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BIGGER, FASTER, STRONGER: Snag's Recipe for a [NATURAL] Recomp, Competition Style!

I've considered getting an elliptical & working out in front of the TV; then I realized I can bring the TV to my elliptical in the form of an iPod Video :) Watched many episodes & movies in this way. I usually just read the Economist or read a book while on the elliptical; my arms and feet move automatically. During Christmas break I tried doing a home HIIT circuit while watching TV (Burpees, Pushups, etc.)- useless, missed the whole damn movie lol.

That's where mine is right in my living room so I can watch while I do my cardio. I have discovered a secret to take your mind off cardio while your doing it....


Porn!! :head:
 
LOL you guys gave me the image of the wives bent over in fron t of the treadmill for 30 min saying its yours if you can catch me..lol
 
Day #12 Abs/Cardio

Fasted-state.
30 minutes treadmill (15min. MIIT/15min. steady-state).

Follow with Pslin 15min later, 60g carb breakfast 15min after that. No Anabolic Switch or Plasmavol this day. So, 1/3 of actual carb consumption for day after training..

Zoned out to some Sportscenter..not too bad I guess. The sweat was pretty profuse, that's the bottom line. Thermogenesis has taken an uptick.
 
I should mention: eliminating Anabolic Switch and Nitro-E8 in this format, does not change my total BCAA consumption for this period.. I shift around & increase BCAA/leucine intake to match targeted 35g consumption.. the principle doesn't change.

I will only utilize Pslin following fasted-training formats and larger carb-load days for the duration of this cycle..
 
Some questions my friend, and solver of riddles.


Please tell me your view of anabolic switch, is it really as good as the hype? And plasmavol, i was just thinking if your using them, maybe i should consider them, thanks in advance, Russian
 
Finallllly caught up on your log!! This place really blew up in the last 2 weeks! Lots and lots of good info in here! Gettn lots of ideas for the near future! You've made amazing results over the years Snag! You are a huge inspiration man! Keep rockn this ish Chef SnagPriest! :box:
 
Some questions my friend, and solver of riddles.


Please tell me your view of anabolic switch, is it really as good as the hype? And plasmavol, i was just thinking if your using them, maybe i should consider them, thanks in advance, Russian

Hahaaa..'solver of riddles'?? You're funny Russian! :cool:

I really like the Anabolic Switch, think it's a quality product.
(Did you miss my review?) I've even gotten used to the malto included in it, and view it as not a bad thing at this point in the process..

However.. I think, if you have to pay retail (here I mean GNC) for it, it's ridiculously overpriced. There are other avenues to go..
Even at online pricing, if you use it at recommended dosage, it is overpriced. In actuality, I don't think it should be used at recommended dosage at all. There are better things to use preworkout, and I don't think it should be used on off days at all..
The way I use it, imo, is perfect. In this fashion, 1 serving after training, on training days only, at online pricing, it becomes quite a good deal & ideal product.

I'm digging the Plasmavol immensely. Much preferable to your typical N.O.-type product. I'm very partial to glycerol, and Mannitol seems to be the real deal.

Both these products will go by the wayside at some point in this thread. I'll need to make dietary & supp changes at certain points, and these will be cut at that time. But for now.. love 'em!
 
Finallllly caught up on your log!! This place really blew up in the last 2 weeks! Lots and lots of good info in here! Gettn lots of ideas for the near future! You've made amazing results over the years Snag! You are a huge inspiration man! Keep rockn this ish Chef SnagPriest! :box:

Thanks Rob. Good to see ya around!
 
Hmm.. 5 hrs. sleep for the second night in a row. Good, solid sleep, but when I wake up to pee at the 5 hr. mark, I'm amped and wide awake. Oh well, I like being up early..

Cyclone Snag is spinning in for some serious cataclysmic damage here in a few.. I'm PUMPED! Ready to rock some chest action this morning, YEAH!! :woohoo:
 
Day #13 Chest/Shoulders/Abs

Mind-muscle connection was extremely strong today, focus intense, energy off the charts - despite my lack of sleep last 2 nights. Weights just keep on feeling lighter..

So leading off, stayed with 100lb. DB inclines for my 4 sets.. here's the progression:

Last week: 4x12, struggled with last rep on last set

This week: 4x13, last rep on last set still an effort, but not near the struggle as last week's 12 on last set..

Only change in exercises was swapping out flat BB benches for DB decline benches, same reps.

Great session..profuse sweat..put it in the books.


I know it's chest day, but wife snapped a pick of the back before I started working out this morning, liking the progress here..
 

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Randomness..

Some interesting recipes (dieting doesn't have to be boring at all)..

Chicken Breasts with Mushroom Cream Sauce
The secret to a good cream sauce is always the same: Limit the cream to avoid overpowering more delicate flavors. This recipe contains a bountiful amount of mushrooms served over chicken breasts.


Serves: 2
Preparation time: 30 minutes


Ingredients
2 5-ounce boneless, skinless chicken breasts, trimmed and tenders removed
1/2 teaspoon freshly ground pepper
1/4 teaspoon salt
1 tablespoon canola oil
1 medium shallot, minced
1 cup thinly sliced shiitake mushroom caps
2 tablespoons dry vermouth or dry white wine
1/4 cup reduced-sodium chicken broth
2 tablespoons heavy cream
2 tablespoons minced fresh chives or scallion greens


Preparation
1. Season chicken with pepper and salt on both sides.


2. Heat oil in a medium skillet over medium heat. Add the chicken and cook, turning once or twice and adjusting the heat to prevent burning, until brown and an instant-read thermometer inserted into the thickest part registers 165°F, 12 to 16 minutes. Transfer to a plate and tent with foil to keep warm.


3. Add shallot to the pan and cook, stirring, until fragrant, about 30 seconds. Add mushrooms; cook, stirring occasionally, until tender, about 2 minutes.


4. Pour in vermouth (or wine); simmer until almost evaporated, scraping up any browned bits, about 1 minute. Pour in broth and cook until reduced by half, 1 to 2 minutes.


5. Stir in cream and chives (or scallions); return to a simmer.


6. Return the chicken to the pan, turn to coat with sauce and cook until heated through, about 1 minute.


Enjoy!


Nutrition Facts
Per serving:
275 calories
15 g fat (5 g sat, 7 g mono)
84 mg cholesterol
5 g carbohydrates
25 g protein
1 g fiber
373 mg sodium
370 mg potassium


Nutritional bonus: selenium (34% Daily Value)

Warm Chicken Sausage & Potato Salad
This warm bistro-style salad is perfect on a chilly winter's night. Or share it with guests at your next dinner party.


Serves: 6
Preparation time: 30 minutes


Ingredients
1 pound small potatoes cut in half
1 5-ounce bag arugula (about 4 cups, gently packed)
12 ounces precooked chicken sausage cut crosswise into 1/2-inch pieces
1/3 cup cider vinegar
1 tablespoon maple syrup
1 tablespoon whole-grain or Dijon mustard
1 tablespoon extra-virgin olive oil
Freshly ground pepper to taste


Preparation
1. Bring 1 inch of water to a boil in a Dutch oven. Place potatoes in a steamer basket and steam, covered, until just cooked through, about 15 minutes. Transfer to a large bowl and add arugula; cover with foil to keep warm.


2. Cook sausage in a medium skillet over medium heat, stirring often, until browned and heated through, about 5 minutes. Add to the potato-arugula mixture.


3. Remove the pan from the heat and whisk in vinegar, maple syrup and mustard, scraping up any browned bits. Gradually whisk in oil. Pour the dressing over the salad and toss until the arugula is wilted. Season with pepper.


Enjoy!


Nutrition Facts
Per serving:
258 calories
9 g fat (1 g sat, 3 g mono)
60 mg cholesterol
27 g carbohydrates
15 g protein
2 g fiber
483 mg sodium
103 mg potassium


Nutritional bonus: vitamin C (45% Daily Value)

Apple & Fennel Roasted Pork Tenderloin
Roasted apples, fennel and red onion are the perfect foil to roasted pork tenderloin.


Serves: 4
Preparation time: 45 minutes


Ingredients
2 large sweet-tart apples, such as Fuji or Braeburn, sliced
1 large bulb fennel, trimmed, cored and thinly sliced, plus 1 tablespoon chopped fronds for garnish
1 large red onion, sliced
1 tablespoon plus 2 teaspoons canola oil, divided
1 pound pork tenderloin, trimmed
1 teaspoon kosher salt
1/4 teaspoon freshly ground pepper
3 tablespoons cider vinegar


Preparation
1. Position racks in upper and lower thirds of oven; preheat to 475°F.


2. Toss apples, sliced fennel and onion with 1 tablespoon oil in a large bowl. Spread out on a rimmed baking sheet. Roast on the lower oven rack, stirring twice, until tender and golden, 30 to 35 minutes.


3. About 10 minutes after the apple mixture goes into the oven, sprinkle pork with salt and pepper. Heat the remaining 2 teaspoons oil in a large ovenproof skillet over medium-high heat. Sear the pork on one side, about 2 minutes. Turn the pork over and transfer the pan to the top oven rack. Roast until just barely pink in the center and an instant-read thermometer registers 145°F, 12 to 14 minutes.


4. Transfer the pork to a cutting board and let rest for 5 minutes. Immediately stir vinegar into the pan (be careful, the handle will be hot), scraping up any browned bits, then add to the apple mixture. Thinly slice the pork; serve with the apple mixture and sprinkle with fennel fronds.


Enjoy!


Nutrition Facts
Per serving:
279 calories
10 g fat (2 g sat, 5 g mono)
74 mg cholesterol
23 g carbohydrates
25 g protein
5 g fiber
371 mg sodium
837 mg potassium


Nutritional bonus: selenium (47% Daily Value), vitamin C (25% DV), potassium (24% DV), zinc (20% DV)

Coffee-Braised Pot Roast with Caramelized Onions
This recipe is reminiscent of a pot roast made with onion-soup mix, but you won’t miss the excess sodium. Although it’s not the leanest cut of beef, chuck is still our choice for pot roast because it doesn't dry out during braising. You’ll find pockets of fat as you carve it, but they are easy to remove.


Serves: 10
Preparation time: 3 1/4 hours


Ingredients
1 4-pound beef chuck roast, trimmed of fat
1/2 teaspoon salt, or to taste
Freshly ground pepper to taste
4 teaspoons extra-virgin olive oil, divided
2 large onions, halved and thinly sliced (4 cups)
4 cloves garlic, minced
1 teaspoon dried thyme
3/4 cup strong brewed coffee
2 tablespoons balsamic vinegar
2 tablespoons cornstarch mixed with 2 tablespoons water


Preparation
1. Preheat oven to 300°F.


2. Season beef with salt and pepper. Heat 2 teaspoons oil in a Dutch oven or soup pot over medium-high heat. Add beef and cook, turning from time to time, until well browned on all sides, 5 to 7 minutes. Transfer to a plate.


3. Add the remaining 2 teaspoons oil to the pot. Add onions, reduce heat to medium and cook, stirring often, until softened and golden, 5 to 7 minutes. Add garlic and thyme; cook, stirring, for 1 minute. Stir in coffee and vinegar; bring to a simmer. Return the beef to the pot and spoon some onions over it. Cover and transfer to the oven.


4. Braise the beef in the oven until fork-tender but not falling apart, 2 1/2 to 3 hours. Transfer beef to a cutting board, tent with foil and let rest for about 10 minutes.


5. Meanwhile, skim fat from the braising liquid; bring to a boil over medium-high heat. Add the cornstarch mixture and cook, whisking, until the gravy thickens slightly, about 1 minute. Season with pepper. Carve the beef and serve with gravy.


Slow-Cooker Variation: In Step 2, transfer the browned beef to a slow cooker. In Step 3, use just 1/2 cup coffee. Add the onion mixture to the slow cooker. In Step 4, cover and cook until beef is tender, 4 1/2 to 5 hours on High or 7 to 8 hours on Low. In Step 5, pour the liquid into a medium saucepan and continue as directed.


Enjoy!


Nutrition Facts
Per serving:
252 calories
12 g fat (4 g sat, 6 g mono)
97 mg cholesterol
5 g carbohydrate
29 g protein
172 mg sodium

Curried Turkey Cutlets with Dried Apricots
Curry-spiced apricot sauce jazzes up lean turkey cutlets in a looks-exotic-but-is-really-easy way. You can use boneless, skinless chicken breasts in this recipe: Cover with plastic wrap and pound with a meat mallet or rolling pin until about 1/2 inch thick; cook 4 to 5 minutes per side.


Serves: 4
Preparation time: 30 minutes


Ingredients
1 pound turkey cutlets, cut into four portions
1/4 teaspoon salt, or to taste
Freshly ground pepper to taste
2 teaspoons extra-virgin olive oil
1/2 cup finely chopped onion
3 cloves garlic, minced
1 tablespoon minced fresh ginger
1 to 2 teaspoons curry powder
3/4 cup apple or pineapple juice
1/2 cup dried apricots, chopped
1 teaspoon cornstarch mixed with 1 tablespoon cold water
4 scallions, thinly sliced
2 tablespoons slivered fresh mint (optional)
1/4 cup low-fat plain yogurt


Preparation
1. Pat turkey cutlets dry with paper towels; sprinkle with salt and pepper. Heat oil in a large nonstick skillet over medium-high heat. Add turkey and cook until browned on both sides and no longer pink in the center, 2 to 3 minutes per side. Transfer to a plate and set aside.


2. Add onion to the pan; cook, stirring, for 1 minute. Add garlic, ginger and curry; cook, stirring, until fragrant, about 30 seconds. Add juice and apricots; bring to a simmer. Cook until the apricots are plump and the liquid is slightly reduced, about 3 minutes.


3. Add cornstarch mixture to the pan and cook, stirring constantly, until thickened, about 1 minute. Return the turkey and any accumulated juices to the pan. Cook, turning the cutlets a few times, until coated and heated through, 1 to 2 minutes. Stir in scallions and mint (if using). Serve immediately, with a dollop of yogurt.


Enjoy!


Nutrition Facts
Per serving:
252 calories
3 g fat (1 g sat, 2 g mono)
46 mg cholesterol
25 mg carbohydrates
30 g protein
2 g fiber
264 mg sodium
472 mg potassium


Nutritional bonus: potassium (24% Daily Value), vitamin C (20% DV), iron (15% DV)

Chicken Breasts with Roasted Lemons
Tangy roasted lemons harmonize beautifully with chicken. They are also delicious chopped and sprinkled over fish.


Serves: 4
Preparation time: 40 minutes


Ingredients
For the roasted lemons:
3 medium lemons, thinly sliced and seeded
1 teaspoon extra-virgin olive oil
1/8 teaspoon salt


For the chicken:
4 boneless, skinless chicken breast halves (about 1 pound total), trimmed
1/8 teaspoon salt
Freshly ground pepper to taste
1/4 cup all-purpose flour
2 teaspoons extra-virgin olive oil
1 1/4 cups reduced-sodium chicken broth
2 tablespoons drained capers, rinsed
2 teaspoons butter
3 tablespoons chopped fresh parsley, divided


Preparation
1. To prepare roasted lemons: Preheat oven to 325°F. Line a baking sheet with parchment paper. Arrange lemon slices in a single layer on it. Brush the lemon slices with 1 tablespoon oil and sprinkle with 1/8 teaspoon salt. Roast the lemons until slightly dry and beginning to brown around the edges, 25 to 30 minutes.


2. Meanwhile, prepare chicken: Cover chicken with plastic wrap and pound with a rolling pin or heavy skillet until flattened to about 1/2 inch thick. Sprinkle the chicken with 1/8 teaspoon salt and pepper. Place flour in a shallow dish and dredge the chicken to coat both sides; shake off excess (discard remaining flour).


3. Heat 2 teaspoons oil in a large nonstick skillet over medium-high heat. Add the chicken and cook until golden brown, 2 to 3 minutes per side. Add broth and bring to a boil, scraping up any browned bits. Stir in capers. Boil until the liquid is reduced to syrup consistency, 5 to 8 minutes, turning the chicken halfway. Add the roasted lemons, butter, 2 tablespoons parsley and more pepper, if desired; simmer until the butter melts and the chicken is cooked through, about 2 minutes. Transfer to a platter. Sprinkle with the remaining 1 tablespoon parsley and serve.


Enjoy!


Nutrition Facts
Per serving:
219 calories
7 g fat (2 g sat, 3 g mono)
72 mg cholesterol
10 g carbohydrates
28 g protein
1 g fiber
396 mg sodium
376 mg potassium


Nutritional bonus: vitamin C (40% Daily Value)

Shrimp Veracruzana
Veracruzana is a dish full of onions, jalapeños and tomatoes from the Mexican state of Veracruz. Here we pair the zesty sauce with shrimp, but it can be served with any type of fish or chicken. Be sure to taste the sauce as you're adding jalapeños to the dish and adjust the amount to your taste.


Serves: 4
Preparation time: 30 minutes


Ingredients
2 teaspoons canola oil
1 bay leaf
1 medium onion, halved and thinly sliced
2 jalapeño peppers, seeded and very thinly sliced, or to taste
4 cloves garlic, minced
1 pound peeled and deveined raw shrimp (16 to 20 per pound)
3 medium tomatoes, diced
1/4 cup thinly sliced pitted green olives
1 lime, cut into 4 wedges


Preparation
1. Heat oil in a large nonstick skillet over medium heat.


2. Add bay leaf and cook for 1 minute.


3. Add onion, jalapeños and garlic and cook, stirring, until softened, about 3 minutes.


4. Stir in shrimp, cover and cook until pink and just cooked through, 3 to 4 minutes.


5. Stir in tomatoes and olives. Bring to a simmer, reduce heat to medium-low, replace cover and cook

until the tomatoes are almost broken down, 2 to 3 minutes more.


6. Remove the bay leaf. Serve with lime wedges.


Enjoy!


Nutrition Facts
Per serving:
192 calories
6 g fat (1 g sat, 3 g mono)
172 mg cholesterol
11 g carbohydrates
24 g protein
2 g fiber
324 mg sodium
516 mg potassium


Nutritional bonus: selenium (61% Daily Value), vitamin C (40% DV), iron and vitamin A (20% DV)
 
So you feel some sauce is okay on diet? My trainer has me on one and Mrs Dash is the only thing the meats can have on it.

My diet that she has given me from Mike Davies is basically the same food all day for 8 weeks.
 
So you feel some sauce is okay on diet? My trainer has me on one and Mrs Dash is the only thing the meats can have on it.

My diet that she has given me from Mike Davies is basically the same food all day for 8 weeks.

Umm.. I didn't say that I use those particular recipes on my particular diet at this point in time!

Just some interesting food for thought..

To answer your question tho - yeah some sauces & condiments are okay in the early stages of a strict diet; that makes it an easy source to cut & eliminate cals/certain macros as you start refining & dialing things in..

To be on the same diet, every day, day & day out for weeks on end.. well that is not my preferred route.
 
My wife does all the cooking these days. I am just a drone... I work, work out and perform my sexual duties and that's it. Not a bad life...
 
Hahaaa..'solver of riddles'?? You're funny Russian! :cool:

I really like the Anabolic Switch, think it's a quality product.
(Did you miss my review?) I've even gotten used to the malto included in it, and view it as not a bad thing at this point in the process..

However.. I think, if you have to pay retail (here I mean GNC) for it, it's ridiculously overpriced. There are other avenues to go..
Even at online pricing, if you use it at recommended dosage, it is overpriced. In actuality, I don't think it should be used at recommended dosage at all. There are better things to use preworkout, and I don't think it should be used on off days at all..
The way I use it, imo, is perfect. In this fashion, 1 serving after training, on training days only, at online pricing, it becomes quite a good deal & ideal product.

I'm digging the Plasmavol immensely. Much preferable to your typical N.O.-type product. I'm very partial to glycerol, and Mannitol seems to be the real deal.

Both these products will go by the wayside at some point in this thread. I'll need to make dietary & supp changes at certain points, and these will be cut at that time. But for now.. love 'em!

Thanks steve, i used glycerol mono years ago , when it was first released in russia, i used it to look more defined for photo shoots when i was modelling, i liked it but i had to drink all day after, made me very thirsty because of the way it sucks water into your muscles.
As for mannitol, ive researched it a bit, but its always better hearing how it works from the horses mouth, or your mouth in this case.:thumbsup:
 
I'm digging those recipes there Chef Snag-a-licious!! And I really liked that back double biceps pose. Great peak on those guns there bro. :thumbsup:

I don't see how you had the energy to type all of those recipces after that workout though. I was shaking and quaking for a while after my session this morning. After some good food though, everything is groovy as gravy! :food:

Keep rockin' it up in dis haus!!! :head:
 
Thanks steve, i used glycerol mono years ago , when it was first released in russia, i used it to look more defined for photo shoots when i was modelling, i liked it but i had to drink all day after, made me very thirsty because of the way it sucks water into your muscles.As for mannitol, ive researched it a bit, but its always better hearing how it works from the horses mouth, or your mouth in this case.:thumbsup:


YES! Exactly why I like it. I guess I should've mentioned you need to keep your h2o intake high when using this. I chug roughly 2-2.5 gallons daily..
 
My wife does all the cooking these days. I am just a drone... I work, work out and perform my sexual duties and that's it. Not a bad life...
That's the perfect slave's life!!
And even though I am very willing to oblige the queen-bee (wifey), I still like for her to break out the whip and use it on her big love-slave!! :whip::D
 
That's the perfect slave's life!!
And even though I am very willing to oblige the queen-bee (wifey), I still like for her to break out the whip and use it on her big love-slave!! :whip::D

Pftftftftftttt!!! :toofunny:

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to thundergod again.
 
I'm digging those recipes there Chef Snag-a-licious!! And I really liked that back double biceps pose. Great peak on those guns there bro. :thumbsup:

I don't see how you had the energy to type all of those recipces after that workout though. I was shaking and quaking for a while after my session this morning. After some good food though, everything is groovy as gravy! :food:

Copy & paste on dat one bro, copy & paste..

Keep rockin' it up in dis haus!!! :head:

Thanx! :head:
 
Gonna rant here for a minute.. :rant:

A lot of things piss me off. As I've gotten older, I've learned to lighten up a bit, not sweat the small stuff.. but some things still aggravate the living hell outta me..

(Maybe this is the Prime aggression kicking in full-bore here..)

Had a couple of discussions about my squats with a few guys.. When I post my squat #'s, this is me going ass-to-grass; that is my preferred form. I don't have a rack that stops me prior to getting to parallel; to save me if I can't handle the weight. I have no spotter. If I can't get that sh!t back up, then it's squashing me, pure & simple. I don't use wraps; I don't use machines. It's just me & the weights, going ATG..

So then I get some smartass comment. Then I see some vids of these guys, going like not even close to parallel.. and walking around talking about their 400 or 450lb. squats. That's done on a rack. With a ROM of like 6".

:aargh: This absolutely kills me, and is the exact reason why I don't like posting my weights. Without knowing the form someone takes, these #'s are irrelevant.

I know my weaknesses, and legs are not my strong point. But it pisses me off that ppl pass off the credibility of some #'s, and then someone (like a noob or something) is just in awe of a certain individual because of these inflated #'s. Like they know what they're talking about, because they squat x amount of weight; while this guy here (insert me) must not know sh!t, cuz he's weak..

Ahhhhh..I know, I know - silly to let such things get to ya. But I'm just venting.

Fact is, some #'s ppl post are just ludicrous. (And I'm not referring to anybody in this thread btw). There are some strong dudes running around; TG is a beast. Vol is a strong dude. Viking is crazy strong. Tommy Jeffers has beastly leg strength. Doug Miller is on another planet. Watch these guys, check out their vids -- this is true strength, with proper form..

And random note: but who the hell really cares what someone can do on leg extensions anyway? Great, you're wrecking your knees..you really think doing 225 on leg extensions is an accomplishment? You really think that is what is gonna develop your quads???
 
So you feel some sauce is okay on diet? My trainer has me on one and Mrs Dash is the only thing the meats can have on it.

My diet that she has given me from Mike Davies is basically the same food all day for 8 weeks.

What types of sauces are you talking about? I use some Chinese sweet&spicy sauce on my chicken, but not much at all. I really don't see where a couple grams of sugar is going to kill your diet. Even in a contest cut, I wouldn't think you'd need to cut that out until the last week. Now, if you're using heavy amounts, that's a different story.

If you get a chance or are interested, next time you're at the grocery store, check in the section with Chinese sauces and look for a bottle with red sauce that has a Rooster on it and a bunch of Chinese lettering. The stuff is AWESOME and you only need a little bit. I think it's 1g of sugar per serving, and I only use about one serving for 8oz of chicken.

When I pan-cook my beef or chicken, I just put some Zataran's Cajun seasoning on it. All that has is some sodium, and not that much.
 
Delicious post there Snag. Will be using those for sure...I have been bored with mine lately. The biceps look great but, the shoulders really caught my eyes: all three very well developed.
 
Gonna rant here for a minute.. :rant:

A lot of things piss me off. As I've gotten older, I've learned to lighten up a bit, not sweat the small stuff.. but some things still aggravate the living hell outta me..

(Maybe this is the Prime aggression kicking in full-bore here..)

Had a couple of discussions about my squats with a few guys.. When I post my squat #'s, this is me going ass-to-grass; that is my preferred form. I don't have a rack that stops me prior to getting to parallel; to save me if I can't handle the weight. I have no spotter. If I can't get that sh!t back up, then it's squashing me, pure & simple. I don't use wraps; I don't use machines. It's just me & the weights, going ATG..

So then I get some smartass comment. Then I see some vids of these guys, going like not even close to parallel.. and walking around talking about their 400 or 450lb. squats. That's done on a rack. With a ROM of like 6".

:aargh: This absolutely kills me, and is the exact reason why I don't like posting my weights. Without knowing the form someone takes, these #'s are irrelevant.

I know my weaknesses, and legs are not my strong point. But it pisses me off that ppl pass off the credibility of some #'s, and then someone (like a noob or something) is just in awe of a certain individual because of these inflated #'s. Like they know what they're talking about, because they squat x amount of weight; while this guy here (insert me) must not know sh!t, cuz he's weak..

Ahhhhh..I know, I know - silly to let such things get to ya. But I'm just venting.

Fact is, some #'s ppl post are just ludicrous. (And I'm not referring to anybody in this thread btw). There are some strong dudes running around; TG is a beast. Vol is a strong dude. Viking is crazy strong. Tommy Jeffers has beastly leg strength. Doug Miller is on another planet. Watch these guys, check out their vids -- this is true strength, with proper form..

And random note: but who the hell really cares what someone can do on leg extensions anyway? Great, you're wrecking your knees..you really think doing 225 on leg extensions is an accomplishment? You really think that is what is gonna develop your quads???
Good points about weight and form. I'm breaking away from machines once again and soon I am going to start sandbag training on a factory roof-top. Sand-bag squats, sand-bag presses/pushups, sand-bag cleans, etc. I like machines every now and then, but I'll use a low working weight (and sometimes get criticized for it). Machines got me weak in real world application type stuff. Cables, Hammer Strength machines, Cybex, Smith Machine, etc. will not provide your body with useable strength all around.

You ever try 'primative' training only for a while, Snag? I'm curious as to your opinion on it even if you haven't used it as a sole regimen.
 
Man you and I think so much alike, I don't go below paralell on squats though, and sometimes slightly above. I am always trying for paralell though and will decrease weight when I am not getting the desired depth.

This is not only squats though I see guys in the gym doing 6" bench press too... and yah it pisses me off when I see then load 400 lbs on the bench and hardly move the bar. I sometimes will say something but that never turns out well. Band form in general pisses me off...
 
Man you and I think so much alike, I don't go below paralell on squats though, and sometimes slightly above. I am always trying for paralell though and will decrease weight when I am not getting the desired depth.

This is not only squats though I see guys in the gym doing 6" bench press too... and yah it pisses me off when I see then load 400 lbs on the bench and hardly move the bar. I sometimes will say something but that never turns out well. Band form in general pisses me off...
The bench press is the only thing that i don't always use full ROM with. I feel that if i keep it lower and don't go all the way to lockout it keeps the pressure on my pecs instead of tris. That has helped me alot imo
 
For anybody who may think I am blowing smoke [re:] Fasted Training:

Exercise in the fasted state facilitates fibre type-specific intramyocellular lipid breakdown and stimulates glycogen resynthesis in humans.

De Bock K, Richter EA, Russell AP, Eijnde BO, Derave W, Ramaekers M, Koninckx E, Léger B, Verhaeghe J, Hespel P.
Exercise Physiology and Biomechanics Laboratory, Faculty of Kinesiology and Rehabilitation Sciences, K.U.Leuven, Tervuursevest 101, B-3001 Leuven (Heverlee), Belgium.

The effects were compared of exercise in the fasted state and exercise with a high rate of carbohydrate intake on intramyocellular triglyceride (IMTG) and glycogen content of human muscle. Using a randomized crossover study design, nine young healthy volunteers participated in two experimental sessions with an interval of 3 weeks. In each session subjects performed 2 h of constant-load bicycle exercise (approximately 75% ), followed by 4 h of controlled recovery. On one occasion they exercised after an overnight fast (F), and on the other (CHO) they received carbohydrates before ( approximately 150 g) and during (1 g (kg bw)(-1) h(-1)) exercise. In both conditions, subjects ingested 5 g carbohydrates per kg body weight during recovery. Fibre type-specific relative IMTG content was determined by Oil red O staining in needle biopsies from m. vastus lateralis before, immediately after and 4 h after exercise. During F but not during CHO, the exercise bout decreased IMTG content in type I fibres from 18 +/- 2% to 6 +/- 2% (P = 0.007) area lipid staining. Conversely, during recovery, IMTG in type I fibres decreased from 15 +/- 2% to 10 +/- 2% in CHO, but did not change in F. Neither exercise nor recovery changed IMTG in type IIa fibres in any experimental condition. Exercise-induced net glycogen breakdown was similar in F and CHO. However, compared with CHO (11.0 +/- 7.8 mmol kg(-1) h(-1)), mean rate of postexercise muscle glycogen resynthesis was 3-fold greater in F (32.9 +/- 2.7 mmol kg(-1) h(-1), P = 0.01). Furthermore, oral glucose loading during recovery increased plasma insulin markedly more in F (+46.80 microU ml(-1)) than in CHO (+14.63 microU ml(-1), P = 0.02). We conclude that IMTG breakdown during prolonged submaximal exercise in the fasted state takes place predominantly in type I fibres and that this breakdown is prevented in the CHO-fed state. Furthermore, facilitated glucose-induced insulin secretion may contribute to enhanced muscle glycogen resynthesis following exercise in the fasted state.

Translations:

During F but not during CHO, the exercise bout decreased IMTG content in type I fibres from 18 +/- 2% to 6 +/- 2% (P = 0.007) area lipid staining. Conversely, during recovery, IMTG in type I fibres decreased from 15 +/- 2% to 10 +/- 2% in CHO, but did not change in F.

During the fasted training the percentage of intramuscular triglycerides [by proportionate weight to the muscle] decreased from 18% to 6%; while the decrease in intramuscular triglycerides in the CHO group did not occur until after, and was only a 5% decrease. This means, as I have explained, that in a fasted state your muscles immediately switch from glucose to triglycerides [to oxidize FFAs] as the primary oxidative phosphorylation substrate; necessarily decreasing fat stores as a source of energy!

Neither exercise nor recovery changed IMTG in type IIa fibres in any experimental condition

Intramuscular triglyceride stores were not altered in Type IIa fiber type; the most important fiber type for BB'ers. This is expected as the training was endurance training under submaximal contraction conditions, and fiber recruitment would have been predominantly Type I. Fiber types do not share energy stores, and this situation would be altered in a resistance training scenario.

However, compared with CHO (11.0 +/- 7.8 mmol kg(-1) h(-1)), mean rate of postexercise muscle glycogen resynthesis was 3-fold greater in F (32.9 +/- 2.7 mmol kg(-1) h(-1), P = 0.01).

The rate at which muscle glycogen resynthesis [Glycogenesis] occurred in the fasted state was three times faster than the CHO fed-state. Yes, training fasted recuperated glycogen stores three times faster than a CHO-fed state. This is ironic as the entire premise behind pre-WO CHO ingestion is glycogen recuperation.
 
Another:

Intramyocellular lipids form an important substrate source during moderate intensity exercise in endurance-trained males in a fasted state.

van Loon LJ, Koopman R, Stegen JH, Wagenmakers AJ, Keizer HA, Saris WH.
Nutrition Research Institute Maastricht, Maastricht University, Maastricht, The Netherlands. [email protected]
Both stable isotope methodology and fluorescence microscopy were applied to define the use of intramuscular triglyceride (IMTG) stores as a substrate source during exercise on a whole-body as well as on a fibre type-specific intramyocellular level in trained male cyclists. Following an overnight fast, eight subjects were studied at rest, during 120 min of moderate intensity exercise (60 % maximal oxygen uptake capacity (VO2,max)) and 120 min of post-exercise recovery. Continuous infusions of [U-13C]palmitate and [6,6-2H2]glucose were administered at rest and during subsequent exercise to quantify whole-body plasma free fatty acid (FFA) and glucose oxidation rates and the contribution of other fat sources (sum of muscle- plus lipoprotein-derived TG) and muscle glycogen to total energy expenditure. Fibre type-specific intramyocellular lipid content was determined in muscle biopsy samples collected before, immediately after and 2 h after exercise. At rest, fat oxidation provided 66 +/- 5 % of total energy expenditure, with FFA and other fat sources contributing 48 +/- 6 and 17 +/- 3 %, respectively. FFA oxidation rates increased during exercise, and correlated well with the change in plasma FFA concentrations. Both the use of other fat sources and muscle glycogen declined with the duration of exercise, whereas plasma glucose production and utilisation increased (P < 0.001). On average, FFA, other fat sources, plasma glucose and muscle glycogen contributed 28 +/- 3, 15 +/- 2, 12 +/- 1 and 45 +/- 4 % to total energy expenditure during exercise, respectively. Fluorescence microscopy revealed a 62 +/- 7 % net decline in muscle lipid content following exercise in the type I fibres only, with no subsequent change during recovery. We conclude that IMTG stores form an important substrate source during moderate intensity exercise in endurance-trained male athletes following an overnight fast, with the oxidation rate of muscle- plus lipoprotein-derived TG being decreased with the duration of exercise.
PMID: 14514877 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Unfortunately, this was done again on endurance training [VO2 max], but we can take away several lessons:

a) Fasted training unequivocally utilizes intramuscular triglyceride stores to substantially increase energy expenditure and endurance.

b) Fasted workouts should be kept to 60min > to ensure IMTG, and FFA oxidation remains high.

c) Plasma FFA oxidation increases. Translation: By causing your body to switch to primarily FAs/TGs as the oxidative substrate you are literally burning fat as fuel.
 
Another:



Unfortunately, this was done again on endurance training [VO2 max], but we can take away several lessons:

a) Fasted training unequivocally utilizes intramuscular triglyceride stores to substantially increase energy expenditure and endurance.

b) Fasted workouts should be kept to 60min > to ensure IMTG, and FFA oxidation remains high.

c) Plasma FFA oxidation increases. Translation: By causing your body to switch to primarily FAs/TGs as the oxidative substrate you are literally burning fat as fuel.

What was the not as expensive, but may not work as well as certain companies supplements ingredient you mentioned to me before? Or does this not ring a bell and I sound like the town drunkard right now?
 
My reasoning for ensuring you eat no carbohydrate the night preceding a fasted train:

Low-fat diet alters intramuscular substrates and reduces lipolysis and fat oxidation during exercise.

Coyle EF, Jeukendrup AE, Oseto MC, Hodgkinson BJ, Zderic TW.
Human Performance Laboratory, Department of Kinesiology and Health Education, University of Texas at Austin, Austin, TX 78712, USA. [email protected]as/edu
We determined whether a low-fat diet reduces intramuscular triglyceride (IMTG) concentration, whole body lipolyis, total fat oxidation, and calculated nonplasma fatty acid (FA) oxidation during exercise. Seven endurance-trained cyclists were studied over a 3-wk period during which time they exercised 2 h/day at 70% of maximum O2 uptake VO(2 max) and consumed approximately 4,400 kcal/day. During the 1st wk, their fat intake provided 32% of energy. During the 2nd and 3rd wk, they were randomly assigned to eat 2 or 22% of energy from fat (2%FAT or 22%FAT). Compared with 22%FAT, 2%FAT lowered IMTG concentration and raised muscle glycogen concentration at rest (P < 0.05). Metabolism was studied during 1 h of exercise at 67% VO(2 max) performed in the fasted state. 2%FAT resulted in a 27% reduction (P < 0.05) in total fat oxidation vs. 22%FAT without altering the stable isotopically determined rates of plasma free fatty acid or glucose disappearance. Therefore, 2%FAT reduced calculated nonplasma FA oxidation by 40% in association with a 19% reduction in whole body lipolysis while increasing calculated minimal muscle glycogen oxidation compared with 22%FAT (all P < 0.05). In summary, an extremely low fat (2% of energy) and high-carbohydrate diet lowers whole body lipolysis, total fat oxidation, and nonplasma FA oxidation during exercise in the fasted state in association with a reduced concentration of intramuscular triglyceride.

Notice that the rate of lipolysis and FA oxidation was reduced with the reduced fat content - i.e., on a cut keep your fats high and train fasted to greatly expedite fat loss!
 
What was the not as expensive, but may not work as well as certain companies supplements ingredient you mentioned to me before? Or does this not ring a bell and I sound like the town drunkard right now?

Umm, sort of like a drunkard. Refresh me.
 
You could go give seminars and be the New Mike Mentzer. People in the bodybuilding community labeled him as a heretic for preaching high intensity, while the mainstage was high volume. You could take your fasted state business on the road.
 
Like I said I never believed in pre-workout meals/shakes. I am and endo so I never really saw the need as I could just burn more fat and I don't like anything in my stomach when I work out. It's really good to hear that I have been on the money... dumb luck really.
 
Umm, sort of like a drunkard. Refresh me.

I believe I mentioned an interest of purchasing AP for this purpose, but couldn't afford to, so you offered an alternative. I can't even remember which log it was posted in, because this fasted state log is in most of my subs.
 
You ever try 'primative' training only for a while, Snag? I'm curious as to your opinion on it even if you haven't used it as a sole regimen.

Dude, my training is about as primitive as it gets!! :lol:

I've done some truly 'primitive' training techniques thru the yrs., such as you mentioned. Love this form of exercise! Pale buckets, sandbags, broomsticks, running uphill in snow.. uneven pushups off a basketball.. hell yes man! (Images of Rocky IV dancing in my head..)

Obviously these go beyond true bb'ing formats, but I am a huge fan!
 
You could go give seminars and be the New Mike Mentzer. People in the bodybuilding community labeled him as a heretic for preaching high intensity, while the mainstage was high volume. You could take your fasted state business on the road.

Maybe. People have an immediate backlash but it is unfounded. As I see it now, the combination of proper supplements [modify PPARa/y activity, substrate selection and AMPk phosphorylation] and fasted training may be the quickest way to simultaneously build muscle and attenuate adipose.
 
I believe I mentioned an interest of purchasing AP for this purpose, but couldn't afford to, so you offered an alternative. I can't even remember which log it was posted in, because this fasted state log is in most of my subs.

You could purchase some Bulk Berberine. The standardization of protoberberine-like compounds changes the effects of the product, though. I think you know personally I am not BS'ing you, as I would go out of my way to save you the $ if needed.
 
Sup Snag....just wanted to say I squatted 600lbs, and I almost hit parallel! ;)




Haha, sup brother? Actually just on my way out to hit legs/back, hopefully my lower back is recovered enough for some hack squats.
 
Question: How can I apply this when I w/o late afternoon? I can't w/o in the morning. How much time would qualify as a fasted state before w/o?
 
Man you and I think so much alike, I don't go below paralell on squats though, and sometimes slightly above. I am always trying for paralell though and will decrease weight when I am not getting the desired depth.

This is not only squats though I see guys in the gym doing 6" bench press too... and yah it pisses me off when I see then load 400 lbs on the bench and hardly move the bar. I sometimes will say something but that never turns out well. Band form in general pisses me off...

I know I'm out of kilter with the conversation going on in the thread right now, but wanted to respond to this..

I'm not saying ATG form is the 'be-all/end-all', simply stating that this works well for me and is my preferred form. I utilize just below parallel form as well; I bust out box squats every once in awhile.. I'm just saying, things have to be taken in context. There is a HUUUGE difference between 300lbs. ATG and 300lbs. with a 6" ROM not even coming close to parallel..
 
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