Best test booster?

Ok. Was following the dosage instructions on the label. Halfhuman has also suggested increasing the dosage if on a split routine but if I take x2 on each of the 5 days on, this averages higher than X1 per day on a 7 day continuous basis.

Bit confused. If I were to move to a 7 day cycle would I still need to take x2 a day?

kisaj said:
You should be running 2 a day.
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You are over thinking this. Take 2 a day for 5 days and then none on the other 2 days.

I guess I should not have stated "should be taking 2" because that is more my opinion based on personal experience and what many others report. I believe the label is cautious and a good starting point.
 
Thanks. Will stick to the cautious starting point of x1 a day protocol and see what results I get from this first before upping the dosage

kisaj said:
You are over thinking this. Take 2 a day for 5 days and then none on the other 2 days.

I guess I should not have stated "should be taking 2" because that is more my opinion based on personal experience and what many others report. I believe the label is cautious and a good starting point.
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kisaj said:
You are over thinking this. Take 2 a day for 5 days and then none on the other 2 days. I guess I should not have stated "should be taking 2" because that is more my opinion based on personal experience and what many others report. I believe the label is cautious and a good starting point.
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Do you take 2 at once or spread them out?
 
I mean if they were SUPER low, you might see that high of an increase. 80ng/dl to ~ 340 ng/dl.

I don't have anything to support this actually happening but I'm just saying it's not totally out of the realm of possibility.
 
Haha, ok.

But I think what you were originally getting at was right. Some companies have been marketing products to boost testosterone by ridiculous percentages that would never be possible for the average consumer to achieve. Bulbine comes to mind.
 
Olestra said:
Haha, ok.

But I think what you were originally getting at was right. Some companies have been marketing products to boost testosterone by ridiculous percentages that would never be possible for the average consumer to achieve. Bulbine comes to mind.
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bulbine and fadogia go together very nicely, checkout ironchampusa HPTA
 
Try T-force by OmegaSports or/ and the Iron Stack by IronChampUSA (H.P.T.A & Volume) all of these are very good supplements for what your looking for buddy, ive got all 3 of them on the way. pretty excited :veryhappy:
 
Faaaaack ima hafta give htpa a solo run one of these days. Maybe a month or so after pct, to gauge its effects solo.....
 
I agree, the research (mostly rat) says Anacyclus Pyrethrin, Bulbine (in the proper amount, too much is worse than none), and Fadogia. But they are all still minimally studied in humans.[/QUOTE]

Seen PES Anabeta elite (Anacyclus pyrethrum DC Extract (root) formula) being sold on a website for what appears to be a discounted price. Expiry date is 10/14. Would it be safe? I presume the store wouldn't be selling it and advertising the date if it didn't feel risks were minimal??
 
ucheoma said:
I agree, the research (mostly rat) says Anacyclus Pyrethrin, Bulbine (in the proper amount, too much is worse than none), and Fadogia. But they are all still minimally studied in humans.
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Seen PES Anabeta elite (Anacyclus pyrethrum DC Extract (root) formula) being sold on a website for what appears to be a discounted price. Expiry date is 10/14. Would it be safe? I presume the store wouldn't be selling it and advertising the date if it didn't feel risks were minimal??[/QUOTE]

all three of those ingredients, plus avenacosides and divanill are in hpta!!!

right now all ironchamp products are 50% with code PCT50OFF, just follow the link in my sig and use code!!!

50% off is limited time so hurry!!!
 
What's the deal with the anacyclus pyrethrum dosage in HPTA? How strong of an extract is it that you only need 120 mg?
 
Olestra said:
What's the deal with the anacyclus pyrethrum dosage in HPTA? How strong of an extract is it that you only need 120 mg?
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i agree, not enough to get full results, but enough to contribute to the overall formula. take the formula as a whole, the sum is greater than the parts...i liked hpta/volume so much i asked to rep for the company!!!
 
Olestra said:
What's the deal with the anacyclus pyrethrum dosage in HPTA? How strong of an extract is it that you only need 120 mg?
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550-1,600 mg daily for a 150 lb person
700-2,200 mg daily for a 200 lb person
900-2,700 mg daily for a 250 lb person
extract doses.
Maybe the 120 is per cap and its a multi cap dose.
 
i've used a ton of test booster related products and hpta has out performed all of them for me!!!

and for $35 it is very cost effective, imo!!!
 
thebigt said:
i agree, not enough to get full results, but enough to contribute to the overall formula. take the formula as a whole, the sum is greater than the parts...i liked hpta/volume so much i asked to rep for the company!!!
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Nice. Just curious - how did you know it was working?
 
Olestra said:
Nice. Just curious - how did you know it was working?
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read my log...IRONCHAMPUSA-VOLUME AM-PM...i start hpta at post #135, although i had a pretty good experience with volume solo before i added hpta, together they are truly fantastic!!!

keep in mind this is before i started repping for ironchamp, and the results are the reason why i asked to rep for them!!!
 
thebigt said:
read my log...IRONCHAMPUSA-VOLUME AM-PM...i start hpta at post #135, although i had a pretty good experience with volume solo before i added hpta, together they are truly fantastic!!!

keep in mind this is before i started repping for ironchamp, and the results are the reason why i asked to rep for them!!!
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Anyone, just even one, done any labs using HPTA?? Perhaps??
 
Olestra said:
Nice. Just curious - how did you know it was working?
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The Fadogia seems to be just under the study amounts, but it's close.

Although there is no human evidence, both mouse and rat studies use up to 100mg/kg of fadogia agrestis daily. This leads to an estimated human dosage of:

550-1,100mg for a 150lb person
700-1,450mg for a 200lb person
900-1,800mg for a 250lb person
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The Bulbine is probably the heavy hitter, as we know less is more with that herb (though 8mg/kg is the supposed optimal dose).

The Anacyclus and Long Jack are real low, based on the data.

I do commend them for not trying to hide anything in a prop blend. And if one bottle is cheaper than separates of Bulbine/Fadogia, I'd probably still give it a shot... but not for the AP or LJ in it.
 
1 week into PCT with HPTA + Viron + Formeron and I'm already loving it. Feeling awesome!

I did 5 wks on Osta (20mg) -- libido was starting to decline after the 4th week. But it's climbing fast now! :D
 
Alphamax is a pretty good all-in-one product. But I'm a huge believer in ZMA and BULGARIAN Tribulus. any other tribulus is a waste from my experience...i think universal nutrition still sells the bulgarian stuff...not sure though....
 
JRSOLDJA said:
Alphamax is a pretty good all-in-one product. But I'm a huge believer in ZMA and BULGARIAN Tribulus. any other tribulus is a waste from my experience...i think universal nutrition still sells the bulgarian stuff...not sure though....
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Wow! ZMA and Bulgarian Tribulus:doh:

Am about to press the trigger on the Anabeta with expiry date of nov 14. Please any advice on the safety would be very welcome before I buy. Thanks
 
ucheoma said:
Wow! ZMA and Bulgarian Tribulus:doh:

Am about to press the trigger on the Anabeta with expiry date of nov 14. Please any advice on the safety would be very welcome before I buy. Thanks
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wow! backed by solid research! amazing! ah!

but you'll be fine with the anabeta as long as it hasnt been sitting in the sun or any weird storage **** like that since its just a root extract.
 
Thanks for the advice on Anabeta

Have you any links to research/studies, preferably human, demonstrating ZMA and Bulgarian Tribulus work in raising test in healthy males?

JRSOLDJA said:
wow! backed by solid research! amazing! ah!

but you'll be fine with the anabeta as long as it hasnt been sitting in the sun or any weird storage **** like that since its just a root extract.
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ucheoma said:
Thanks for the advice on Anabeta

Have you any links to research/studies, preferably human, demonstrating ZMA and Bulgarian Tribulus work in raising test in healthy males?
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Here's a couple:
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i did read an actual number study on bulgarian tribulus a couple months ago but cant find that specific article now...figures. but the better quality sleep you get...the better you recover and increase hgh..and testosterone (this is partially induced by ZMA)
 
You're quoting old research from a convicted felon which has since been discredited in subsequent studies. We know it wasn't ZMA he was feeding his athletes!! ZMA may reverse test to baseline levels in males suffering from low levels of these minerals any may help increase test siightly in hypogonadal males but that's it. It has been shown to have little or no effect in healthy males. Happy if you can point to any reputable research which shows ZMA boosts test in healthy males and by what levels. And by the way there's tonnes of products that help you sleep better, doesn't qualify these as test boosters

As for the links on Bulgarian Tribulus, these are all nothing but marketing literature and hype! None of the articles demonstrate that the higher levels of saponins supposedly contained in BT leads to increased Test in healthy males. ALl they do is just claim how their tribulus is better than others. Would also be interested in in research/study published in a reputable journal rather than websites promoting Bulgarian tribulus

JRSOLDJA said:
Here's a couple:
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i did read an actual number study on bulgarian tribulus a couple months ago but cant find that specific article now...figures. but the better quality sleep you get...the better you recover and increase hgh..and testosterone (this is partially induced by ZMA)
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mechka_grizli said:
How were your osta results?
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From my log:

So today marks 5 weeks. I'm considering ending the run today. I just haven't noticed that much improvement over the past two weeks. Honestly, the biggest benefit so far has been an improvement in my elbow tendinitis & some leaning effect that occurred in the first couple of weeks. Libido has been slightly down the past 10 days.

I liked it the first 3-3 1/2 weeks but saw diminishing effects & libido was taking a hit.
 
ddfox said:
From my log:

So today marks 5 weeks. I'm considering ending the run today. I just haven't noticed that much improvement over the past two weeks. Honestly, the biggest benefit so far has been an improvement in my elbow tendinitis & some leaning effect that occurred in the first couple of weeks. Libido has been slightly down the past 10 days.

I liked it the first 3-3 1/2 weeks but saw diminishing effects & libido was taking a hit.
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What dose did you run?
 
The_Old_Guy said:
The Fadogia seems to be just under the study amounts, but it's close.



The Bulbine is probably the heavy hitter, as we know less is more with that herb (though 8mg/kg is the supposed optimal dose).

The Anacyclus and Long Jack are real low, based on the data.

I do commend them for not trying to hide anything in a prop blend. And if one bottle is cheaper than separates of Bulbine/Fadogia, I'd probably still give it a shot... but not for the AP or LJ in it.
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this is pretty much my thoughts on hpta also!!! the formula on the whole is very effective or i would not be endorsing it let alone repping for the company!!!

lately there have been several 50% off promos, but you can always save 35% by using code and link in my sig!!!
 
ucheoma said:
You're quoting old research from a convicted felon which has since been discredited in subsequent studies. We know it wasn't ZMA he was feeding his athletes!! ZMA may reverse test to baseline levels in males suffering from low levels of these minerals any may help increase test siightly in hypogonadal males but that's it. It has been shown to have little or no effect in healthy males. Happy if you can point to any reputable research which shows ZMA boosts test in healthy males and by what levels. And by the way there's tonnes of products that help you sleep better, doesn't qualify these as test boosters

As for the links on Bulgarian Tribulus, these are all nothing but marketing literature and hype! None of the articles demonstrate that the higher levels of saponins supposedly contained in BT leads to increased Test in healthy males. ALl they do is just claim how their tribulus is better than others. Would also be interested in in research/study published in a reputable journal rather than websites promoting Bulgarian tribulus
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I didn't know that Don Gauvreau was actually a convicted felon, where did you get that info? plus zma isn't about being a sleep supplement....its about increasing hgh which in turn has proven to increase test levels slightly. and neither link I showed you was any type of marketing towards a certain product. did you read the article at all? But as far as finding a legitimate research study in a journal...good luck. no journal is going to have such studies. its going to be under chemical research. But I'm not here to argue with you. If you find something that supports your theory just let me know. I'm up for any discussions all day.
 
JRSOLDJA said:
I didn't know that Don Gauvreau was actually a convicted felon, where did you get that info? plus zma isn't about being a sleep supplement....its about increasing hgh which in turn has proven to increase test levels slightly. and neither link I showed you was any type of marketing towards a certain product. did you read the article at all? But as far as finding a legitimate research study in a journal...good luck. no journal is going to have such studies. its going to be under chemical research. But I'm not here to argue with you. If you find something that supports your theory just let me know. I'm up for any discussions all day.
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Read your own research. Victor Conte who co authored the zma study was convicted on PED charges. There is no reputable study evidencing your claim of ZMA as a test booster. It is now more commonly and accurately marketed as a 'test support' supplement. On a personal note ZMA was the first test booster i used on my more naive days. I had bloodwork and what do you know! Zilch effect. As to the bulgarian tribulus i can only conclude you're having a laugh. I read the articles. Show me where they show this increases test levels in humans. Plse stop posting bro science.
 
ucheoma said:
Read your own research. Victor Conte who co authored the zma study was convicted on PED charges. There is no reputable study evidencing your claim of ZMA as a test booster. It is now more commonly and accurately marketed as a 'test support' supplement. On a personal note ZMA was the first test booster i used on my more naive days. I had bloodwork and what do you know! Zilch effect. As to the bulgarian tribulus i can only conclude you're having a laugh. I read the articles. Show me where they show this increases test levels in humans. Plse stop posting bro science.
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Your personal experience could just be the fact that you took a ****ty supplement...hate to say it...but they're out there. you gotta buy from reputable sources/companies. And any article you read is "bro science" just remember that. I've had my own bloodwork done while on ZMA and on Bulgarian Tribulus and both have show slight increases in test levels. but again......I've been posting my own experience, that's all. do your own chemical research. I don't need to do the work for you. Why don't you try it yourself? 1500 mg's of Bulgarian tribulus (the dark tribulus) and see how it works for you. seriously...you can read articles until you're blue in the face and still have no idea until you try it.
 
JRSOLDJA said:
Your personal experience could just be the fact that you took a ****ty supplement...hate to say it...but they're out there. you gotta buy from reputable sources/companies. And any article you read is "bro science" just remember that. I've had my own bloodwork done while on ZMA and on Bulgarian Tribulus and both have show slight increases in test levels. but again......I've been posting my own experience, that's all. do your own chemical research. I don't need to do the work for you. Why don't you try it yourself? 1500 mg's of Bulgarian tribulus (the dark tribulus) and see how it works for you. seriously...you can read articles until you're blue in the face and still have no idea until you try it.
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Well have to agree to disagree. You say it increased your test slightly but not by what amounts. This is your personal experience but not supported by any studies ive read or bloodwork carried out by users that ive seen. There are more cost effective test boosters (within limitations of what testboosters can do). I certainly would not be recommending zma or bt as best in class based on empirical data and research studies
 
ZMA is pretty much useless. Only thing I guess its good for is if you have a zinc deficiency, which everyone pretty much does unless they take multi vits

relying on ZMA to sleep is madness
 
I tend to agree. If you search "Zinc Rich Foods" or "Magnesium Rich Foods", I know I get enough just from my diet. But If you don't, it's cheap enough. But yeah, as a 'Test Booster'... Also, doesn't Calcium interfere with Zinc, Mag, and Cu absorption? Try to find a Multi that doesn't have Calcium. Random thoughts...
 
Joshlm69 said:
ZMA is pretty much useless. Only thing I guess its good for is if you have a zinc deficiency, which everyone pretty much does unless they take multi vits

relying on ZMA to sleep is madness
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i tend to agree....the stuff gives me terrible sleep and i try to stay away from it
 
JRSOLDJA said:
Alphamax is a pretty good all-in-one product. But I'm a huge believer in ZMA and BULGARIAN Tribulus. any other tribulus is a waste from my experience...i think universal nutrition still sells the bulgarian stuff...not sure though....
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Thanks for the support my man! Not only is Alphamax a great all in one, but it is an open label as well; no prop blends.
 
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