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Best OTC Additions To PCT

rascal14

rascal14

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Right now I'm planning a cycle of about 15 weeks. Besides the 5 weeks of Nolva and Clomid, what are the best options out for helping me bounce back that could still help on top of the SERMs? Price isn't a huge issue as I have almost 20 more weeks before I need it, so I have plenty of time to gather anything that is OTC.
 
Viron, Test powder/DAA, reduce xt, Follidrone. Tons out there actually.

Xfa, anabeta elite, alphamax...
 
That^^

I would grab our new SERM Rebirth.

Rebirth
Viron
Follidrone and our new AI Should be out soon and logs are showing how amazing they are.

I like to add abliderate ammo to my pct as well for cortisol.

PA is something amazing to add to the arsenal as well
 
Viron was definitely one of the top things I was planning on trying. I've heard great things about it. I just don't want to get a bunch of stuff that would be useless alongside Clomid and Nolva.
 
None mentioned will be useless alongside clomid or nolva. But as I said. I suggest trying our SERM instead of clomid or nolva. You won't be disappointed. And at that at least you'd know exactly what your putting in your body.
 
Alphamax offers a lot of benifits during PCT from increased Testosterone to controlled estrogen and cortisol while also suppressing prolactin and increase lean body mass while decreasing fat mass. Definitely one to consider for your PCT! Full doses in a complete open label at a competitive price, cant beat it!
 
halfhuman said:
None mentioned will be useless alongside clomid or nolva. But as I said. I suggest trying our SERM instead of clomid or nolva. You won't be disappointed. And at that at least you'd know exactly what your putting in your body.
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I used Rebirth after my Msten run and I feel great now that PCT has ended.
 
Ergonine covers a ton of bases for natural ergogens and myogenics to bounce back for strength, muscle fullness and growth.

Test Powder is one I like and has DAA

ABE is another good option
 
Driven2lift said:
Ergonine covers a ton of bases for natural ergogens and myogenics to bounce back for strength, muscle fullness and growth.

Test Powder is one I like and has DAA

ABE is another good option
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Ergonine is all year for me. I consider that my multi now. I want to finish my bottles so I can switch to unflavored
 
I've always had great libido recovery when using CEL PCT Assist. Otherwise i just try to keep my PCT simple and inexpensive if i can.
 
Rhadam said:
I've always had great libido recovery when using CEL PCT Assist. Otherwise i just try to keep my PCT simple and inexpensive if i can.
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That was my original plan but I want to do everything I can to get my body back in order. I figured PCT is just as important as the actual cycle, so I might as well do the best I can in recovering.
 
Get an otc pct product, test booster or DAA, natural anabolic, reduce xt and there are many other additions that you could throw in your pct. You can check all these out at Strong Supplement Shop.
 
rascal14 said:
That was my original plan but I want to do everything I can to get my body back in order. I figured PCT is just as important as the actual cycle, so I might as well do the best I can in recovering.
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PCT is definitely as important as the cycle. It's tough to combat a drop in hormones while still trying to nail your diet and keep up training intensity. PCT Assist always gave me a nice libido boost as well as quality of life boost, definitely helped offset the drop in exogenous hormones. Really isn't anything else i'd recommend other than a legit SERM. And, depending on what you used, a cortisol control product can be helpful. I usually always have a bottle of Reduce XT on hand just in case.
 
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Personal recommendations for "helping" make a smooth pct are:
cortisol control (reduce xt)
Ai (depending on the cycle)... OTC inhibit e has bloodwork backed results

For just general "feeing better about myself and trying to keep gaining"
Ara (Xgels)
Body comp and endurance (Magnitropin or Abe)
Libido boost (more of a mental boost for me- Bulbine, fenugreek)

And a good preworkout can do wonders for motivation on days you might be dragging a bit. Conqu3r is pretty comprehensive.
 
booneman77 said:
Personal recommendations for "helping" make a smooth pct are:
cortisol control (reduce xt)
Ai (depending on the cycle)... OTC inhibit e has bloodwork backed results

For just general "feeing better about myself and trying to keep gaining"
Ara (Xgels)
Body comp and endurance (Magnitropin or Abe)
Libido boost (more of a mental boost for me- Bulbine, fenugreek)

And a good preworkout can do wonders for motivation on days you might be dragging a bit. Conqu3r is pretty comprehensive.
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I think the main thing for me would be a mental boost for libido in PCT. I haven't had a lot of luck with that recently until I have finished up PCT, so that is my biggest concern. All I have tried is Nolva and Clomid pretty much and it has worked, but not as fast as I want so I am looking for some more additions to that.

Rhadam said:
PCT is definitely as important as the cycle. It's tough to combat a drop in hormones while still trying to nail your diet and keep up training intensity. PCT Assist always gave me a nice libido boost as well as quality of life boost, definitely helped offset the drop in exogenous hormones. Really isn't anything else i'd recommend other than a legit SERM. And, depending on what you used, a cortisol control product can be helpful. I usually always have a bottle of Reduce XT on hand just in case.
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I haven't used a real Cortisol Control product yet in my PCT, I probably need to try it out this time. I also haven't seen a lot of people using PCT Assist so I honestly haven't even looked into it, I'm gonna have to check it out.
 
For me reduce xt made pct waaaayyyyy smoother. Just felt so much better outside the gym.

For libido I totally get that. Mine is always tanked on cycle (and when I diet ha) so a boost really makes me feel better. Fenugreek/Bulbine are my go to's. Many people like daa but it makes me personally feel like garbage and actually gives me some ugly sides
 
Something for Cortisol, maybe something for Estrogen depending on what PCT & Estro philosophy you subscribe to.

PA and ArA.

Stick with the Clomid or Nolva, IMO.

'Bout it. If nothing happens when you surf over to RedTube, than maybe the libido helpers... :)
 
If youre like me DAA sends you loopy - i get brain flashing lights when i try to sleep and i feel flustered all day.

Best so far - Isa-test gf and Im currently on Animal N1T which is great value and makes you feel great - 99% of others ive tried havent done anything.
 
You don't need any "Test Boosters" with a real SERM. You'd be wasting money.

Fit1962 said: Just received my blood tests back after being on a low dose Clomid for 8 weeks. My total testosterone was 1234...
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The_Old_Guy said:
You don't need any "Test Boosters" with a real SERM. You'd be wasting money.
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If you read above, he said it would be a "mental" benefit. This has always been my reason to use them as well. At best they give you a tiny test boost but many contain ingredients that will instantly boost mood and libido, making you "feel" better, and just making pct seem like less of a drag. It's really just a mental boost, nothing truly "effective" but if it makes you work harder and feel better then it's totally worth it. Plus some of these ingredients are dirt cheap so why not?
 
If you like them, cool, just giving my opinion (and I was really replying to the Bio-Grow makers recommendation). How the heck anyone doesn't "feel good" with "T" in the 1200's from the SERM, is beyond me though :) And you must admit, you could be subject to placebo, no?

Yes, I do see the point that even if it is placebo making you kick ass, it doesn't matter.
 
I used OL super pct during pct and it seemed to help a bit. Kept all my gains. Pretty sure it's carried at orbit.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Or could be placebo, no?
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Does it matter? If it makes you feel good and work harder because of it, then it's worth it IMO.

Nothing worse then dragging ass all through pct and barely being able to get to the gym. Doing half work there will cause you to lose gains anyways.
 
I think I can carry some weight on this because I just came off 1.5 years of test, Deca, trest ace, dien ace, and 11kt. The pct I will post has a few additions other than Otc products and may be overkill for you since mine was such a long cycle. However, using the following protocol I actually continued to make gains and actually lose bf. I had strong morning wood by the second week and never felt anything less than great and this is after a very suppressive 1.5 year cycle.

Clomid 50mg first 10 days then drop to 25
Mod grf-129 and ghrp-2
Vitamin d3
Quality minerals
Testforce 2 (best DAA product out there)
Creatine
PA
UR-Spray (expensive to run but really helps with fullness and keeping fat off PCT. Probably the number one thing I'd suggest after clomid and peptides)

6 weeks into pct I started Anabeta elite and a natty test booster on top.

If you ran injectables there is a great pre pct to run while the esters clear if you are interested.
Also, there is some conflicting evidence that nolva actually lessens clomids effects as opposed to working synergistically. I wouldn't risk using nolva especially when clomid works much better at kick starting hpta. I can find the studies on Dats forum after work if you are interested
 
As others have said, I think Reduce XT is worth adding. Your body is undergoing a stressful process during recovery.
 
if you are looking for a libido/mood lifter nothing i have tried has even come close to working as fast and effectively as the ironstack...guys who have used it are amazed by how fast it starts working usually within the 1st 3 days.

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You can never go wrong adding in a little arimistane (AlphaMax obviously my arim product of choice), -(-)Epi (EP1C, Follidrone, Vital Labs, etc), ArA (w/ 2-6g GMS 2g LCLT), and some PA (like $8 if you get your PA thru SL and can be dosed much higher than 750-1250mg typical dose)
 
I personally will be running Performax Alphamax stacked with epic unleashed after my 8 week run of 4 andro and LGD, hard to beat what alphamax has to offer stacked with a seem of cours. I have also had experience with BPS eliminate after my last cycle. Both products contain arimistane, Alphamax has other little goodies such as forskolin , vitamin d3, ZMA, and L dopa :)
 
jgntyce said:
I used Rebirth after my Msten run and I feel great now that PCT has ended.
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Would you say it is as effective as Clomid or at least close?
Would you use it as a standalone for pct?
Or would you add rebirth to clomid/nolva for pct?
 
CATdiesel76 said:
I think I can carry some weight on this because I just came off 1.5 years of test, Deca, trest ace, dien ace, and 11kt. The pct I will post has a few additions other than Otc products and may be overkill for you since mine was such a long cycle. However, using the following protocol I actually continued to make gains and actually lose bf. I had strong morning wood by the second week and never felt anything less than great and this is after a very suppressive 1.5 year cycle.

Clomid 50mg first 10 days then drop to 25
Mod grf-129 and ghrp-2
Vitamin d3
Quality minerals
Testforce 2 (best DAA product out there)
Creatine
PA
UR-Spray (expensive to run but really helps with fullness and keeping fat off PCT. Probably the number one thing I'd suggest after clomid and peptides)

6 weeks into pct I started Anabeta elite and a natty test booster on top.

If you ran injectables there is a great pre pct to run while the esters clear if you are interested.
Also, there is some conflicting evidence that nolva actually lessens clomids effects as opposed to working synergistically. I wouldn't risk using nolva especially when clomid works much better at kick starting hpta. I can find the studies on Dats forum after work if you are interested
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I hadn't thought about using any peptides before. I just did some reading and I would love to use some even before the cycle, not just for PCT, but I do not think I will be able to as I can't openly refrigerate them.

And what PCT are you talking about while letting the esters clear?
 
rtmilburn said:
Would you say it is as effective as Clomid or at least close?
Would you use it as a standalone for pct?
Or would you add rebirth to clomid/nolva for pct?
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Rebirth can be used anywhere a SERM is required. We cant, or shouldnt ( for legal reasons) directly compare a supplement to a medication. It can cause trouble. But again you can feel confident using it in any situation a SERM is needed.
I would not ever just use a SERM for PCT though.

Good=
Rebirth and one of our new AIs. We have an oral and a transdermal coming out in about 2 weeks.

Better=
Rebirth, AI, Viron.

Best=
Rebirth, Viron, AI and something like follidrone to help prevent muscle loss and potentially give you growth during PCT.
 
i just posted up a promo for 3 loggers to run the 'ironstack', i am will to put my words to the test...the IRONSTACK' is the best libido, mood uplifting stack out there.

op put in an app for a chance to see for yourself!!!
 
thebigt said:
i just posted up a promo for 3 loggers to run the 'ironstack', i am will to put my words to the test...the IRONSTACK' is the best libido, mood uplifting stack out there.

op put in an app for a chance to see for yourself!!!
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Will do, I've been interested in trying it out I have seen a lot of good things about it.
 
J
rtmilburn said:
Would you say it is as effective as Clomid or at least close?
Would you use it as a standalone for pct?
Or would you add rebirth to clomid/nolva for pct?
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I will admit I do not know much about rebirth and it could be an incredible product. However, nothing has been proven to work better than clomid at restoring hpta. It has a huge amount of bloodwork and studies to support its use. I wouldn't use a new product over clomid until it has some serious use and studies behind it.

As far as the pre pct, I use this protocol during the 2-3 weeks the esters clear:

25mg clomid
12.5 exem Ed
Caber .25mg every 3 days for 3 doses
Hcg: 1000mg eod for 5 doses. Make sure last dose is 3-4 days prior to starting actual pct.
100mcg mod grf-129 and ghrp-2 3x daily

This drops your estrogen and prolactin as your test falls so that they all rebound together and it is incredibly effective. I got this idea from dats pct thread and it made this by far the best pct I've ever done. I felt better after a 1.5 year cycle than I did an 8 week one.

I also started PA, creatine, and UR spray during these two weeks so they were in full effect by the time pct started
 
CATdiesel76 said:
J

I will admit I do not know much about rebirth and it could be an incredible product. However, nothing has been proven to work better than clomid at restoring hpta. It has a huge amount of bloodwork and studies to support its use. I wouldn't use a new product over clomid until it has some serious use and studies behind it.

As far as the pre pct, I use this protocol during the 2-3 weeks the esters clear:

25mg clomid
12.5 exem Ed
Caber .25mg every 3 days for 3 doses
Hcg: 1000mg eod for 5 doses. Make sure last dose is 3-4 days prior to starting actual pct.
100mcg mod grf-129 and ghrp-2 3x daily

This drops your estrogen and prolactin as your test falls so that they all rebound together and it is incredibly effective. I got this idea from dats pct thread and it made this by far the best pct I've ever done. I felt better after a 1.5 year cycle than I did an 8 week one.

I also started PA, creatine, and UR spray during these two weeks so they were in full effect by the time pct started
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that is one serious pct!!!
 
I have PCTed after 11 months on and recovered fine with this:

Nolva
20/20/10/10/10/10/10/10
Clomid
25/25/25/25
DAA
3g/3g/3g/3g/3g/3g
Reduce XT
0/0/3/3/3/3/3/3
X Gels
Started 2 week before PCT and ran through the whole PCT at 6 caps per workout
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Yes, I do see the point that even if it is placebo making you kick ass, it doesn't matter.
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I want to reply to myself :) I've never given this a serious 'thinking' before, but I have now. IMO, and IMO only, spending money on a compound that does nothing physiologically, but "works" because of one's brain, is still a rip-off con job. Since it is only your brain giving you gains, your brain can also 'Un-Placebo' yourself by showing you there is no human data that xyz compound does anything. So not taking it won't affect "gains" in PCT or anywhere else. I've done this recently with -(-)Epi, Intra-Workouts, and Post Workouts. Stopped the first two, and switched to Milk and Cereal for the last one - progress continues.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
I want to reply to myself :) I've never given this a serious 'thinking' before, but I have now. IMO, and IMO only, spending money on a compound that does nothing physiologically, but "works" because of one's brain, is still a rip-off con job. Since it is only your brain giving you gains, your brain can also 'Un-Placebo' yourself by showing you there is no human data that xyz compound does anything. So not taking it won't affect "gains" in PCT or anywhere else. I've done this recently with -(-)Epi, Intra-Workouts, and Post Workouts. Stopped the first two, and switched to Milk and Cereal for the last one - progress continues.
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theres actually a great article on placebo on here right now. Good read.

For me, it comes down to "is paying a bit of money for something I could, but most likely would not have, achieved otherwise worth it?" depending on the cost:benefit defines if its worth it or not. We all know that the lifting game is highly mentally driven so the placebo effect, while silly and undesirable, can be an important tool.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
I want to reply to myself :) I've never given this a serious 'thinking' before, but I have now. IMO, and IMO only, spending money on a compound that does nothing physiologically, but "works" because of one's brain, is still a rip-off con job. Since it is only your brain giving you gains, your brain can also 'Un-Placebo' yourself by showing you there is no human data that xyz compound does anything. So not taking it won't affect "gains" in PCT or anywhere else. I've done this recently with -(-)Epi, Intra-Workouts, and Post Workouts. Stopped the first two, and switched to Milk and Cereal for the last one - progress continues.
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wow man....so you post on a supplement forum that taking supps is stupid....thats like going to weddings just to tell people that getting married is stupid...


you gave your opinion...just giving mine!!!
 
Where'd you get stupid from? I take some supps - cuz some actually give a proven by multiple studies, ergogenic boost. The latest discussion turn here was about "gains" from placebo, and paying money for it. But I get it man, paying $99 for that Novex Biotech HGH product is like totally worth it. Are we supposed to all agree that every supplement is "Gainz In A Bottle" here?
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Where'd you get stupid from? I take some supps - cuz some actually give a proven by multiple studies, ergogenic boost. The latest discussion turn here was about "gains" from placebo, and paying money for it. But I get it man, paying $99 for that Novex Biotech HGH product is like totally worth it. Are we supposed to all agree that every supplement is "Gainz In A Bottle" here?
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But clear muscle....
 
warbird01 said:
I have PCTed after 11 months on and recovered fine with this:

Nolva
20/20/10/10/10/10/10/10
Clomid
25/25/25/25
DAA
3g/3g/3g/3g/3g/3g
Reduce XT
0/0/3/3/3/3/3/3
X Gels
Started 2 week before PCT and ran through the whole PCT at 6 caps per workout
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No PCT Assist... son i am disappoint.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Where'd you get stupid from? I take some supps - cuz some actually give a proven by multiple studies, ergogenic boost. The latest discussion turn here was about "gains" from placebo, and paying money for it. But I get it man, paying $99 for that Novex Biotech HGH product is like totally worth it. Are we supposed to all agree that every supplement is "Gainz In A Bottle" here?
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Yes
 
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