Best test booster?
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tdf700
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well ok if you say so....I can live with that
koi1214
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Viron contains Tongkat and boron.As a test booster it's main focus is to free test levels.
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Kingpin & Alphamax focus on raising both total & free test levels
T-Bone
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JRSOLDJA
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No disrespect intended......but you do know that it takes 5 - 8 days of continuous use to peak in your system, right? how could 5 days on 2 days off even work for anyone at all?
JRSOLDJA
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my bad, I may have mis-read the label. thought it said 50mg's. i guess i better slow down on my speed reading lol. in that case, yea...by all means
ELROCK
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No worries man.
The_Old_Guy
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AEN's APE, which has EuryGold LJ in it, among other things, also recommends a 5 On 2 Off dosing. I'm sure there is some science behind it somewhere. I've also seen it recommended for long runs of DAA - I think from that Doc over on Mind & Muscle.
thebigt
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ironchampusa ironstack-volume and hpta
t-bomb 3xtreme
testopro
viron
t-force
growth factor xt
inhibit-e
how is that for a lets go crazy stack?
JRSOLDJA
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Huh, I wonder if the 5 days on, 2 days off is after the initial build up in the system....? well hey if it works for you, who am I to say sh@!@ lol
Joshlm69
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I think thats too much for the liver to deal with. HPTA/Viron/Growth Factor is plenty enough
JRSOLDJA
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I agree. way too much. Besides...you're test levels can only reach a certain point naturally when using test boosters. You're just gonna be wasting half of what your taking. you're better off using a mild prohormone stack...sad part is a prohormone stack would probably be safer than all of those OTC's combined.
Joshlm69
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Agreed; the 3 I've quoted above are solid solid products. Im currently on a break from growth factor but taking HPTA/Viron/ABE/Xgels
Volume did nothing for me
JRSOLDJA
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Right on. which leads me to another point...stacking too many natty boosters is like taking one for 2 years straight...gets to a point where you stop benefitting from it...I think I worded this right for it to make sense. haha. Whats your take on antler velvet stacked with tribulus or Tongkat Ali?
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Joshlm69
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Read on multiple sites velvet is completely worthless. Tongat has loads of feedback as being great. I never saw much from it but trying Viron again.
Tribulus is only good for boners, and you probably need to take 4000-6000mg a day of decent tribulus.
If you want strength and size gains, just go for ABE with Xgels. If you want libido boost aswell, chuck in Viron & HPTA
ELROCK
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I agree it is a bit of a waste using all those supps at once. But...LOL at a prohormone stack would be safer than his natty T booster stack.
JRSOLDJA
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HAHA!
thebigt
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i would have thought you would be curious enough to know my dosing plan before rushing to judgement, but that's just me, lol.
Joshlm69
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It's not re the dosing; it's the liver having to break down so many molecules.
And then also if you're messing with the dosage; you're also not getting the adequate dose of each herb, thus making it all very expensive and ineffective , haha
brundel
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When I first started testing our tongkat extract I had a slight.....priapism issue. 45 min. No stimulation. Was walking on the beach with my dog and hello.
Talk about an awkward walk along the boardwalk.
Jiigzz
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The liver is very much capable of dealing with all of that, lol.
Volvo140G
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Tuck it up in the belt line and play it cool ala middle school.
T-Bone
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If that was too much than more than half this forum would be in liver failure.
T-Bone
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Hilarious!. Jokes are flowing freely today I guess!
kisaj
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So true. The stacks on here are unlike anything I have ever seen before.
Jiigzz
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Spend 1000 on a stack, gain 5lbs. Lol
Danes
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JRSOLDJA
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Haha! lets take a SH@! ton of test boosters and call it a STACK!!!! Ultimate-Get-YO-Dick-UP MUSCLE ENERGY MUSCLE ENERGY STAAAAACK!!!
thebigt
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haha, is exactly what i think of this post.
your years of experience is underwhelming!!!!!
Chuck Diesel
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Eurygold is like a lower potency LJ100, If Im correct it is 28% Eurypeptides where LJ100 is 45%. I have known the people and worked with the people in FL that puts out LJ100 for over 10 yrs. Also you go 5 on 2 off because LongJack, all longjack will over stimulate you with say over 8-10 days of continued use. Also after about 20 days straight on LongJack....most of the time you do not notice any results. It works in terms cycling like panax ginseng. Really potent Long Jack will give you this high amount of cellular energy that will not go away for days if you over use it.....then all of a sudden, the root doesnt work anymore.
mr.cooper69
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For once, you speak sense. LJ 100 is indeed superior to eurygold
kisaj
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Good lord. I feel like it is continual nonsense.
Chuck Diesel
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^^ for once??
Continued nonsense??
Look I've been at this way longer than a few reps....years and years at making test boosters and especially dealing
with Long Jack. I know everything there is to know about any LongJack sold by HP Ingredients, like I said, I have
been involved with their material for over 10 years.
Also I just realized this was that test booster thread I am done with, I was just answering a question I saw about why cycle
Long Jack....see you guys. This is the thread I was waiting on someone to link to some user test results.
Chuck Diesel
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Yes it is, it is cumulative and also dose dependent. We call that being "torqued" out. Like I said Ginseng
does it also.
Olestra
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I've experienced it firsthand with ginseng and now I still use it but not everyday. I couldn't sleep at all and broke out in a rash. I also had itchy, watery eyes and nose. I didn't get any tests done but I suspect those sides were from elevated histamine levels. For those who might find this info useful: ginseng acts as an MAOI - an inhibitor of the enzyme which breaks down several neurotransmitters including dopamine and histamine. Which is why it works as a test booster - dopamine stimulates the pituitary to produce LH which stimulates test production. The elevated neurotransmitters are the cause of the good mood that people report feeling while taking ginseng.
Most test boosters are simply neurotransmitter boosting drugs, with an increase in test being a secondary effect. The "alpha male euphoria" comes from increased dopamine, not test. Libido increase probably mostly does too, although all the parts of the Dopamine-LH-Test pathway do play a role in libido.
Chuck Diesel
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^^^ bingo. That's why the loop back of high test is seen as low libido. The body reduces LH levels and LH and Dopamine go hand in hand. If one is up the other is....if one is down....the other is.
Olestra
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Well I don't know if LH has that effect on Dopamine but Dopamine certainly has that effect on LH. For example anabolic steroids suppress LH but that does not translate to lower dopamine.
You're spot on about the high test tho.
mr.cooper69
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DA and LH don't work like that...at all
Danes
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Totaly agree
Olestra
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Yea, dopamine does not depend on LH. But LH does depend on dopamine. They don't go "hand in hand" in the manner Chuck said. I was just trying to be nice about it in my previous post lol.
Dopamine is necessary for pretty much every basic neurological function; negative feedback from the HPTA wouldn't lower its production. Stimulating HPTA is not its primary role, just a secondary effect, as I alluded to earlier.
Getting back on topic:
Lately I've been interested in non-neurologically based t boosters due to the fact that I get sides from domaminergic products. Fadogia, Bulbine, and Anacyclus look promising. I've taken each in the past, although not at the same time. And even when I took them they were as part of a blend of several other herbals, so it's hard to say for sure if they were effective for me. I have a bottle of Ironchamp HPTA now. I'll probably take it sometime later this year. If anyone else gets sides from neurotransmitter boosters, or just doesn't want to mess with their brain chemistry, that would be a good product to consider. I know a lot of people on this forum seem to like it.
Dopamine is necessary for pretty much every basic neurological function; negative feedback from the HPTA wouldn't lower its production. Stimulating HPTA is not its primary role, just a secondary effect, as I alluded to earlier.
Getting back on topic:
Lately I've been interested in non-neurologically based t boosters due to the fact that I get sides from domaminergic products. Fadogia, Bulbine, and Anacyclus look promising. I've taken each in the past, although not at the same time. And even when I took them they were as part of a blend of several other herbals, so it's hard to say for sure if they were effective for me. I have a bottle of Ironchamp HPTA now. I'll probably take it sometime later this year. If anyone else gets sides from neurotransmitter boosters, or just doesn't want to mess with their brain chemistry, that would be a good product to consider. I know a lot of people on this forum seem to like it.
Danes
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jgntyce
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have HPTA on hand. will use for next pct
thebigt
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hpta is very good.....i hate to be off it.....the 5 on 2 off dosing seems to make effects last longer than everyday dosing so i can stay on it longer. i can notice some difference on 2 days off, but 80% of effects are still there as far as libido and alpha mood/motivation!!!!