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[HYBRID]

Still Loving My SlinSane!!

Nice.... Thanks Link.

 

[Outstanding]

AP did NOOOOOTHIIIING for me. Tried different carb strategies and timing. Nothing! Even played with the dosing. Nothing!

Same here... I went through copious... TRUST ME COPIOUS... amounts, with a very calculated and regimented nutritional stratagem, and it was truly as though I was not even taking it. I might as well have been administering a placebo or dextrose pill into my supplement protocol.

I have, however, been on Glycobol for over two full months now, and although I cannot give it overwhelming marks, I can say it is right there on the border between deciding to re-up for another cycle, or move onto something else such as Need2, or SlinSane - all of which I have heard positive (although very limited) feedback from on other forums.

I will say however, that being a slave to research and reading science journals for hours on end every chance I get (my career is computer intensive, so by virtue of my profession, I am both cursed and blessed by being on a computer making information and education readily available) that Corosolic acid (Banaba, the primary or co-primary pillar within the proprietary blend of Glycobol) has been reported and published as having a maximal physiological peak activity AFTER 90 MINUTES, and more interesting does NOT exert any of its intended effects concerning glucose modulation, for the first hour after oral ingestion. So I could be a victim of my own ignorance by blindly following the common consensus largely adopted and employed by the bodybuilding community which offers up the suggestion to administer GDAs approximately 20-30 minutes prior to the carbohydrate containing meal.

Also noteworthy, is that there is a conflicting window of opportunity when trying to achieve optimal timing, or at least an even balance, between the constituents that comprise Glycobol; especially regarding the other fundamental vertebrae that upholds the construct of compounds: na-r-ALA. This specific form of s-ALA has been enhanced (as has been tirelessly discussed and although still debatable in light of ongoing clinical publications and research IN-VIVO which is the most important, I believe we can all agree na-r-ALA is still more potent and aggregately more efficacious when compared to s-ALA or r-ALA) imparts its effects almost immediately, reaching peak biological activity and saturation within 20 minutes or slightly less - literally exerting its effects and eliciting glucose modulation more than 3x as fast as Banaba.

I am obsessively dedicated toward the fevered and tireless research and collection of anecdotal responses from experienced athletes in this realm (blood sugar/insulin modification and favorable partitioning in order to enhance and heighten the activity of glucose disposal once maximum muscle glycogen stores have been achieved) because I am a fervent believe that aside from testosterone, insulin is the single most profound hormone with unlimited potential to initiate limitless hypertrophy and lipolysis when dosed and manipulated accordingly.

Lets keep this excellent thread going... any further thoughts and feedback would be greatly appreciated!

 

[Outstanding]

Both excellent products.

I tend to use SlinSane post workout, and Glycobol for major damage control for carb "slips".

Hi Dsade,

This is very intriguing to me... so in stead of ruling one out in favor of the other, I like your approach to include them both in your overall nutrition strategy, but for unique and specific purposes. Since I do believe AI's GDA is very well thought and appropriately dosed, I don't want to forego using it and continuing the positives I have reaped while on it, but I am always attempting to branch out and experiment with new sound science-validated formulas like Need2 or SS.

I would really appreciate hearing a more in-depth reasoning behind your inclusion of each product for their isolated purpose, and if your definition of 'carb slips' is similar to mine, it means "Oops, I just ate an entire stuffed crust pizza from Pizza Hut." HAHA! I can't deny the calling of that $10 Any Pizza deal they have every few months

At any rate... when I am truly gluttonous with unrestrained indulgence, literally resulting in upwards of 500g carbohydrates in ONE sitting (which I will also mention the obligatory I only engage in that type of activity once per week at MOST) I usually take 4-6 Glycobol caps before leaving the home so by the time I make my order and that piping hot calorie laden pizza pie comes out of the oven, I'm ready to soak up those carbs like a sponge into the muscle cells!

 

[Outstanding]

Need2Slin ingredients, here is the raws right from the bottle label:
1.) 450mg gymnema sylvestre, a whopping 75 percent gymnemic acids!!
2.) 250mg Acetyl L-carnatine
3.) 200mg NaR-ALA
4.) 200mg L-norvaline
5.) 90mg Coleus forskholi, 20 percent forskolin.
6.) 30mg synephrine HCI
7.) 18mg Banaba leaf.

Hi - I am planning on giving Need2Slin a go round when my current stock of G-Bol is exhausted. A lot of the published research I've read pertaining to both human and rat trials in response to Banaba/Corosolic acid has either been a 1-3% extract (which has been trademarked and largely used over at Life Extension along with a few others) or an extremely high extraction of 18% or 20%, which I have started to see incorporated into consumer available products (Banaba on Nutra Planet in bulk claims his high yield I believe).

I was wondering if your 18mg of Banaba Leaf you listed above from the label, was the whole lead, a specific active part/component of the leaf, or a standardized/specialized extract of the leaf yielding a certain amount of Corosolic Acid? Lastly, in conjunction with the first question above, I have seen varying math and dosage methods/calculation employed by several companies around the industry, and was wondering if the 18mg you listed was the total amount of bio-active compound, or simply 18mg total of the leaf itself? Every human clinical I have found online revolves around an approximate 24mg dosage in an attempt to measure post challenge modulation and disposal, so I was wondering exactly what the dosage and active amount was?

Thank you so much!

 

[Outstanding]

i wouldnt run both at the same time, thats a lot of r-ala to take in. unless maybe you went to an all you can eat buffet and pigged out

Running Glycobol, and SlinSane, and Need2Slin... simultaneously. Why not add some Metform.... errr, I mean, Pizza Hut anyone

I have not been to Custom Capsule in a long time, I just visited and read through all the new and expanded compounds; very impressive to see a company grow, and actually care enough to respond to what athletes desire and request.

I still don't know if I can use their services though... the end result is amazing because I have always envisioned formulating my own supplements, but the price is quite prohibitive (for me personally that is, I am not in any way saying it isn't 'worth' it, as I know it costs massive amounts of money to maintain a business). Also, if I remember correctly there were several limiters on how much of a dosage could be added to the blend, and the size capsules used limited the total compound amount per serving somewhat.

All in all though I am and always have been completely on board with this entire idea and business model. I feel, as a consumer, perplexed as to why so many millions of consumers repeatedly invest into companies who use massive amounts of income to sign athletes and take out excessive amounts of magazine 'real estate' to promote their next miracle item of the week. I do not want to be forced to chip in to pay for Kai's salary, which is why Custom Capsule and many of the other specialty (or what I like to call 'boutique') companies for those in the know to take advantage of should be patronized.

For me, it is a cold hard black and white budgetary concern though... in a perfect or ideal reality I would support these companies to no end financially in exchange for quality products, but the two M's (marriage and mortgage) keep me in constant motion always reading and researching to ensure the five or six supplements I do purchase on a monthly basis are worthy.

 

[wastedwhiteboy2]

Been on glycobol for a few weeks. I like it. I'll say its stronger than AP and has replaced AP for me.
Does it decrease its effectiveness with an antiestrogen like AP?

 

[Patrick Ewing]

Seems like Lean xtreme is working real well for me on a cut, I am also taking bromo which has worked wonders controlling my appetite. Magical pill for me!

 

[thebigt]

like some of the others i didn't respond well to ap, but loved glycobol. currently i am logging the purus-slinshot, only on day 2 but it has real potential, imo.

 

[Outstanding]

I just cracked open another bottle of Glycobol today (thanks to George being the coolest dude ever) and I couldn't be happier.

I am almost out... thank goodness I buy six at a time! Here is my drawer at work

Nothing like good old no-sugar oats, 8oz scissor cut chicken breast, all precluded with a black and gold Glycobol! If you'll notice in the picture there is a yellow/green film on the inside of the bottle, it was shipped to me like that, somehow capsules had exploded inside and left all that residue on the other caps - mmmmm, yummy, haha!

 

[crazyfool405]

Same here... I went through copious... TRUST ME COPIOUS... amounts, with a very calculated and regimented nutritional stratagem, and it was truly as though I was not even taking it. I might as well have been administering a placebo or dextrose pill into my supplement protocol.

I have, however, been on Glycobol for over two full months now, and although I cannot give it overwhelming marks, I can say it is right there on the border between deciding to re-up for another cycle, or move onto something else such as Need2, or SlinSane - all of which I have heard positive (although very limited) feedback from on other forums.

I will say however, that being a slave to research and reading science journals for hours on end every chance I get (my career is computer intensive, so by virtue of my profession, I am both cursed and blessed by being on a computer making information and education readily available) that Corosolic acid (Banaba, the primary or co-primary pillar within the proprietary blend of Glycobol) has been reported and published as having a maximal physiological peak activity AFTER 90 MINUTES, and more interesting does NOT exert any of its intended effects concerning glucose modulation, for the first hour after oral ingestion. So I could be a victim of my own ignorance by blindly following the common consensus largely adopted and employed by the bodybuilding community which offers up the suggestion to administer GDAs approximately 20-30 minutes prior to the carbohydrate containing meal.

Also noteworthy, is that there is a conflicting window of opportunity when trying to achieve optimal timing, or at least an even balance, between the constituents that comprise Glycobol; especially regarding the other fundamental vertebrae that upholds the construct of compounds: na-r-ALA. This specific form of s-ALA has been enhanced (as has been tirelessly discussed and although still debatable in light of ongoing clinical publications and research IN-VIVO which is the most important, I believe we can all agree na-r-ALA is still more potent and aggregately more efficacious when compared to s-ALA or r-ALA) imparts its effects almost immediately, reaching peak biological activity and saturation within 20 minutes or slightly less - literally exerting its effects and eliciting glucose modulation more than 3x as fast as Banaba.

I am obsessively dedicated toward the fevered and tireless research and collection of anecdotal responses from experienced athletes in this realm (blood sugar/insulin modification and favorable partitioning in order to enhance and heighten the activity of glucose disposal once maximum muscle glycogen stores have been achieved) because I am a fervent believe that aside from testosterone, insulin is the single most profound hormone with unlimited potential to initiate limitless hypertrophy and lipolysis when dosed and manipulated accordingly.

Lets keep this excellent thread going... any further thoughts and feedback would be greatly appreciated!

that statistical difference you are talking about for banaba was done witnh 10mg corosolic acid 5 minutes PRIOR to the OGTT.

furthermore Berberine takes 30 minutes to exert its effects on the adipocytes.

so 30 minutes is a good way to do it, 30-60 minutes was used for HCA in studies.

just wanted to clear that up for all who are reading.

 

[Outstanding]

Just saw this mentioned earlier in the thread (Purus Slin Shot, linked below)... I have not heard of it and I am not familiar with the listed active compound. Does anyone have any references or journals they can direct me to, as well as anecdotal experiences for those who have used it? Thank you!

anabolicminds (dot) com/product/purus-labs/slinshot-90-capsules.html

 

[crazyfool405]

Hi - I am planning on giving Need2Slin a go round when my current stock of G-Bol is exhausted. A lot of the published research I've read pertaining to both human and rat trials in response to Banaba/Corosolic acid has either been a 1-3% extract (which has been trademarked and largely used over at Life Extension along with a few others) or an extremely high extraction of 18% or 20%, which I have started to see incorporated into consumer available products (Banaba on Nutra Planet in bulk claims his high yield I believe).

I was wondering if your 18mg of Banaba Leaf you listed above from the label, was the whole lead, a specific active part/component of the leaf, or a standardized/specialized extract of the leaf yielding a certain amount of Corosolic Acid? Lastly, in conjunction with the first question above, I have seen varying math and dosage methods/calculation employed by several companies around the industry, and was wondering if the 18mg you listed was the total amount of bio-active compound, or simply 18mg total of the leaf itself? Every human clinical I have found online revolves around an approximate 24mg dosage in an attempt to measure post challenge modulation and disposal, so I was wondering exactly what the dosage and active amount was?

Thank you so much!

what i bolded theres is only one other supplement ive ever seen with that extract , and that is recompadrol.

the human clinical studies you are referring to can you link? because i did a literature review on a whole lot of GDAs and 10mg corosolic acid was one that was used for an OGTT

 

[Outstanding]

that statistical difference you are talking about for banaba was done witnh 10mg corosolic acid 5 minutes PRIOR to the OGTT.

furthermore Berberine takes 30 minutes to exert its effects on the adipocytes.

so 30 minutes is a good way to do it, 30-60 minutes was used for HCA in studies.

just wanted to clear that up for all who are reading.

I need to log all the links as I find applicable journal entries with good peer reviewed studies. I will try and find it tomorrow...

 

[crazyfool405]

Just saw this mentioned earlier in the thread (Purus Slin Shot, linked below)... I have not heard of it and I am not familiar with the listed active compound. Does anyone have any references or journals they can direct me to, as well as anecdotal experiences for those who have used it? Thank you!

anabolicminds (dot) com/product/purus-labs/slinshot-90-capsules.html

russian Tarragon,

heres the study i seen...

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[Outstanding]

russian Tarragon,

heres the study i seen...

Repped

I am running out the door right now, but at first glance it seemed to revolve around creatine? I will have to read further into it, I'm sure it gets into the glyco-kinetics eventually (I made that word up by the way!)

Hey... that's a nice name for a new supplement: GlycoKINETIC

 

[thebigt]

Repped

I am running out the door right now, but at first glance it seemed to revolve around creatine? I will have to read further into it, I'm sure it gets into the glyco-kinetics eventually (I made that word up by the way!)

Hey... that's a nice name for a new supplement: GlycoKINETIC

hahaha, i picked up on the creatine connection too. i am using slinshot and 15 minutes later 3 gms creapure and 30gms carbs intra workout, then repeating post workout.

 

[Bnatural]

hahaha, i picked up on the creatine connection too. i am using slinshot and 15 minutes later 3 gms creapure and 30gms carbs intra workout, then repeating post workout.

carbs intra workout? why...:shocked:

 

[thebigt]

carbs intra workout? why...:shocked:

so i make sure they get burned off. hell it's only 30 grams!

 

[Outstanding]

hahaha, i picked up on the creatine connection too. i am using slinshot and 15 minutes later 3 gms creapure and 30gms carbs intra workout, then repeating post workout.

What do you use intra-workout as your carb source? 30g sounds like NRG-X Labs Karbo-Lyn, Nutrex Mass Xxplosion, or Gaspari SizeOn MP?

If money wasn't a concern... I would love to couple the new crop of insulin mimetics with Vitargo... but due to their new found patent monopoly, price fixing is being exhibited at a pretty obvious level

I am going to try and find/subscribe to your journal so I can read about anecdotal effects of Purus' new GDA product

 

[thebigt]

What do you use intra-workout as your carb source? 30g sounds like NRG-X Labs Karbo-Lyn, Nutrex Mass Xxplosion, or Gaspari SizeOn MP?

If money wasn't a concern... I would love to couple the new crop of insulin mimetics with Vitargo... but due to their new found patent monopoly, price fixing is being exhibited at a pretty obvious level

I am going to try and find/subscribe to your journal so I can read about anecdotal effects of Purus' new GDA product

plain old waxy maize and grape juice, but the mix tasted so nasty that tomorrow i am just going with the grape juice. i might spring for professional supplements pure karbolyn-$44 for 4.4 pounds. 50 scoops at 50 carbs per scoop, but i tried samples before and it's good stuff.

 

[strategicmove]

what i bolded theres is only one other supplement ive ever seen with that extract , and that is recompadrol...

Are you referring to Corosolic Acid?

 

[corsaking]

Same here... I went through copious... TRUST ME COPIOUS... amounts, with a very calculated and regimented nutritional stratagem, and it was truly as though I was not even taking it. I might as well have been administering a placebo or dextrose pill into my supplement protocol.

I have, however, been on Glycobol for over two full months now, and although I cannot give it overwhelming marks, I can say it is right there on the border between deciding to re-up for another cycle, or move onto something else such as Need2, or SlinSane - all of which I have heard positive (although very limited) feedback from on other forums.

I will say however, that being a slave to research and reading science journals for hours on end every chance I get (my career is computer intensive, so by virtue of my profession, I am both cursed and blessed by being on a computer making information and education readily available) that Corosolic acid (Banaba, the primary or co-primary pillar within the proprietary blend of Glycobol) has been reported and published as having a maximal physiological peak activity AFTER 90 MINUTES, and more interesting does NOT exert any of its intended effects concerning glucose modulation, for the first hour after oral ingestion. So I could be a victim of my own ignorance by blindly following the common consensus largely adopted and employed by the bodybuilding community which offers up the suggestion to administer GDAs approximately 20-30 minutes prior to the carbohydrate containing meal.

Also noteworthy, is that there is a conflicting window of opportunity when trying to achieve optimal timing, or at least an even balance, between the constituents that comprise Glycobol; especially regarding the other fundamental vertebrae that upholds the construct of compounds: na-r-ALA. This specific form of s-ALA has been enhanced (as has been tirelessly discussed and although still debatable in light of ongoing clinical publications and research IN-VIVO which is the most important, I believe we can all agree na-r-ALA is still more potent and aggregately more efficacious when compared to s-ALA or r-ALA) imparts its effects almost immediately, reaching peak biological activity and saturation within 20 minutes or slightly less - literally exerting its effects and eliciting glucose modulation more than 3x as fast as Banaba.

I am obsessively dedicated toward the fevered and tireless research and collection of anecdotal responses from experienced athletes in this realm (blood sugar/insulin modification and favorable partitioning in order to enhance and heighten the activity of glucose disposal once maximum muscle glycogen stores have been achieved) because I am a fervent believe that aside from testosterone, insulin is the single most profound hormone with unlimited potential to initiate limitless hypertrophy and lipolysis when dosed and manipulated accordingly.

Lets keep this excellent thread going... any further thoughts and feedback would be greatly appreciated!

interesting read but food ie a main meal wont be fully digested so there is time to have an effect dont you think?

 

[pctforeal]

How do you guys feel about YellowGold? Can any insight be applied on this supplement?

 

[TJM5054]

I am running Need2Slin right now and am having great results with it so far. Very vascular in places never been vascular before.

 

[thebigt]

I am running Need2Slin right now and am having great results with it so far. Very vascular in places never been vascular before.

for $54 it better be doing SOMETHING!

 

[soontobbeast]

recently i started taking the 300mg caps of ALA from nutra and i have to say its the only product of its kind i felt anything from. ive taken pslin and anabolic pump and didnt feel anything. but with ala i actually get a little nauseated/hypoglycemic.

 

[TJM5054]

for $54 it better be doing SOMETHING!

Got it for free ;-) Running a log on it at another forum.

 

[thebigt]

Got it for free ;-) Running a log on it at another forum.

free is good-i am a big fan of free, but the results you reported don't justify that hefty price tag.


need2 has good stuff-but need2 needs2 lower prices before i buy them.

 

[TJM5054]

free is good-i am a big fan of free, but the results you reported don't justify that hefty price tag.


need2 has good stuff-but need2 needs2 lower prices before i buy them.

This is only my 3rd day on it.

 

[kingjameskjf]

...Corosolic acid (Banaba, the primary or co-primary pillar within the proprietary blend of Glycobol) has been reported and published as having a maximal physiological peak activity AFTER 90 MINUTES, and more interesting does NOT exert any of its intended effects concerning glucose modulation, for the first hour after oral ingestion. So I could be a victim of my own ignorance by blindly following the common consensus largely adopted and employed by the bodybuilding community which offers up the suggestion to administer GDAs approximately 20-30 minutes prior to the carbohydrate containing meal.

...na-r-ALA is still more potent ...(and) imparts its effects almost immediately, reaching peak biological activity and saturation within 20 minutes or slightly less - literally exerting its effects and eliciting glucose modulation more than 3x as fast as Banaba.
...

You make two very interesting points. One is the 90 minutes until glucose modulation is in full effect after the ingestion of Corosolic Acid. That alone would illicit me to alter the dosing of Glycobol. But, when you take the second statement of the efficacy of na-r-ALA with a peak saturation within 20 minutes, it seems that the common recommendation of 20-30 minutes prior to a carb meal makes sense. This would be due to other factors that have to be considered as well, which I quoted below. The breakdown of food into asorbable nutrients will take some time so you have the na-r-ALA to work right away and the Corosolic Acid that takes more time to reach it's full potential, working slowly as your body also slowly digests the food. That seems like a very good combo to me. Does that make sense or am I way off base?

that statistical difference you are talking about for banaba was done witnh 10mg corosolic acid 5 minutes PRIOR to the OGTT.

furthermore Berberine takes 30 minutes to exert its effects on the adipocytes.

so 30 minutes is a good way to do it, 30-60 minutes was used for HCA in studies.

just wanted to clear that up for all who are reading.

interesting read but food ie a main meal wont be fully digested so there is time to have an effect dont you think?

 

[kingjameskjf]

How do you guys feel about YellowGold? Can any insight be applied on this supplement?

Drink more water? Sorry couldn't resist. That name is almost as eh...odd... as "Golden Finish!"


On a more serious note. I got two bottles of Glycobol that I'm about to use. I also have a bottle of LGS Slin. Would it be a waste to stack the two? I still got a lot to learn about nutrient repartitioners.

 

[MAxximal]

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Benefits for Fat Loss and Muscle Building

Except immediately following your workout, the carbs you eat cause an insulin spike. Using r-ALA, you can channel more of the glucose to the muscle cells instead of the fat cells gaining more lean muscle mass without a concurrent gain in body fat.

Of particular interest to the bodybuilder is the fact that r-ALA enables the muscles to increase the amount of glucose that they absorb from the blood stream by increasing the number of glut-4 transporters on the out-side of the myocites (muscle-cells) by almost 50%. By forcing the glucose and nutrients into both the MUSCLE-cells and the fat-cells, one can use ALA as a nutrient-partitioning agent.

The net result is an increased muscle-gain over the long run with a smaller fat-gain. To give you a quantitative idea, if a person gains 10lbs muscle and 10lbs fat in a bulking cycle w/o ALA. He/she is likely to gain around 14lbs muscle and 6 lbs fat if he/she would have taken ALA.

 

[corsaking]

recently i started taking the 300mg caps of ALA from nutra and i have to say its the only product of its kind i felt anything from. ive taken pslin and anabolic pump and didnt feel anything. but with ala i actually get a little nauseated/hypoglycemic.

and you quite like that feeling......??

 

[corsaking]

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Benefits for Fat Loss and Muscle Building

Except immediately following your workout, the carbs you eat cause an insulin spike. Using r-ALA, you can channel more of the glucose to the muscle cells instead of the fat cells gaining more lean muscle mass without a concurrent gain in body fat.

Of particular interest to the bodybuilder is the fact that r-ALA enables the muscles to increase the amount of glucose that they absorb from the blood stream by increasing the number of glut-4 transporters on the out-side of the myocites (muscle-cells) by almost 50%. By forcing the glucose and nutrients into both the MUSCLE-cells and the fat-cells, one can use ALA as a nutrient-partitioning agent.

The net result is an increased muscle-gain over the long run with a smaller fat-gain. To give you a quantitative idea, if a person gains 10lbs muscle and 10lbs fat in a bulking cycle w/o ALA. He/she is likely to gain around 14lbs muscle and 6 lbs fat if he/she would have taken ALA.

so which one of all these products can be used without ANY FAT GAIN.It seems pointless taking something which is going to give you more fat than when you started irrespective of how much muscle you gain .

 

[Outstanding]

So do you just take one, 15min before your post workout carbs? Or at the same time?

Dsade has replied to this already with a great response/idea, but I have a different method to add since I train at home, in order to effectively create that needed window of time to allow the ingredients to reach your blood stream by the time Post Workout Whey/Carbs are down the gullet.

During my last exercise of the workout, no matter how many sets I am doing on any given day, I will always take the GDA (which is for the past couple months and at the moment, Glycobol) with three/four sets left to go. I believe this allows me ample time to get the gears in motion, without causing any delays or interruptions in the workout, or having to wait around after that final set to super-feed those stimulated starving muscle fibers, just so the GDA can clock-in and go to work!

 

[Outstanding]

Glycobol is a good product. I'm also looking forward to trying an advance bottle of Recompadrol.

SlinSane, Need2Slin, GlycoBOL, SlinShot, Recompadrol... FIGHT!!!!!

Haha I have not heard anything about the Recompadrol, but as you said it is still a forth coming product. I am going to have to devote a couple hours in the Reviews section and see if I can learn more.

I think Mike has a good bearing on what his target market desires and he has been continually filling that need. Purus is a newer company to me, and after trying a couple samples of their Muscle Marinade and reading the blend (have not had a moment to read the white paper yet) it was an extremely well designed AND palatable product. Due to the minimal over-lap as someone mentioned earlier, I believe Glycobol and SlinSane would make for an extremely effective and synergistic well rounded stack.

 

[Outstanding]

The profile is SICK, its made by LeanBodyFormulations:439:

I was just researching this, and although the blend looks very solid (www(dot)leanbodyformulations(dot)com/Products(dot)html) but see that it includes Vanadyl Sulfate lower on the list of the proprietary mix (frowns and dies a little inside while typing...) which has never truly been given high marks in efficacy or safety over all the decades it has been used with cyclical popularity, every few years resurfacing (Why wasn't the most bioavailable form BPOV used?). The only studies I have uncovered after hours and weeks of searching seemed to give it very indecisive decisions, often falling into the realm of it is only efficacious in clinicals when dosed over 1,000mg (or 1g) once or twice a day to participants (most products only contain 10mg VS as a standard trend throughout the industry). For the rest of the compound lineup, I have not tried it or heard of the company for that matter, so I cannot honestly dissect it or give anecdotal feedback, but the capsules must be very small because out of two pills there is only an approximate 800mg inclusion of active constituents.

I have been toying with the idea of dusting off the Cap-M-Quick machine, and just buying the readily available na-r-ALA powder, Yellow Gold powder, P-Slin powder, and 20% Corosolic powder from Nutra and making my own cost effective product where I am able to control dosages, quality, and be aware of what compounds in what amounts I am administering. Has anyone else ever created their own similar blend at home from raws to save money?

 

[Outstanding]

I finally finished up reading through all of the pages of this thread, and cannot explain how much I love it, when I am brought to the attention of something new, that works, that also doesn't require you to hide the credit card statement from the better half (fairly priced). Wow, what a great find (I am referring to Slin Sane by the way) that has the rare almost impossible mixture of efficacy and economy! Economical Efficacy... wait, did I just come up with a new name for a company? HAHA

I can't exactly make any personal claims or offer any substantive feedback, YET, but I have already reviewed the budget coming up this month for May, and I believe I might be able to begin implementing this product into my current VERY dedicated off-season lean gain protocol. I have been using Glycobol for months now, and I truly believe in the product, and although I was thrown off initially by the price... now I can subdue that sting of pain by reminding myself how well it works, as I unfold my wallet and peck away my Visa number online!

I have a story (which serves as another addition to the long and now substantiated succession of experiences I have had with Glycobol) I would like to share (later - at bottom of post), and also respond to the 2 quotes below - because I found it very interesting and opened my eyes to the usefulness and true power of the products we've been discussing here.

Nice man! money well spent!

Same here man, bloat and water retention are greatly reduced for me as well, especially on carbs ups. Had my second carb up yesterday with Slin-sane, woke up this morning looking lean, dry, with muscle bellies nice and full. Cant wait to hit the gym tomorrow

Now THIS is quite something... my eye brow instantly shot up when letting the words process through my mind as I cruised along through the remaining pages of this GDA thread to get caught up. The ability of Slin Sane or Glycobol (which I have lengthy experience with) to mitigate the bloating and water retention from either/both post workout shakes as well as the post cheat meal aftermath (usually what amounts to miserable physique havoc and ankle swelling may lay being reaped on me!) is very telling and encouraging. Having heard this report from someone else made me take inventory of my own dosing practices and enjoyed advantages of powerful GDAs such as the current/new offerings woven into this thread. I am a bit of a doubter when it comes to the overarching realm of OTC supplementation, because for so many years I have been jaded and grown caliced by shady ethics, hidden dosing amounts, and an overall agenda that is solely based around profit margins and not supplying the consumer with validated and relevant effective products - but recently after opening up my mind to the plausible potential within the science that constructed Glycobol (and now others I have been made aware of) I am nothing but pleased.

I have absolutely and unequivocally noticed the dramatic reduction in water retention and gastric discomfort in light of a calorie dense post workout shake, or that weekly gluttony binge! In fact... my most recent experience is still fresh in my mind, and in my muscle tissue - which I'll share at the bottom!

wow this thread is still going on?
was perusing the forums and saw this at the top..after reading last few pages, looks like it has turned into a slinsane thread. :sly:

ryox82 - to answer your question, yes these products can be used to 'take the edge off' a crap meal..I've used Pslin and AP in that manner on more than one occasion. :shhh:
but, understand, diet will rule the day over any supp in existence.
crap in = crap out.
the idea is to learn how to make time to eat right, and do it consistently; then, these products can have an immense bearing on body composition.

This is a great point that simply can't be over stated. It in an understood fact that is so obvious far too often it also remains an unspoken fact, and I appreciate you mentioning it. Nutrition is the muscle machinery that is overwhelmingly crucial for nearly every millimeter of progress we enjoy as athletes and bodybuilders, it can be a non-stop working crew of master craftsman - or it can be a 100-ton industrial wrecking ball being flung about with a monkey in the operator's seat! Nutrition is paramount... pivotal... powerful. BUT that being said, I believe Glycobol, SlinSane, Need2Slin, and perhaps SlinShot and Recompadrol are all valuable and indispensable assets in the wealth snap-shot of a thinking and calculating bodybuilder driven to better himself with each passing 24 hour span.

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Now, here is the abridged version of my 'long awaited' (from above) story I thought it would be perfect and pertinent to share here... not only to highlight the eventual efficacy of GDAs when used appropriately over time and with specific intent and attention to timing, but also to illustrate that OTC supplements can in fact, when designed in response to current and scientific findings and upholding quality control, can be a very worthy contributing factory in our ongoing pursuit of hypertrophy.

Yesterday was the anxiously anticipated cheat frenzy I was able to spend with some friends, driving out of town and visiting some tourist sites - which of course included stopping at only the finest most healthy eateries! Ha, well suffice it to say my Anabolic Minds-men, that the word and ideal of a 'buffet' was put to the test and demonstrated by yours truly!! An entire day which was executed on as a cheat session, rather than my usual cheat meal, meant that tripling those calories by basking in the warmth of three meals rather than only one, I would be in some metabolic trouble for sure! Well, being the slave to my body that I am, I took a bottle of Glycobol with me, literally the only item I was focused on grabbing aside from my wallet and keys as I walked out. I put those black and silver caps to very good (and needed) use throughout the day all the way until it was time to flip the switch and recharge around midnight... long story short: All I can say is this morning, W-O-W. My arms, lats, EVERYTHING are so full and tight, it can ONLY be paralleled to that fleeting post-contest feeling that is experienced after months of controlled starvation and cardio followed by raw cookie dough and stuffed crust pizza almost as soon as stepping off stage!

I am very impressed and against all odds... even devoted toward the financial expenditure that is required to stay on a strong and ongoing regimen of GDAs! I am cautiously optimistic about experimenting with the others, since I have only ever been blown away by Glycobol concerning this specific category.

Have a great Sunday everyone I know I will... my upper body is about to burst from the nearly painful super-fed muscle fibers that efficiently mopped up hundreds of carbohydrates yesterday - being put to good use at some point this evening under the bar!

 

[Outstanding]

You make two very interesting points. One is the 90 minutes until glucose modulation is in full effect after the ingestion of Corosolic Acid. That alone would illicit me to alter the dosing of Glycobol. But, when you take the second statement of the efficacy of na-r-ALA with a peak saturation within 20 minutes, it seems that the common recommendation of 20-30 minutes prior to a carb meal makes sense. This would be due to other factors that have to be considered as well, which I quoted below. The breakdown of food into asorbable nutrients will take some time so you have the na-r-ALA to work right away and the Corosolic Acid that takes more time to reach it's full potential, working slowly as your body also slowly digests the food. That seems like a very good combo to me. Does that make sense or am I way off base?

Actually............. no, you're not off base at all. I thought about it, and agree with you almost entirely on every last point. It shouldn't be viewed as a disadvantageous discrepancy in compound timing and peak level duration - since digestion is not an instant or even predictable endeavor by any means, the na-r-ala which goes to work immediately can stave off any blood sugar spikes which could spark a lipo genesis reaction, and the other co-factors (namely, Banaba) in the mixture will support the early/fast effects brought about by the sodium ala over the long run while all the food is assimilated.

I am going to click the rep button for you man, thanks for the good point!

 

[Kristofer68SS]

free is good-i am a big fan of free, but the results you reported don't justify that hefty price tag.


need2 has good stuff-but need2 needs2 lower prices before i buy them.

i hear ya, but before i say a product isnt worth the cash.>>>>

i make it a habit to try it first.

i have been proven wrong in the past. Prime for instance.

 

[thebigt]

i hear ya, but before i say a product isnt worth the cash.>>>>

i make it a habit to try it first.

i have been proven wrong in the past. Prime for instance.

that might be the case if i were looking to enter contests or trying out for a sports team-but i am just an older guy looking to be in good shape with a decent physique.


i know a porshe 911 is a hell of a car and much better than my ford escort-but my escort gets me every where i need to go-for way less money!!!

 

[Kristofer68SS]

that might be the case if i were looking to enter contests or trying out for a sports team-but i am just an older guy looking to be in good shape with a decent physique.


i know a porshe 911 is a hell of a car and much better than my ford escort-but my escort gets me every where i need to go-for way less money!!!

uh-oh. Im a chevy lover, your in trouble.

Value is a personal choice and determination.

I would rather set an Escort on fire than own one, but thats me.

I work on cars/trucks for a living and drive all kinds of them ALL the time though. So I have first hand experience, not just a price tag to look at.

 

[flightposite]

Drink more water? Sorry couldn't resist. That name is almost as eh...odd... as "Golden Finish!"


On a more serious note. I got two bottles of Glycobol that I'm about to use. I also have a bottle of LGS Slin. Would it be a waste to stack the two? I still got a lot to learn about nutrient repartitioners.

atleast its not called golden shower.

 

[Kristofer68SS]

atleast its not called golden shower.

Nice.

lol

 

[thebigt]

lol. Im a chevy lover, your in trouble.

Value is a personal choice and determination.

I would rather set an Escort on fire than own one, but thats me.

I work on cars for a living and drive all kinds of them ALL the time though. So I have first hand experience, not just a price tag to look at.

you are totally missing the point-after adolescence a car is just transportation. as long as i get where i need to go why the hell should i spend anymore than necessary.


the same with need2.

 

[crazyfool405]

I was just researching this, and although the blend looks very solid (www(dot)leanbodyformulations(dot)com/Products(dot)html) but see that it includes Vanadyl Sulfate lower on the list of the proprietary mix (frowns and dies a little inside while typing...) which has never truly been given high marks in efficacy or safety over all the decades it has been used with cyclical popularity, every few years resurfacing (Why wasn't the most bioavailable form BPOV used?). The only studies I have uncovered after hours and weeks of searching seemed to give it very indecisive decisions, often falling into the realm of it is only efficacious in clinicals when dosed over 1,000mg (or 1g) once or twice a day to participants (most products only contain 10mg VS as a standard trend throughout the industry). For the rest of the compound lineup, I have not tried it or heard of the company for that matter, so I cannot honestly dissect it or give anecdotal feedback, but the capsules must be very small because out of two pills there is only an approximate 800mg inclusion of active constituents.

I have been toying with the idea of dusting off the Cap-M-Quick machine, and just buying the readily available na-r-ALA powder, Yellow Gold powder, P-Slin powder, and 20% Corosolic powder from Nutra and making my own cost effective product where I am able to control dosages, quality, and be aware of what compounds in what amounts I am administering. Has anyone else ever created their own similar blend at home from raws to save money?

Comparison of the glucose-lowering properties of vanadyl sulfate and bis(maltolato)oxovanadium(IV) following acute and chronic administration.
Yuen VG, Orvig C, McNeill JH.

Faculty of Pharmaceutical Sciences, University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada.

Abstract
Numerous studies, both in vitro and in vivo, have demonstrated the insulin-mimetic properties of vanadium. Chronic oral administration of inorganic and organic compounds of both vanadium(IV) and vanadium(V) reduced plasma glucose levels and restored plasma lipid levels in streptozotocin-diabetic rats. We investigated the acute effects of both vanadyl sulfate and bis(maltolato)oxovanadium(IV) (BMOV), an organic vanadium compound, on plasma glucose levels by several routes of administration. Previous studies have shown that chronic administration of vanadyl sulfate has resulted in a sustained euglycemia following withdrawal of the drug. This effect was not observed following the chronic administration of BMOV; therefore, we investigated the effect of increasing the concentration of BMOV on the production of a sustained euglycemic response. An acute plasma glucose lowering effect was obtained with both vanadyl sulfate and BMOV when administered as a single dose by either oral gavage or intraperitoneal injection. In those animals that responded to vanadium treatment, plasma glucose levels were within the normal range within 2 to 6 h when given by i.p. injection or within 4 to 8 h when given by oral gavage. BMOV-treated rats that responded to treatment maintained the euglycemic effect for extended periods, ranging from 1 to 14 weeks following administration. However, vanadyl sulfate treated rats reverted to hyperglycemia within 12 to 24 h, depending on the route of administration. Intravenous administration of BMOV was effective in lowering plasma glucose levels only when administered by continuous infusion. An oral dose-response curve showed that BMOV was 2 to 3 times as potent as vanadyl sulfate. This difference in potency was observed with both oral and intraperitoneal administration, which suggests that the increase in potency with BMOV cannot be totally attributed to increased gastrointestinal absorption. Organic chelation of vanadium may facilitate uptake into vanadium-sensitive tissues. Chronic oral administration of higher concentrations of BMOV did not result in a sustained reduction in plasma glucose following withdrawal of the drug. All diabetic rats eventually responded to increased concentrations of BMOV with a restoration of plasma glucose levels to normal values; however, reversion to the hyperglycemic state occurred within 2 days of withdrawal of treatment. Chronic oral administration of BMOV did not produce a sustained euglycemic effect following withdrawal, but acute administration of the compound by either oral gavage or intraperitoneal injection did produce a long-term reduction in plasma glucose levels. Rats treated chronically with vanadyl sulfate remained euglycemic even after the drug was withdrawn. However, acute treatment produced only a transient euglycemia.


What you are doing with the orgovanadium is increasing bioavailability in vanadium sensitive tissues, as well as increasing potency, 20mg BMOV is ~50mg VS. VS is poorly absorbed however effective even while sustaining greater insulin sensitivity 2 weeks after cessation, the same was not shown for BMOV.

Thats why VS was chosen over BMOV. People cycle off supplements, and want partioning effects to remain.

Insulin sensitivity from VS is for up to 2 weeks post cessation, and Garcinia is up to 22 days until weight regain showed in a few studies.

 

[Kristofer68SS]

you are totally missing the point-after adolescence a car is just transportation. as long as i get where i need to go why the hell should i spend anymore than necessary.


the same with need2.

Nah, i didnt miss the comparison. not at all. I just dont agree. Not one bit.

However, you missed the point of value.

Value without personal experience, holds no weight, imo

Without personal experience how can you value or de-value any sports supplement?

 

[thebigt]

Nah, i didnt miss the comparison. not at all. I just dont agree. Not one bit.

However, you missed the point of value.

Value without personal experience, holds no weight, imo

Without personal experience how can you value or de-value any supplement?

At least, in sports supplementation.

ok, i spend $8 for a 10ml vial of test cyp-is that value enough for you? supps need2 come down in price they don't need2 keep going up. it is people willing to spend ridiculous prices for supps that keep the prices climbing upwards. we need2 draw the line somewhere.

 

[kingjameskjf]

Actually............. no, you're not off base at all. I thought about it, and agree with you almost entirely on every last point. It shouldn't be viewed as a disadvantageous discrepancy in compound timing and peak level duration - since digestion is not an instant or even predictable endeavor by any means, the na-r-ala which goes to work immediately can stave off any blood sugar spikes which could spark a lipo genesis reaction, and the other co-factors (namely, Banaba) in the mixture will support the early/fast effects brought about by the sodium ala over the long run while all the food is assimilated.

I am going to click the rep button for you man, thanks for the good point!

Cool, that's what I was getting at. Good to see that it made some sense.

atleast its not called golden shower.

ehk, do not want!

 

[Kristofer68SS]

ok, i spend $8 for a 10ml vial of test cyp-is that value enough for you? supps need2 come down in price they don't need2 keep going up. it is people willing to spend ridiculous prices for supps that keep the prices climbing upwards. we need2 draw the line somewhere.

Okay, your insurance picks up the rest of the cyp cost and/or you have a dr script. That doesnt count and you know it.

Like i said, your determining value based on a sticker price and not experience.

My attempts at logical reasoning are futile.

Have a nice day bigt.

lol