Best TD Test Base besides Trest

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Hey bros- going to run Epistane/Var in the next few weeks. Been off for 3 months and getting the itch again. Besides Dermacrine and Trest- is there anything like TD EpiAndro or Andro's? Cheers
 
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Hey bros- going to run Epistane/Var in the next few weeks. Been off for 3 months and getting the itch again. Besides Dermacrine and Trest- is there anything like TD EpiAndro or Andro's? Cheers
I'm not sure about this but why don't people ever talk about androgel? Isn't that just TD test?
 
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Lol, I dont think it's used in a anabolic way...mainly for dudes with limp willy and low libido. Its RX any anyhow, right?
 
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Lol, I dont think it's used in a anabolic way...mainly for dudes with limp willy and low libido. Its RX any anyhow, right?
I have a couple clients on it for low T and it brought it from low 200s to upper 400s. Not a huge jump but it brought it up regardless. It is by prescription but so is test. I don't know much about it but always wondered why it isn't used more.
 
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PT? I need something I can get with relative ease. I spent enough on the Var anyhow
 
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Im not looking for something really anabolic-- just something that will keep my libido up and mood. Strength gains would be a bonus. Is there any TD EpiAndro or Andros in general?
 
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Im not looking for something really anabolic-- just something that will keep my libido up and mood. Strength gains would be a bonus. Is there any TD EpiAndro or Andros in general?
They do make TD epiandro. I don't have a recommendation on any brands but you can find it with a Google search and read reviews. Can I ask why it has to be TD, it is not methylated.
 
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High dose oral Epiandro (300mg 3x day) and 11oxo (300mg 1-3x day) makes a damn good testosterone mimic. No need for TD, really
 
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Riddle me this: what determines whether a hormone can or can't be used as a test base? Anecdotal evidence as to such? Androgenic rating? You see Deca, Trest, Dien, Max LMG, Epiandro, and even Winstrol used sometimes, I have seen guys using dianabol and maintaining sexual function...
 
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High dose oral Epiandro (300mg 3x day) and 11oxo (300mg 1-3x day) makes a damn good testosterone mimic. No need for TD, really
I would like to run that, but I get hair shedding bad off DHT. Epistane and that together will be a nightmare, if I were to imagine. Stano fd me years ago.
 
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They do make TD epiandro. I don't have a recommendation on any brands but you can find it with a Google search and read reviews. Can I ask why it has to be TD, it is not methylated.
I like running something transdermal ... I dont want to run 3 orals at once
 
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Riddle me this: what determines whether a hormone can or can't be used as a test base? Anecdotal evidence as to such? Androgenic rating? You see Deca, Trest, Dien, Max LMG, Epiandro, and even Winstrol used sometimes, I have seen guys using dianabol and maintaining sexual function...
It keeps your libido and mood in check. Just bc they maintain wood doesnt mean they aren't shut down.
 
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It keeps your libido and mood in check. Just bc they maintain wood doesnt mean they aren't shut down.
I'm not talking about whether or not you're shut down. We're talking about replacing the function of testosterone.

So then anecdotal evidence? Also, do you know why some hormones maintain mood, libido, and sexual function and others don't?
 
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Oh, well I'm talking about a test base for shutdown purposes. I could care less of my test levels while I'm on.
 
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Oh, well I'm talking about a test base for shutdown purposes. I could care less of my test levels while I'm on.
Having a test base doesn't keep you from being shut down. It's there so that your functions are maintained, thusly replacing the function of testosterone.
 
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ooriginally we spread the idea of a "test base" to help with lethargy.. it was never meant to replace test.. and FFS it was brought about using DHEA as the test base.. 10 yr ago when we worked for LG. Rhadam and I came up with this **** and it has morphed into a bastard child that everyone lives by on this forum..

its become quite ridiculous.. now everyone thinks they NEED a test base.. but frankly you do not. and ALSO while im on the subject.. even pinning test as a "test base" is a joke because it really doesnt do **** to thwart lethargy. in fact ive come to believe lethargy is often dose related so adding more androgens is only going to exacerbate the problem.

now i will say that smart stacks have always had test in them so its not like there is no benefit to using it. just that ultimately in the big picture this theme has only been around for under a decade, yet AAS have been around more than half a century. and "back in the day" there was no test base theory to live by. if you can run real test, by all means go for it.. but if not dont bother. seriously.. your likely washing money down the drain for the perceived effects.
 
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ooriginally we spread the idea of a "test base" to help with lethargy.. it was never meant to replace test.. and FFS it was brought about using DHEA as the test base.. 10 yr ago when we worked for LG. Rhadam and I came up with this **** and it has morphed into a bastard child that everyone lives by on this forum..

its become quite ridiculous.. now everyone thinks they NEED a test base.. but frankly you do not. and ALSO while im on the subject.. even pinning test as a "test base" is a joke because it really doesnt do **** to thwart lethargy. in fact ive come to believe lethargy is often dose related so adding more androgens is only going to exacerbate the problem.

now i will say that smart stacks have always had test in them so its not like there is no benefit to using it. just that ultimately in the big picture this theme has only been around for under a decade, yet AAS have been around more than half a century. and "back in the day" there was no test base theory to live by. if you can run real test, by all means go for it.. but if not dont bother. seriously.. your likely washing money down the drain for the perceived effects.
You win the riddle. It's called "androgenic lethargy" for a reason. And you're right. The words test base never hit my eyes or ears til I came to this scene this year. Before it was just "better" to take test with most things. Got sides from Deca "oh yeah you need to take test with that then " That's all it ever was. Lots of guys took whatever all by itself for the past fifty years.

In reality any androgen can replace the functions of testosterone when you take it, so long as it's androgenic enough. The moment it's too much, you're going to get tired and lazy. More steroids likely won't fix that, but altering the dosage or ratio can.

That's what I was getting at, just trying to make it fun is all.

There was no prize. Sorry.
 
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You win the riddle. It's called "androgenic lethargy" for a reason. And you're right. The words test base never hit my eyes or ears til I came to this scene this year. Before it was just "better" to take test with most things. Got sides from Deca "oh yeah you need to take test with that then " That's all it ever was. Lots of guys took whatever all by itself for the past fifty years.

In reality any androgen can replace the functions of testosterone when you take it, so long as it's androgenic enough. The moment it's too much, you're going to get tired and lazy. More steroids likely won't fix that, but altering the dosage or ratio can.

That's what I was getting at, just trying to make it fun is all.

There was no prize. Sorry.
D**n!
I came here just for the prize.
 
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lol people never even caught onto the "test base" choice of wording..

think suspension and what do you get ??

you know, since we are playing riddles!`~
 
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Evidence or not, I have done cycles were I haven't felt like I had the flu- that was in my early 20s. Now in my early 30s, I feel lethargic sometimes when I'm on. This isnt some feeling in my head, certain compounds run me down. When I take a "broscience test base" whether its placebo or not. It works. And for those who spend 300-400 on an 8 week cycle, I want to get my whole nut. I dont want to be laying in bed not wanting to scratch my Scrote. Cheers
 
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So back to the topic, is there a mother loving TD andro on the market? Lmfao. Christ
 
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Evidence or not, I have done cycles were I haven't felt like I had the flu- that was in my early 20s. Now in my early 30s, I feel lethargic sometimes when I'm on. This isnt some feeling in my head, certain compounds run me down. When I take a "broscience test base" whether its placebo or not. It works. And for those who spend 300-400 on an 8 week cycle, I want to get my whole nut. I dont want to be laying in bed not wanting to scratch my Scrote. Cheers
no one is saying certain anabolic androgenic steroids dont cause mood swings and or other mental issues, obviously some of them impact the body in unique ways. hell even the PH 1 andro kicks my dick in the dirt at 300mgs.. and that right there isnt too high of an androgen load, it would seem right?

my point is, unless you use real test, you are not really doing dick all but washing money away. and sometimes making the issue worse. also i wasnt attacking you about it and it seems like you feel offended like someone was calling you out. not the case bro. just trying to help a brother out with good advice, instead of this "gotta have a test base that's not test" mentality going on in this forum ... (of which i am part of the cause)

remember this was started to sell more M1D from LG sciences. i cant take it back at this point but i sure as hell can tell the truth.
 
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So back to the topic, is there a mother loving TD andro on the market? Lmfao. Christ
Yes musclegelz has quite a few I saw. For the right dose of Andros, you're probably looking at dropping $300 for a cycle of it and have to take a bath in this cream twice a day. Sorry man but it just doesn't make sense. Regardless of TD or caps it's converting to DHT.
 
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So back to the topic, is there a mother loving TD andro on the market? Lmfao. Christ
alpha gainz has or had an epi TD so start there..

i, like old witch, like this compound as it illicits a cellular energy and strength output of much stronger hormones when its dose accordingly... even orally

VL sells epi andro in 300 mg caps .. so getting 1200-1500 mgs a day is easy and quite affordable..

i love how strong it makes you at the end of a cycle.
 
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alpha gainz has or had an epi TD so start there..

i, like old witch, like this compound as it illicits a cellular energy and strength output of much stronger hormones when its dose accordingly... even orally

VL sells epi andro in 300 mg caps .. so getting 1200-1500 mgs a day is easy and quite affordable..

i love how strong it makes you at the end of a cycle.
I've got to try that.
 

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Buy alpha gainz transdermal 4 dhea. Will prevent lethargy
 
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I've got to try that.
dude... i will be running 1 bottle at the end of every cycle from now on~ at that dose a bottle last about 20 days.. and at the end of a long cycle its awesome to realise an improved strength curve so late in a cycle.
 
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Yes musclegelz has quite a few I saw. For the right dose of Andros, you're probably looking at dropping $300 for a cycle of it and have to take a bath in this cream twice a day. Sorry man but it just doesn't make sense. Regardless of TD or caps it's converting to DHT.
You're right. Dermacrine or bust then. Cheers bro
 
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no one is saying certain anabolic androgenic steroids dont cause mood swings and or other mental issues, obviously some of them impact the body in unique ways. hell even the PH 1 andro kicks my dick in the dirt at 300mgs.. and that right there isnt too high of an androgen load, it would seem right?

my point is, unless you use real test, you are not really doing dick all but washing money away. and sometimes making the issue worse. also i wasnt attacking you about it and it seems like you feel offended like someone was calling you out. not the case bro. just trying to help a brother out with good advice, instead of this "gotta have a test base that's not test" mentality going on in this forum ... (of which i am part of the cause)

remember this was started to sell more M1D from LG sciences. i cant take it back at this point but i sure as hell can tell the truth.
I appreciate you sir, I wasnt truly mad, apologizes if it came off that way. That's why I wrote lmao at the end. Thank you for your opinion Ripper, the way you elaborated above makes much more sense now. Much more.
 
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alpha gainz has or had an epi TD so start there..

i, like old witch, like this compound as it illicits a cellular energy and strength output of much stronger hormones when its dose accordingly... even orally

VL sells epi andro in 300 mg caps .. so getting 1200-1500 mgs a day is easy and quite affordable..

i love how strong it makes you at the end of a cycle.
Do you think TD Epi will be less on the DHT sides? Honestly I can manage any side besides BP or Hair Shedding. The shedding being the main culprit with these DHT compounds...
 
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Do you think TD Epi will be less on the DHT sides? Honestly I can manage any side besides BP or Hair Shedding. The shedding being the main culprit with these DHT compounds...
I haven't tried Epiandro (TD or oral) yet. But it's on my list.
I shave my head, so shedding isn't an issue for me.
But I would guess that TD Epi (and oral) would cause shedding.
 
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tbh i dont really hear about that much if at all.. i mean hear people asking this same question, but i never really see anyone complaining about it..

also as ive stated in other threads, PHs have a very short half life, and only convert as much as you have enzymes floating around in your blood stream.

because of this short lived action i find it rather hard to think it would have too much of an impact on the scalp. if you are worried about it run some rogain while using it. should be fine tho without.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt 4 Andro used for more of the "feel good" hormone over 1 Andro? Going to run the Alpha Gainz 4 Andro from what I'm reading. 4 Andro is not DHT based compound, right?
 
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tbh i dont really hear about that much if at all.. i mean hear people asking this same question, but i never really see anyone complaining about it..

also as ive stated in other threads, PHs have a very short half life, and only convert as much as you have enzymes floating around in your blood stream.

because of this short lived action i find it rather hard to think it would have too much of an impact on the scalp. if you are worried about it run some rogain while using it. should be fine tho without.
I feel you, Stano wrecked my hairline, and I'm 100% Italian with the thickest head of hair you could imagine. I have to keep my hair short now, not that I'm angry...but it's one of the reasons I never ran Winny. Happens to my buddy too, clumps falling out while on. Sad state of affairs.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt 4 Andro used for more of the "feel good" hormone over 1 Andro? Going to run the Alpha Gainz 4 Andro from what I'm reading. 4 Andro is not DHT based compound, right?
targets test as its final step.. i think this is considered a 3 or 4 step PH.. not super effective by the numbers.. but like you said, feel good hormone is a good way to put this one.. its nothing like old skool 4ad for test conversion but as it gets processed and converted to downstream metabolites, they in and of them selves likely cause an additive effect. in laymens terms your probably getting the good feels from this entire chain of hormones as a whole including their metabolites. very much the same way that older guys who ingest DHEA get a sense of well being, because when there is low test even DHEA will take this specific route to target test.
 
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targets test as its final step.. i think this is considered a 3 or 4 step PH.. not super effective by the numbers.. but like you said, feel good hormone is a good way to put this one.. its nothing like old skool 4ad for test conversion but as it gets processed and converted to downstream metabolites, they in and of them selves likely cause an additive effect. in laymens terms your probably getting the good feels from this entire chain of hormones as a whole including their metabolites. very much the same way that older guys who ingest DHEA get a sense of well being, because when there is low test even DHEA will take this specific route to target test.
Ripper- appreciate the knowledge sir. Will I need 2 bottles? I'm only 160lbs, but I need it to last 8 weeks...
 
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Ripper- appreciate the knowledge sir. Will I need 2 bottles? I'm only 160lbs, but I need it to last 8 weeks...
if your referring to 4 andro i wouldnt want to dictate a dose for you. i recomend you base dosing on manufactures recommendation and go up from there..
especially if you go TD, the thing about PHs (again i beat this like a dead horse) they can only convert to target via enzymes in your bloodstream.. there probably has to be a certain enzyme to convert the hormone in any direction.. weather it ends up as an estrogen or androgen ect comes down to what kind and how much of the enzymes you have. the skin is much different than the stomach. so you might have a huge affinity for that particular enzyme and it does wonders.. or the opposite could happen too.. your skin may not have much converting enzymes to go around and thus have a somewhat bland effect.. in which case you would try to increase the dosage as well as move the application point.. its said that the neck and shoulder area houses the most of these enzymes so start there... and play around with it.. i slather TDs... on my traps shoulders inner arms inner thighs tops of feet.. all locations of really thin skin which helps with penetration
 
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sorry i keep writing books in your thread..
i apparently have alot to say today lol
 
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sorry i keep writing books in your thread..
i apparently have alot to say today lol
LOL so 2 bottles you would say? I ran 5-6 pumps of dermacrine when the label only said 3 at my weight.
 
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LOL so 2 bottles you would say? I ran 5-6 pumps of dermacrine when the label only said 3 at my weight.
at least!
grab an extra just in case~
 
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Those alpha Gainz TDs are dirt cheap. 20 bucks for stano, 30 for androsterone, 40 for 1 and 4 DHEA... I bought a few bottles of the stano earlier this year to try.

I see they also make some SARMS...

Anyway, my own little bit of advice, if you use 4 andro make sure to dose very often because it's fairly short lived.
 
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Those alpha Gainz TDs are dirt cheap. 20 bucks for stano, 30 for androsterone, 40 for 1 and 4 DHEA... I bought a few bottles of the stano earlier this year to try.

I see they also make some SARMS...

Anyway, my own little bit of advice, if you use 4 andro make sure to dose very often because it's fairly short lived.
Stano td is 100mg epiandro per ml right? So to get the most recommended dose of about 900mg, that would be 1/3 of the bottle each day. Now take into account a 30% absorbtion rate that's actually an entire bottle per day. This doesn't sound right so correct me if I'm wrong. Did you try it yet? What dose do you plan to use?
 
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Stano td is 100mg epiandro per ml right? So to get the most recommended dose of about 900mg, that would be 1/3 of the bottle each day. Now take into account a 30% absorbtion rate that's actually an entire bottle per day. This doesn't sound right so correct me if I'm wrong. Did you try it yet? What dose do you plan to use?
You're not entirely wrong, but oral doesn't 100% absorb either. I was using 3ml a day, looking back I would add an oral dose as well. That way you get the instant gratification of an oral and the time release of TD. Because it really is impossible to slather on enough of this stuff in one day. If you're already buying something like VL dark carnival, a couple bottle of AG Stano TD would do well to enhance the effects.
 
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i dont think you would need 900 per day with a TD.. orally your getting like what 5% into the blood? if that.. if your getting 30-40% through the skin, you can keep your dose around 500.. yet im betting they dont recommend that much..
 
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alpha gainz has or had an epi TD so start there..

i, like old witch, like this compound as it illicits a cellular energy and strength output of much stronger hormones when its dose accordingly... even orally

VL sells epi andro in 300 mg caps .. so getting 1200-1500 mgs a day is easy and quite affordable..

i love how strong it makes you at the end of a cycle.
What is the coupon code for VL, they have 15% off right now.
What on cycle and pct do you need for the VL epi andro?
 
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What is the coupon code for VL, they have 15% off right now.
What on cycle and pct do you need for the VL epi andro?
its posted in the VL company page, Your choice of on cycle and for PCT i would do what you normally do. although you will not feel too suppressed, you should still make precautions for any spikes in estrogen once you come off.. anything in the 900+ mgs range and this stuff gets pretty good for strength gains, which tells me it binds pretty tightly to the androgen receptor.
 

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I used 2ml per day of transdermal stano from alpha gainz. 200mg td felt like 500mg oral
 
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