Best standalone?
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strategicmove
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A potent nutrient partitioner.
Hurleyboy05
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fat free cottage cheese
ksa
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BigNemo
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agreed dont forget the formastane :bb2:
bigpoppapump2
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yeashescool
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Rpm
goslamacamel
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I'm halfway through a container of Poseidon and really felt nothing tangible with it other than some niacin flushes. The only thing I *think* happened was I would tend to sweat a little more when taking it preworkout. That's about it.
Took it mainly looking to get clean energy every day I don't take caffeine in the morning, but all that would happen is I would have more frequent bowel movements. I just don't understand the whole Poseidon obsession now, and it's the kind of hype you'd expect from something with at least some tangible positive effect.
Not bashing it in any way of course, just don't know why it's such a staple. Maybe it has long-term health benefits or something?
poopypants
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just ALA will do it too... do you know if there is any benifit to na-rala over ALA trip? and I agree very cheap way to increase nutrient repartitioning
strategicmove
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As you know, standard ALA is made up of two forms, the "S" form and the biologically active "R" form. Basically, Na-RALA is based on the more biologically active "R" form. Beyond this, the RLA (or RALA) in Na-RALA is stabilized with a sodium (Na) salt (= Sodium R-Alpha Lipoate, I believe). This is significant because ordinary ALA, or even non-stabilized RLA, polymerizes rather promptly on exposure to light, heat or moisture. Na-RALA, on the other hand, has a long shelf-life (three or so years) even without refrigeration.poopypants; said:
Something else. Each serving of a typical Na-RALA product should contain less than 1% or so of the recommended daily consumption of sodium, and so should have no adverse impact whatever on blood pressure. Besides, the only form of sodium known to impact blood pressure is common salt (sodium chloride).
Net, Na-RALA demonstrates significantly more stability than standard ALA and contains dramatically more bioavailable and active lipoic acid per mg than standard ALA.
strategicmove
Legend
I may be wrong, but I thought the specific tannins in Anabolic Pump would elevate GLUT-4 levels in skeletal muscle cells (allowing glucose intake), but down-regulate the activation of GLUT-4 in fat cells. If this is correct, I am not sure the same mechanism can be replicated by lipoic acid, as lipoic acid would activate GLUT-4 in both muscle and fat cells.TripDog; said:
Australian made
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Dang, i've been looking more and more into getting some of this stuff recently. IS available in bulk which is what i like. AP is the bomb!
OCCFan023
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Thats what I took away from the write up on AP and is also why I shell out the extra bucks for AP over bulk ALA. I wondered how it was able to be so specific but I'm a chemistry/nutrition n00b.
Awesome posts Strategic.
TripDog
Bananas
To be honest im not really sure about that. I'm not bashing anabolic pump at all, I just personally use Na-Rala and always will.
Awesome post on ALA stratigic!!
strategicmove
Legend
TripDog; said:
No hassles, Trip! I did not even get the impression you intended to do any bashing.
. Na-RALA is a very potent and versatile compound, no question. You can't go wrong there!TripDog; said:
Thanks! Vielen Dank!
OCCFan023
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Curious have you used AP yet or just content with Na-Rala? If it works for you thats awesome from a cost perspective and why change what works? It be interested though to see if you had noted any tangible differences between the two.
strategicmove
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OCCFan023; said:
Assuming for a second that Anabolic Pump and Na-RALA are equally effective at preferential activation of GLUT-4 cells, whether or not NA-RALA is more cost-effective depends on the daily dosages used to achieve the same results as Anabolic Pump. Assuming one doses Na-RALA at 1000mg daily (= about 1400mg of RLA), this will amount to about $1.40 per day at the current NutraPlanet price of about $35.00 for Na-RALA 25g. About the same daily cost of Anabolic Pump. More or less Na-RALA may be required. A lot of assumptions here, I know, but you get the drift
TripDog
Bananas
No I never tried anabolic pump. I like the fact Na-rala is also a VERY potent antioxidant, and has great synergy with coQ-10.
OCCFan023
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Assuming for a second that Anabolic Pump and Na-RALA are equally effective at preferential activation of GLUT-4 cells, whether or not NA-RALA is more cost-effective depends on the daily dosages used to achieve the same results as Anabolic Pump. Assuming one doses Na-RALA at 1000mg daily (= about 1400mg of RLA), this will amount to about $1.40 per day at the current NutraPlanet price of about $35.00 for Na-RALA 25g. About the same daily cost of Anabolic Pump. More or less Na-RALA may be required. A lot of assumptions here, I know, but you get the drift
Personally I have never tried Na-RALA so I haven't had to dose it. Is there an amount that is directed to be taken with a certain amount of carbs or is it just divided throughout the day for health benefits and to keep a constant regulation of glut-4 enhancement?
Very true. I have been thinking about picking some up from nutra (the coQ-10) since they carry NOWs line but wasn't sure if it would truly be beneficial for someone my age, but you may have swayed me. How much are you dosing a day, 100-300mg?
TripDog
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I only take 50 or 100mg a day.(50mg on non workout days, and 100mg on workout days)
IvyLeaguePump
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How would JW be as a stand alone?
dhuge67
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How many mg per meal? Per day?