Best stack?

Jcthree

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Hello

I was wondering if someone could give me some insight.

I have done trenbolone before, a bunch of ph's, deca, etc.. I really have never run into any issues with anything..

I have a bunch of stuff here and trying to figure out what would give me size but really cut me up as well.

I have a bottle of xtren, mdrol, pplex, TRI methyl x 2010, and I have winny 50 bd pills.

I was thinking of doing the x tren and winny, but then I was thinking the mdrol/pplex might be better and I would save the other stuff for another cycle.

In the past I have always just taken these things, I would take a cycle assist and a multi vit while I was on, then pct assist and novedex xt for a pct.

In saying all this what do you guys think? Can someone help me do this the right way this time?

Thx
JC
 
First off don't take this the wrong way, but at your height and weight you could definitely stand to put on a few more pounds naturally. I am your height and weight and didn't start taking any type of juice until I hit 200 lbs, and some might even consider this a low body weight to start at.

Secondly do some more research, on a proper PCT. Novedex XT is made by Gaspari and is available over the counter (OTC); Novedex XT is not the prescription drug Nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate), the two share similar names and is a point of confusion for many newbies it seems. All of the PH's and roids listed above would require a SERM for PCT, like Nolva, Clomid, Torem, etc.
 
It's ok, I don't take it the wrong way, but I do realize the diff between the novedex xt and the real stuff. My weight shouldn't have anything to do with it though. I did a cycle or propadrol, hemodrol and deca about 6 months ago and got great results. I was about 189lbs at the end of that cycle, I am also 33yrs old.

I had to take about a month off from the gym do to my job. I am about to start again and after about a good month of training I would like to do a cycle. I am just looking for some guidence on what people think would be the best one to take.

I did actually use clomid with novedex xt as a pct after my deca cycle 6 months ago. I have some knowledge just looking for a little more.
 
Gotcha. I am big advocate of gaining as much as you can naturally, and going from there, but to each their own. The reason I brought up weight, any type of juice is most beneficial when one has reached their maximum genetic potential in terms of muscle mass, using it before you've reached greatest potential can hinder future gains.

I am sure some others will chime on in this and give you some good advice. I still recommend more research.
 
I know, I actually believe in the same thing. That's why I said my age cause I have been working out for years. No matter how hard or how good my diet is I am not getting over 180lbs. Lol. But I have taken deca, enantate, sust 250, ph's, etc and no matter what I take I get awesome results.

Like I said I never have any issues, but I want to start doing it right and make sure I taking the righ stuff.
 
Does anyone have any input on this?

I actually think I decided to do the following stack:

x-tren 90/90/90/90/90/90
mdrol: 10/20/20/0/0/0

Support:
Pre-load 2 weeks: Anabolic Xtreme Perfect Cycle
NOW ADAM Daily
FISH OIL & CoQ10

Start the 2nd week I will start taking:
TesTo-Rex Anti-Estrogen & Anti-Aromatase Complex Testosterone Booster Tribulus Chrysin by PowerNutra

PCT:
CEL PCT Assist
Advanced PCT by Anabolic Xtreme
TesTo-Rex Anti-Estrogen & Anti-Aromatase Complex Testosterone Booster Tribulus Chrysin by PowerNutra


*** Instead of Advance PCT by AX I was thinking of changing it to, Recycle 100ct Post Cycle Therapy ***
 
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Post your typical diet on here. Just hard to believe u can't reach 180 naturally...post it and we can critique it for you
 
R1balla said:
Nova is NOT a pct. You need to get nolva and throw in pct assist and free test.
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I said the same thing above.

OP: All of the products you are planning to run will require a SERM, in order to help control estrogen rebound and to help you maintain your gains.
 
Okay, my diet its very good.. Usually, 8 egg whites and 1 yolk in morn with protein shake, 15 almonds and oatmeal 2 hrs after that, 2hrs after, Protein shake, 2 hrs after a rice patty and chicken breast, then 2 hrs after a tilapia filet with brown rice, then usually protein shake, then another chicken breast and cup of jello or popsicles sugar free ones.. that's a typical day, I will change it up and add in broccoli and spinach usually as well here and there..

What is the best serm out there ans where to get? I used to be able to get clomid but can't get it anymore. What do you guys suggest and how does everything else look. I can't find nolva either.
 
Jcthree said:
I know, I actually believe in the same thing. That's why I said my age cause I have been working out for years. No matter how hard or how good my diet is I am not getting over 180lbs. Lol. But I have taken deca, enantate, sust 250, ph's, etc and no matter what I take I get awesome results.

Like I said I never have any issues, but I want to start doing it right and make sure I taking the righ stuff.
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With all those cycles you should be huge! Obviously your diet is not sufficient to maintain your gains.

R1balla said:
Post your typical diet on here. Just hard to believe u can't reach 180 naturally...post it and we can critique it for you
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What He said
 
Best SERM imo is Toremifene but Clomid and Nolva will work. You need a SERM, however if you decide to go without one the best OTC PCT there is is the

Supplement stack for maximum Testosterone stimulation
Sustain Alpha surges LH & FSH levels to increase low testosterone
Toco-8 sensitizes the testes to the effects of LH & FSH
EndoAmp Max amplifies testosterone and growth hormone
A legal & natural Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) alternative
 
p5sky said:
With all those cycles you should be huge! Obviously your diet is not sufficient to maintain your gains.
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People do not understand this concept AT ALL! Sure juice will get you bigger, but once your off of it, if you arent eating to support your new weight, your going to shrink back, eventually, to your old weight. EAT right now, like the weight you want to be. (eat like your 195 or w/e ur goal is). you obviously do NOT have diet in check to put on weight or gain weight naturally. with all those steroids you have taken, you should be way past your goal weight.
 
ryansm said:
Best SERM imo is Toremifene but Clomid and Nolva will work. You need a SERM, however if you decide to go without one the best OTC PCT there is is the

Supplement stack for maximum Testosterone stimulation
Sustain Alpha surges LH & FSH levels to increase low testosterone
Toco-8 sensitizes the testes to the effects of LH & FSH
EndoAmp Max amplifies testosterone and growth hormone
A legal & natural Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) alternative
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Im the total thread hijacker today lol, Torem seems to be really good according to Dr.D have you used it ? (obviously in pct) . I asked(hijacked that thread)on the thread titled "Which for PCT" and R1balla had some info on what nolva and clomid were made intially for, thanks again R1 but he hasnt used torem yet, I have liquid nolva but considering torem or clomid my next cycle is h-drol/furuza, should be starting it next weekend basically. thanks ryansm
 
fightclub2012 said:
Im the total thread hijacker today lol, Torem seems to be really good according to Dr.D have you used it ? (obviously in pct) . I asked(hijacked that thread)on the thread titled "Which for PCT" and R1balla had some info on what nolva and clomid were made intially for, thanks again R1 but he hasnt used torem yet, I have liquid nolva but considering torem or clomid my next cycle is h-drol/furuza, should be starting it next weekend basically. thanks ryansm
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God damn it I answered you in the other thread, AND HERE I AM, ANSWERING THIS **** AGAIN!!! :squintfinger::squintfinger::squintfinger:

just kidding. :shock:

Toremifene is a great SERM. Does not lower IGF-1 or GH, just a little more expensive, as most quality supplements/pharmceuticals are.
 
BigBlackGuy said:
God damn it I answered you in the other thread, AND HERE I AM, ANSWERING THIS **** AGAIN!!! :squintfinger::squintfinger::squintfinger:

just kidding. :shock:

Toremifene is a great SERM. Does not lower IGF-1 or GH, just a little more expensive, as most quality supplements/pharmceuticals are.
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lmao I know I just read that, its all good bro, big props
 
I understand about my diet, and when I have taken anything in the past I eat like I am 390lbs, lol. However, I don't want to be huge I like being where I was last time I was on.. I did propadrol/hemodrol/Deca stack. I was about 190 9% bf and i am about 6ft.. for a pct I just took tribulous, novedex xt, multi-vit and then for two weeks at the end of my pct I took clomid.. and I kept my gains and had no issues at all..

I think i can get my hands on nolva or clomid again, so if i can should I still take novedex Dr or reveristol as well as advanced pct by ax with the nolva or clomid?
 
fightclub2012 said:
Im the total thread hijacker today lol, Torem seems to be really good according to Dr.D have you used it ? (obviously in pct) . I asked(hijacked that thread)on the thread titled "Which for PCT" and R1balla had some info on what nolva and clomid were made intially for, thanks again R1 but he hasnt used torem yet, I have liquid nolva but considering torem or clomid my next cycle is h-drol/furuza, should be starting it next weekend basically. thanks ryansm
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Love it, noticeable difference over Nolva/Clomid, will be trying Raloxifene next.
 
im not trying to be rude to you man. i just dont like when people result to steroids when they can get it naturally. you will do what you want, i know. but if u kept ur gains at 190, why r u 177? and i hope u dont eat like your 390...u will be fat lol as far as PCT, Nolva or Clomid with PCT Assist and a test booster. thats what i always suggest.
 
I know what your saying, I will explain. I havent worked out in 2months because of a variety if reasons. New baby, job, etc. So I will be starting back soon.. I will work out hard and eat good for at least a couple months before I do this stack. I have done steroids/phs so many times and had great results its kinda hard not to again.

But, I do try to get gains naturally first.

Now let me ask another question that you wont be happy about, LOL. Would I be better off stacking Deca and xtren? I always have liked deca and had great results with it. Back 6 years ago I did tren (real stuff) and got great results. Now there was a product out a while ago called halo t-400 that a took a few times and got awesome results on too. So, I am kinda torn on what to take because I have so I have so many options.
 
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Jcthree said:
I know what your saying, I will explain. I havent worked out in 2months because of a variety if reasons. New baby, job, etc. So I will be starting back soon.. I will work out hard and eat good for at least a couple months before I do this stack. I have done steroids/phs so many times and had great results its kinda hard not to again.

But, I do try to get gains naturally first.

Now let me ask another question that you wont be happy about, LOL. Would I be better off stacking Deca and xtren? I always have liked deca and had great results with it. Back 6 years ago I did tren (real stuff) and got great results. Now there was a product out a while ago called halo t-400 that a took a few times and got awesome results on too. So, I am kinda torn on what to take because I have so I have so many options.
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bahahaha. you could do that.
 
Jcthree said:
Okay, my diet its very good.. Usually, 8 egg whites and 1 yolk in morn with protein shake, 15 almonds and oatmeal 2 hrs after that, 2hrs after, Protein shake, 2 hrs after a rice patty and chicken breast, then 2 hrs after a tilapia filet with brown rice, then usually protein shake, then another chicken breast and cup of jello or popsicles sugar free ones.. that's a typical day, I will change it up and add in broccoli and spinach usually as well here and there..

What is the best serm out there ans where to get? I used to be able to get clomid but can't get it anymore. What do you guys suggest and how does everything else look. I can't find nolva either.
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Oatmeal, rice cakes and sugar free Popsicles? Dude, eat a freakin steak and have some sweet potatoes. You cannot bulk on that high-protein low-fat low-carb diet.
 
So you think the deca and tren is a good idea really? I got great results with the prop, hemo, deca.. I do eat a ton of steak, I am not trying to be huge I want to maintain my abs and leaness at the same time.
 
well if you just eat carbs in moderation and the right timing as well as the right carbs they're not that bad I have an 8 pack and haven't had a problem maintaining it
 
Jcthree said:
well if you just eat carbs in moderation and the right timing as well as the right carbs they're not that bad I have an 8 pack and haven't had a problem maintaining it
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you might have to give up 2 of your 8 to gain some mass, eat more meat, chicken, fish and anything that bleeds lol. I know you want to keep your lean body but sometimes you have to sacrifice a little to take it to the next level, I was 160lbs and did my first cycle(hdrol) and went to 168lbs(that was about 2 years ago, I had all support supps, serm and all (I shouldve waited tho) I didnt know any better, but Ive learned a lot about MY diet, training smarter, resting(sleep), and the right supps etc. And Im still learning how and why MY body responds to all the above. since then, I gained LBM with out ph's and went from 168lbs to 189lbs(as of today) my bf is aroung 6-7%, Now Im ready to do a proper cycle, Im more experience, diet is tons better etc.. Basically you shouldnt lose 15-10lbs of LBM you need to take a closer look at you diet, and water consumption etc, damn im rambling again :lmao: but you get the picture.
 
Jcthree said:
well if you just eat carbs in moderation and the right timing as well as the right carbs they're not that bad I have an 8 pack and haven't had a problem maintaining it
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if im bulking....i eat a LOT of carbs. and i can not keep any abs while doing that
 
So I stocked up on different PCT's still trying to decide which is the best to take. I think I am def going to do the Mdrol/Xtren stack.. I can get my hands on Nolva for a serm..

I am still undecided as which else to take for my pct and when to start it, usually i start my pct the last week of my cycle. I have in my hands to choose from Advanced PCT by AX, Reveristol, Novedex and PCT Assist by CEL.. What and how do you guys think I shuold do my pct?

I was thinking Advanced PCT by AX, Reveristol, and Cycle Assist as well as Nolva? Starting all of those the last week of my cycle.

Thoughts?
 
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