else. There is a website called toki botanicals that sells a high potency extract but honestly I don't trust that website, I emailed them and they never got back to me.
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Yeah, and theirs is almost as expensive for the one ingredient as you can get Anabolic XT for and it has so many more ingredients in it.
 
sns8778 said:
Yeah, and theirs is almost as expensive for the one ingredient as you can get Anabolic XT for and it has so many more ingredients in it.
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Exactly, thats why its not really worth it to buy blackstones product. I still have my fingers crossed one day you will make a Eucommia xt.
 
Shadowblaze said:
Exactly, thats why its not really worth it to buy blackstones product. I still have my fingers crossed one day you will make a Eucommia xt.
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We would have to have a lot of demand on it to do that bc if not, its just not worth it - not meaning on our end to make it, but on your end to buy it.

Even though Anabolic XT is around a 50.00 product we load it with so many ingredients that its still low margin for us - which means that if we did a standalone Eucommia, it wouldn't be substantially less. Of course it would be less than theirs, but I could never tell anyone in good faith that they should buy a Eucommia for 30'ish when they can get that plus a lot more for just a little more money.

There's the side of me that always wants to be able to offer everything that anyone says that they want, but I've really hurt the company financially over the years sometimes by doing that bc there have been some things that people would ask for that just didn't sell. This even applies to me personally - there are several ingredients I love and want a single ingredient version to use personally of things that just aren't out there at legit quality and I have to remind myself a lot that its not about just what I want, if it doesn't sell, it doesn't make sense to do haha.
 
Shadowblaze said:
blackstone labs are the only other ones that make a good standalone euccommia high potency extract. I dug deep in the internet and could hardly find anything else. There is a website called toki botanicals that sells a high potency extract but honestly I don't trust that website, I emailed them and they never got back to me.
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I see..
I just personally think Blackstone labs are a bit over priced..
Never the less, I would love if SNS released both black ginger and euccommia as standalones.
 
ELROCK said:
I enjoy the nootropics depot stand alone black ginger.
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Nice to hear, I ordered mine early because I only take one other thing from ND, so figured I’d get it while I’m there. won’t be taking it for about another 3 weeks. What dose are you taking it at?
 
For me personally black ginger from ND is difficult to take more than 3 times per week at one pill.More than that makes me irritable and affects negatively my sleep.Regarding benefits only some thermogenesis and nothing else.
On the other hand with Anabolic XT which has black ginger in never faced respective negatives, only the known in this site benefits.
In general I purchase and respect ND as a company but this product was a dissapointment.
 
ride1979 said:
For me personally black ginger from ND is difficult to take more than 3 times per week at one pill.More than that makes me irritable and affects negatively my sleep.Regarding benefits only some thermogenesis and nothing else.
On the other hand with Anabolic XT which has black ginger in never faced respective negatives, only the known in this site benefits.
In general I purchase and respect ND as a company but this product was a dissapointment.
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Interesting effects you got from Black Ginger, I’ll start taking it in 3ish weeks, so I’ll for sure let anyone know if i experience anything negative, but I’ve taken a supplement with black ginger before, I’m on it now, and have taken it around 8pm multiple times with zero sleep issues. But this supplement also doesn’t label how much, so it could be a super small dose and not enough to cause the effect. Shoot id buy the rest of yours if I didn’t already order mine lol.
 
DaveMcNaul said:
I tried 100 mg pre workout and my heart rate was a little high, nothing pleasant to be honest.

Anyone else?
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Completely forgot to give an update like I promised lol, been taking black ginger for about 23 days, dosed twice a day, 1 preworkout (430-5am) and another around noon (sometimes 2nd dose is at about 7 to 8pm for pre bedtime activities lol) so 400mg total . Bumped up to 2 in the morning preworkout and 1 at noon about a week in, for a total of 600mg. No side effects or stimulation, only thing I’ve really noticed is stronger erections. As far as pre workout, no noticeable gym difference. I’m very sensitive to stimulants now, so I was actually hoping for some stimulation like others have gotten. I have a 180 count so I still have a lot left, will try and remember to give an update of final thoughts at the end.
 
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