Best Stack For Someone Looking for a change

workaholic

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Let me start off by saying i understand I will probably be getting a lot of crap for creating a thread and being new to this entire forum scene. I didn't quite know where to start because I am new, but from the numerous forums i've read on here there are a lot of intelligent people that could really help me! Also I completely agree that the best supplement is food its self! It is the primary reason for growth and diet is one of the most crucial, yet over looked items in gaining mass. However, with todays science it is very ignorant to not view supplementation as a viable outside source for help! If its there why not take it! Anyways, I know i'll probably get a lot of crap about food first, and what not, but I just though I'd prelude with a little paragrah showing I'm not a complete idiot asking what magic pill will give me a six pack while adding on 20 pounds of muscle to my frame.
So heres my question:
What is a the best stack of supplements for someone looking to mix things up. I've tried a lot of the name brand, NO explode, super pump, expand kre alyk etc. I'm looking for something possibly a little deaper, maybe some BCAA (although BCAA aren't really going much deeper into a BB arsenal), a different creatine, etc. I am also thinking about a pro hormone stack. If you feel that a pro hormone is the best way to go please provide a post cycle therapy.
Some of my criteria:
Taste is always a major concern, it doesn't have to taste great, it just cant take like it belongs coming out the other end than in my mouth.
a cycle of 6 to 12 weeks. I know 12 weeks can be too much for some cycles, so adjust accordingly.
Price, i'm not a billionaire, but I do have a few bucks laying around
safety, I'm not completely sold on the safety of every product and supplement out there.
test boosters, natural or synthetic, I am only 19 years of age, and have been training for just over 2 years for what I consider fairly intense. From what i've read my test levels are already soaring right now, is this really the right direction to be going?
Basically I'm looking for a pre-workout to give me a boost in the gym, and other supplements that promote muscle growth and strenght. Looking for an economical choice, relatively safe, legallity doesn't really bother me, and something away from just simpley BSN No explode! I know theres a lot of great minds out there that can provide better information than that stock standard response of NO Explode. Sorry for the long post, I just wanted to make sure I fully explained myself and don't sound like a complete nube.
 
With a "soaring" testosterone level, and being 19, prohormones are definitely not where you want to go.

When it comes down to it, with my limited experience and the general advice given is do the research, try some things out and go with what works best for YOU!

No matter what, make sure your diet is exactly what it needs to be. For example, if you are bulking, you need LOTS of protein (1x your body weight at least), a ton of good carbs and about 20 % of your calorie intake should be from fat.

With that in mind, your first supplementation should be protein and carbs if you don't meet your nutritional needs with whole foods.

IMO, you absolutely must have a decent multi vitamin, even if it is the Flintstones multi vits (as I've seen quoted somewhere).

The next step is making sure you are meeting your omega 3 needs. It's a huge must for a million reasons and since it's an essential acid, you need to get it from an external source such as fish or flaxseed oil.

Everyone has a different opinion about creatine. Mine is if you mix it with a delivery system such as waxy maize carbs, it works like a charm and is cheaper than bottled water.

From there it's all fun and games. NO2 products for those fun pumps, beta alanine for it's "tingle" and use for battling lactic acid, various fat burning thermogenic supps if you are cutting, BCAA's are always great for their anti-catabolic attributes, etc etc etc etc
 
I agree with the previous post, being young I think you should look at supplementation that will help you nutritionally.
 
clout/any blend of poseidon/extend. clout is made by MAN, poseidon by nimbus, extend by scivation. if you follow dosing directions of these 3 products you will not only make gains, but feel healthier at same time. good luck.
 
+1 on the chicken, rice and PB.... A good diet is the best way to really see gains, supplements only add a little extra
 
Force of Green said:
Wait until you're an old fart like me.
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Yeah, you're so ancient, FOG. ;)

Workaholic - no PH's for 19-year-olds! You still have enough test naturally that gains should be no prob with proper diet and a few choice supps.

I personally don't use or like NO products; I just have a self-made "cocktail" that I start drinkin' about 20-30mins pre-workout and finish in the middle of workout. Post-workout, I wait a half-hour and have another similar shake. In these two "peri-workout" drinks I always put Dextrose, Maltodextrin, BCAAs, Creatine Mono. Right now, i've been taking a Beta-Alanine product with the pre-workout one, and in the post-wo I put whey protein. Good solid stuff and it's way cheaper to buy it all bulk and mix it yourself than buy brand names of essentially the same stuff.

A good multi is a must - do a little research and you can find some pretty cheap.

If you're looking for a good non-hormaonal anabolic I'd say first Forskolin - I've gained a lot a muscle with it's help over the past few years (went from 185 to 230). If you want something more special check out powerfull or IGF-2.

And of course, you can't have enough FISH OIL
 
work: try something along these lines:

Creatine monohydrate powder: tried tested and proven effective. Cheap as dirt too. Readily gives up phosphate to adp to convert back into atp. More energy for cells in theory means you should be able to push harder and build up more.
Gatorade powder: Take it with your creatine. Has dextrose in it, which helps with the creatine absorbtion/transportation into the cells to help recycle adp->atp. Make sure it is the powder though, as the other pre-made gatorades don't have dextrose in them. Pretty cheap too.
fish oil: for efa (essential fatty acids)
multivitamin: Pick one that you like. I use the walmart equate brand. I personally take 2/day. It comes in a 300 count bottle and pretty cheap.
Whey protein: Almost forgot that. Good for an extra source of protein, but don't rely too heavily on it. A decent meal (grilled chicken, brown rice and veggies as loosely stated above) will trump over protein shakes any day.

Best of luck, and please wait to try ph's/steroids. It may be tempting now, but you'll be glad you waited. Just try explaining that to the other forum user that declines sound advice from many other knowledgeable forum users :rolleyes:

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Hey thanks for all of the sound advice and help! I do a lot of research on my own but its nice to hear from an actual person with experience and get away from all the advertisement ploys. I really like hearing the specific combinations people have tried and really like, keep 'em coming!
 
I strongly agree. Eat right and a lot take supplements and lift all you can lift. But i don't recommended tiring any cycles until your older. Just some friendly advice. Your body has to much to offer right now at your younger age. Good Luck
 
ecu19 said:
work: try something along these lines:

Creatine monohydrate powder: tried tested and proven effective. Cheap as dirt too. Readily gives up phosphate to adp to convert back into atp. More energy for cells in theory means you should be able to push harder and build up more.
Gatorade powder: Take it with your creatine. Has dextrose in it, which helps with the creatine absorbtion/transportation into the cells to help recycle adp->atp. Make sure it is the powder though, as the other pre-made gatorades don't have dextrose in them. Pretty cheap too.
fish oil: for efa (essential fatty acids)
multivitamin: Pick one that you like. I use the walmart equate brand. I personally take 2/day. It comes in a 300 count bottle and pretty cheap.
Whey protein: Almost forgot that. Good for an extra source of protein, but don't rely too heavily on it. A decent meal (grilled chicken, brown rice and veggies as loosely stated above) will trump over protein shakes any day.

Best of luck, and please wait to try ph's/steroids. It may be tempting now, but you'll be glad you waited. Just try explaining that to the other forum user that declines sound advice from many other knowledgeable forum users :rolleyes:

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Good advice. Good basics! I would use something other than Gatorade though. Maybe if you're along the lines of endurance drinks, save money and buy a bottle and use Cytosport or Ragnarok.
 
oh the other things is I think with a lot of supplements u just need to try them and see what works! but that can take a lot of time, money and energy wasted on things that just don't work, so its good to hear from actual people!
 
Personally, I try to avoid gatorade too. Don't like the brominated vegetable oil. Yeah, it's in very low quantities, but I don't want any extra bromine in my system if I can help it! And why pay more for a dextrose/ sucrose blend than straight dex?

But honestly, everyone is really pointing you in the right direction. That's pretty much how things are here. If your not an a-hole, we won't berate you (too much). ;)
 
I just offered the gatorade because those are things that you can pick up locally for pretty cheap (less than 7 bucks for 6 gallons worth). It also would taste better than dextrose/water/creatine mono would i would imagine.

Dextrose sugar would be a fine alternative to gatorade powder, workaholic.
 
Sure - I actually started off using gatorade powder, back in the day. It is a fairly decent option, but not the best nutritionally.
You have definitely given good advice here, ecu, I'm just giving him another option - he'd really do fine either way.

Gatorade would taste better than dex/malt/cm straight, but you could cut it with unsweetened kool-aid powder, or use Xtend for about the same price as a kilo of bcaas.
 
I find dex carbs mix or wazy maize carbs can taste pretty great. I get Vextrago which tastes like orange punch and packs in 70g's of waxy maize per serving.
 
A lot of good advice here, I just wanted to say that building your body will be a much more rewarding experience if you put health before everything else. I like the way a lot of these guys think, they have researched and found what they think there bodies need rather than look for what I call instant gratification. When you get to be my age you should have discovered that instant gratification is NEVER gratifying in the long term. Do things now that will pay you back later....now that's gratifying. Take care of your body, your going to need it for a long time.
 
The best thing I have done for lean mass gains:

4000 calories per day
1.5 g of protein per lb of body weight
20% of calories from fat
all the rest of calories are complex carbs
creatine monohydrate - cell volumization
Anabolic Pump - cell volumization, gain muscle and lose fat
whey protein - staple
casein protein - staple
fish oil - staple
multivitamin - staple
 
That is very sound.

As far as bulking is concerned I have had some luck switching up macronutrient ratios a bit, for example 4 days of 40-40-20 then 3 days 50-30-20. Not that I am any real bulking expert I never really have had to be.
 
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