Best OTC Additions To PCT

Lol thanks for all the suggestions guys. Here is what I am planning so far.. All things with proven benefits or stuff I have tried and liked previously.

Clomid 50/50/50/25/25
Nolva 20/20/20/10/10
Aromasin, I'm not sure of dosing yet.
HPTA and VOLUME, depending on how well my trial of it goes here soon. I'm expecting good things though.
Alphamax, possibly for the Cortisol and Forskolin mainly.
CJC 1295 w/o DAC and GHRP-2 starting the last two weeks of pinning.
Ep1c Unleashed
HCG, still not sure if I will use or not.
 
rascal14 said:
Lol thanks for all the suggestions guys. Here is what I am planning so far.. All things with proven benefits or stuff I have tried and liked previously.

Clomid 50/50/50/25/25
Nolva 20/20/20/10/10
Aromasin, I'm not sure of dosing yet.
HPTA and VOLUME, depending on how well my trial of it goes here soon. I'm expecting good things though.
Alphamax, possibly for the Cortisol and Forskolin mainly.
CJC 1295 w/o DAC and GHRP-2 starting the last two weeks of pinning.
Ep1c Unleashed
HCG, still not sure if I will use or not.
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i think HPTA and VOLUME will impress you!!!
 
rascal14 said:
Lol thanks for all the suggestions guys. Here is what I am planning so far.. All things with proven benefits or stuff I have tried and liked previously.

Clomid 50/50/50/25/25
Nolva 20/20/20/10/10
Aromasin, I'm not sure of dosing yet.
HPTA and VOLUME, depending on how well my trial of it goes here soon. I'm expecting good things though.
Alphamax, possibly for the Cortisol and Forskolin mainly.
CJC 1295 w/o DAC and GHRP-2 starting the last two weeks of pinning.
Ep1c Unleashed
HCG, still not sure if I will use or not.
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I would definitely add AlphaMax for the F95. It will help maintain lean mass during PCT. You may want to be careful with the Aromasin. AlphaMax already contains 75 mg of Arimistane.
 
halfhuman said:
None mentioned will be useless alongside clomid or nolva. But as I said. I suggest trying our SERM instead of clomid or nolva. You won't be disappointed. And at that at least you'd know exactly what your putting in your body.
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You're essentially saying that it is equally effective or better than a prescription drug.

brundel said:
Rebirth can be used anywhere a SERM is required. We cant, or shouldnt ( for legal reasons) directly compare a supplement to a medication. It can cause trouble. But again you can feel confident using it in any situation a SERM is needed.
I would not ever just use a SERM for PCT though.
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Good way to get sued by user and fined by Agencies. You're speaking out of two sides of your mouth saying, "you can use our product in place of a pharmaceutical SERM" and at the same time trying to cover yourself by saying "we can't for legal reasons compare. . . ." You're impliedly, and arguably expressly, comparing them and should probably stop this kind of talk altogether.

Not picking on you, just best to avoid any comparison. It'll give you nothing but trouble.
 
I don't doubt Rebirth is a great supplement. But for how cheap Novla and Clomid are and they are proven through years of use and study, I don't see myself feeling comfortable trying to recover with something OTC. Maybe after a more mild cycle I will give it a go. I will definitely be giving the new AI a try though.
 
Rebirth is a great OTC Serm, and as such it can not be compared to drugs. And since it is not a drug, it is not as dangerous or lead to side effects such as the typical rc/Pharmaceuticals serm, here it is the reason why is not recommended to run it alone. Especially after running heavy PH
 
halfhuman said:
That^^ I would grab our new SERM Rebirth. Rebirth Viron Follidrone and our new AI Should be out soon and logs are showing how amazing they are. I like to add abliderate ammo to my pct as well for cortisol. PA is something amazing to add to the arsenal as well
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I would really like to see a "complete" product where BLR incorporated all their great products into one, as the quality is not the issue it's that they are all sort "single ingredient formulas" with maybe 1-2 ingredients and not so comprehensive as you have to buy 4 products ( you listed 4) which equates to the purpose of test boosting & AI coupled with "natural anabolic"...
Seems like a lot to spend wouldn't you say? When a lot of "test boosters" incorporate test boosting & AI in one product. But I guess it is business after all and you are here to make money.

Very innovative products though, I will add.
 
Driven2lift said:
Ergonine covers a ton of bases for natural ergogens and myogenics to bounce back for strength, muscle fullness and growth. Test Powder is one I like and has DAA ABE is another good option
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I have to say a well done for that product, very comprehensive and makes me happy paying money knowing I get several ergoenics all effective proven doses.
Is this available in the UK yet??
 
halfhuman said:
None mentioned will be useless alongside clomid or nolva. But as I said. I suggest trying our SERM instead of clomid or nolva. You won't be disappointed. And at that at least you'd know exactly what your putting in your body.
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Thumbs down dude. Suggesting an OTC instead of clomid or nolva for PCT? That is seriously messed up. Take it with nolva sure, but instead of? Wrong wrong wrong
 
Alasel said:
I would really like to see a "complete" product where BLR incorporated all their great products into one, as the quality is not the issue it's that they are all sort "single ingredient formulas" with maybe 1-2 ingredients and not so comprehensive as you have to buy 4 products ( you listed 4) which equates to the purpose of test boosting & AI coupled with "natural anabolic"...
Seems like a lot to spend wouldn't you say? When a lot of "test boosters" incorporate test boosting & AI in one product. But I guess it is business after all and you are here to make money.

Very innovative products though, I will add.
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No, that's my personal pct rrequirement.

Rebirth
Viron
Follidrone
Is sufficient enough.

A lot incorporate an Ai and test? Nope. Arimstane is not an Ai if that's what you're referring too
 
halfhuman said:
No, that's my personal pct rrequirement. Rebirth Viron Follidrone Is sufficient enough. A lot incorporate an Ai and test? Nope. Arimstane is not an Ai if that's what you're referring too
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I'm sure your familiar with the abbreviated term "AI"?

Arimistane, you've lost me as re-read my post I don't mention it.
 
Alasel said:
I'm sure your familiar with the abbreviated term "AI"?

Arimistane, you've lost me as re-read my post I don't mention it.
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Lol smart ass now?

You said they's products with both an Ai and test. The only ones out that have that combo have arimistane. If I'm wrong correct me

What product u speak of? I'm curious
 
What i was simply stating was whatever product has an "AI" but the ingredient is arimistane I don't look at it as an AI. That's all.

Sorry for any confusion or any thing in that sort
 
Issue for me is unethical marketing and misleading claims for products that are in essence placebo. Products aren't being marketed as placebos but on the promise of giving physiological improvements and advantages. Justifying this on the basis of "it if works in people's minds it's all good" is not a very sound basis for advancement in supplement science and in reality, customer's are just wasting their money as they would make the gains without any placebos if they were being told this truth.


booneman77 said:
theres actually a great article on placebo on here right now. Good read.

For me, it comes down to "is paying a bit of money for something I could, but most likely would not have, achieved otherwise worth it?" depending on the cost:benefit defines if its worth it or not. We all know that the lifting game is highly mentally driven so the placebo effect, while silly and undesirable, can be an important tool.
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ucheoma said:
Issue for me is unethical marketing and misleading claims for products that are in essence placebo. Products aren't being marketed as placebos but on the promise of giving physiological improvements and advantages. Justifying this on the basis of "it if works in people's minds it's all good" is not a very sound basis for advancement in supplement science and in reality, customer's are just wasting their money as they would make the gains without any placebos if they were being told this truth.
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lol...mood enhancement pharmaceuticals are the most prescribed prescription drugs, i guess they are placebo too....our minds are the most powerful thing we possess..if a supplement improves mood/motivation then i would hardly call it a waste of money---just my opinion!!!
 
mw1 said:
For OTC AI you wont find one with as solid of a formula as INHIBIT E ~~ backed by plenty of research and not overpriced like other(usually 19.95). PCT ASSIST is also another good option
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Back in the day did you work with CEL? I remember when pct assist was the go to product in pct... Nostalgia
 
thebigt said:
lol...mood enhancement pharmaceuticals are the most prescribed prescription drugs, i guess they are placebo too....our minds are the most powerful thing we possess..if a supplement improves mood/motivation then i would hardly call it a waste of money---just my opinion!!!
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No comparison. A pharmaceutical drug would require scientific proof it works before gaining regulatory approval. Even mood enhancers will have proven mechanisms ny which they work not placebo. In fact they would control against placebo groups.
 
ucheoma said:
No comparison. A pharmaceutical drug would require scientific proof it works before gaining regulatory approval. Even mood enhancers will have proven mechanisms ny which they work not placebo. In fact they would control against placebo groups.
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Have you read those studies? I haven't but from what i have heard those studies done on SSRIs are flawed. I ask more out of curiosity trying to get a better picture of what is actually going on. Those government ran studies are more confusing then most so when i try to read them i get confused.
 
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