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Not taking anything personal . Lol . WTF ??? Please point out what sentence or part of my comment that makes you think I'm taking any of this personally ? There is NO anger in anything I write either. If there is PERCEIVED anger , it's only because of the tone of voice the person whom is reading CHOOSES to read it in ........how they GUESS I would be saying it . They are ALL illegal , it's just the goverment does not have nearly enough funding for the agencies that police this stuff to hire enough people to go after and charge every single company and website selling the stuff . The stuff is not legal just because people are getting away with selling it . Lol . If we use that logic , crack and heroin are legal all over the US and all around the world . Lol . I mean , they aren't locking up every single person selling crack and heroin , tons of people are getting away with it , so therefore it must be legal by your logic . Lol . Go read the law a few hundred more times . Do I have to link you warning letters companies have received for selling DMZ , m1 alpha and others ? Why would they get warning letters if they were legal ??? People call it the grey market because they are misinformed and are just repeating what they've heard or read on the internet .
The bottom line is they are not legal, companies can get in trouble for selling them (as proven by the FDA warning letters), but unlike the steroids that are explicitly named I have never heard of a case of the government prosecuting an individual for buying them only companies selling them, so in that regard they are similar to Sarms, but at the same time they are also dissimilar to Sarms (which are a grey market compound) because unlike Sarms they technically fit the statute’s definition of a controlled substance due to their molecular structure being that of an anabolic steroid. They do not have to be specially named as the statute is all encompassing with it’s “similar to” wording. Eventually I predict they will be explicitly named by the government to reduce their availability then they will completely be sold only on the black market like steroids such as Dianabol (not at some mom and pop supplement stores where they can be found now).
 

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Not taking anything personal . Lol . WTF ??? Please point out what sentence or part of my comment that makes you think I'm taking any of this personally ? There is NO anger in anything I write either. If there is PERCEIVED anger , it's only because of the tone of voice the person whom is reading CHOOSES to read it in ........how they GUESS I would be saying it . They are ALL illegal , it's just the goverment does not have nearly enough funding for the agencies that police this stuff to hire enough people to go after and charge every single company and website selling the stuff . The stuff is not legal just because people are getting away with selling it . Lol . If we use that logic , crack and heroin are legal all over the US and all around the world . Lol . I mean , they aren't locking up every single person selling crack and heroin , tons of people are getting away with it , so therefore it must be legal by your logic . Lol . Go read the law a few hundred more times . Do I have to link you warning letters companies have received for selling DMZ , m1 alpha and others ? Why would they get warning letters if they were legal ??? People call it the grey market because they are misinformed and are just repeating what they've heard or read on the internet .
I said stop taking it personal because I saw you write the same thing about 4 times to different people, so I felt the subject was very important to you Obviously. Didn’t mean to be harsh in any way. We all have our opinions and we don’t have to agree on everything it’s all good brother chill out :)
 
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I’ve never met anyone that’s ever met or known anyone that’s been in any trouble with the law due to anabolic steroid possession, legal, not legal, grey market, black market. I don’t care, LE definitely doesn’t care.
This is too big of an arguing point when 99% of us don’t care either way.
As far as I’m concerned, if they aren’t specifically named and I buy them online, I wouldn’t even hide them like I would a vial of NPP, and I would guarantee LE wouldn’t do a thing about it if they saw it.
FDA has far too much power to even be able to utter “well if it even looks like XYZ in structure, then its illegal too”
**** that.
 
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I don't think law enforcement has the resources(time, manpower, money) to track down every joe bob that has a personal amount of juice. They are after the big fish. The dealers. They don't care about little fish. Same with most drugs, unless they involve a worse crime like domestic abuse, child endangerment( Meth laying around, needles) or drugs involving accidental overdose(omg my sun died because this guy gave him bad x.) or murders etc.

Out here, if they bust you with Meth, h, whatever, they just cite you with a court date. Bust you for possession without intent to sell.

If your distributing thats a whole nother ball game
 
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I don't think law enforcement has the resources(time, manpower, money) to track down every joe bob that has a personal amount of juice. They are after the big fish. The dealers. They don't care about little fish. Same with most drugs, unless they involve a worse crime like domestic abuse, child endangerment( Meth laying around, needles) or drugs involving accidental overdose(omg my sun died because this guy gave him bad x.) or murders etc.

Out here, if they bust you with Meth, h, whatever, they just cite you with a court date. Bust you for possession without intent to sell.

If your distributing thats a whole nother ball game
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Or they don’t care what the average gym rat does with their body. Meth, crack, heroin, all cause problems, people use them and die, people prostitute, people steal, people leave their kids in a public bathroom and go meet someone to get high and forget them. It’s a losing battle, but cops want to see people off these drugs.
What would motivate cops to want to see bodybuilders off steroids? When they themselves loooovvvve staying in shape(some of them)
I’ve know quite a few cops that use aas, mainly trying to stay on the grey side of the law at least.

The ones opposed to and cracking down on these practically harmless drugs (especially compared to the other drugs scheduled the same way) are the ones who will find a way to make them legal one day, so long as they aren’t losing money anymore. The rest of our executive branch, does not care about them.
 

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Or they don’t care what the average gym rat does with their body. Meth, crack, heroin, all cause problems, people use them and die, people prostitute, people steal, people leave their kids in a public bathroom and go meet someone to get high and forget them. It’s a losing battle, but cops want to see people off these drugs.
What would motivate cops to want to see bodybuilders off steroids? When they themselves loooovvvve staying in shape(some of them)
I’ve know quite a few cops that use aas, mainly trying to stay on the grey side of the law at least.

The ones opposed to and cracking down on these practically harmless drugs (especially compared to the other drugs scheduled the same way) are the ones who will find a way to make them legal one day, so long as they aren’t losing money anymore. The rest of our executive branch, does not care about them.
One thing I always think of when I think about the legality of AAS is, could a movement to legalize AAS gain enough momentum to actually change perception and policy like the legalization of marijuana did?
 
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One thing I always think of when I think about the legality of AAS is, could a movement to legalize AAS gain enough momentum to actually change perception and policy like the legalization of marijuana did?
If any of them cared enough, Bigger Faster Stronger actually made me want it to be legal by the end of the documentary.

Another thing that I think is silly is the idea that if someone wants to do something, making it illegal will deter them. Nobody cares. Teenagers will always find a way to get steroids.

They don’t die from them, it just has consequences, just like fucking your 16 year old girlfriend, texting and driving, dropping out of high school, hell swimming in the ocean even. All have consequences too.
Like high school football players are all “uh no I can’t gain 20lbs of muscle because that’s illegal guys, you can count me out” - said no kid ever....
 
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Or they don’t care what the average gym rat does with their body. Meth, crack, heroin, all cause problems, people use them and die, people prostitute, people steal, people leave their kids in a public bathroom and go meet someone to get high and forget them. It’s a losing battle, but cops want to see people off these drugs.
What would motivate cops to want to see bodybuilders off steroids? When they themselves loooovvvve staying in shape(some of them)
I’ve know quite a few cops that use aas, mainly trying to stay on the grey side of the law at least.

The ones opposed to and cracking down on these practically harmless drugs (especially compared to the other drugs scheduled the same way) are the ones who will find a way to make them legal one day, so long as they aren’t losing money anymore. The rest of our executive branch, does not care about them.
Ok this is my opinion. I don't think cops care about peoples health... They are there to do there jobs... Crime and punishment. Im sure there are some cops that care, but can you imagine what it would do to their psyche and mental state if they had a bleeding heart? They wouldn't be able to sleep! there are a bunch of corrupt cops as well.. Putting drugs in the streets. These druggies are keeping the cops paid. You know how much our government makes off drugs? How much they make putting people in prison? Its all corrupt. now of course there are good ones... I had two parents who are now retired and were sheriff's for 30 years. And two brothers that are sheriffs. I have my experiences as well. In jail they really treat you like shet lol. If LE and the prison system REALLY cared about the welfare of common man, they would focus more on actually rehabilitating people in prison. Like other countries do. Other countries at least try to help these guys get better and set up a future for them by trying to help them learn and get skills in the pen. In america, its a slaughterhouse. You go in a criminal, and come out even worse.

This country runs on drug money.

DUI? thousands and thousands. Drug busts are all about money.

But yea like I said if it involved child endangerment, domestic violence, someone getting hurt then its different. ESPECIALLY if theres kids involved. But guys fukkin themselves up? I doubt it makes them sleep bad at night. They do lovw there juice tho
 
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Or they don’t care what the average gym rat does with their body. Meth, crack, heroin, all cause problems, people use them and die, people prostitute, people steal, people leave their kids in a public bathroom and go meet someone to get high and forget them. It’s a losing battle, but cops want to see people off these drugs.
What would motivate cops to want to see bodybuilders off steroids? When they themselves loooovvvve staying in shape(some of them)
I’ve know quite a few cops that use aas, mainly trying to stay on the grey side of the law at least.

The ones opposed to and cracking down on these practically harmless drugs (especially compared to the other drugs scheduled the same way) are the ones who will find a way to make them legal one day, so long as they aren’t losing money anymore. The rest of our executive branch, does not care about them.
So you know I'm not disagreeing man. I just think, IMO cops could give a crap less what drugs are doing to you. It keeps them in work!
 

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Not taking anything personal . Lol . WTF ??? Please point out what sentence or part of my comment that makes you think I'm taking any of this personally ? There is NO anger in anything I write either. If there is PERCEIVED anger , it's only because of the tone of voice the person whom is reading CHOOSES to read it in ........how they GUESS I would be saying it . They are ALL illegal , it's just the goverment does not have nearly enough funding for the agencies that police this stuff to hire enough people to go after and charge every single company and website selling the stuff . The stuff is not legal just because people are getting away with selling it . Lol . If we use that logic , crack and heroin are legal all over the US and all around the world . Lol . I mean , they aren't locking up every single person selling crack and heroin , tons of people are getting away with it , so therefore it must be legal by your logic . Lol . Go read the law a few hundred more times . Do I have to link you warning letters companies have received for selling DMZ , m1 alpha and others ? Why would they get warning letters if they were legal ??? People call it the grey market because they are misinformed and are just repeating what they've heard or read on the internet .
I think perhaps you are misinformed. Dmz, msten, and alpha one are all still legal to possess. These companies are getting warnings from the FDA because they are selling gray area steroids as dietary supplements. However, as of last May, none of these compounds are scheduled drugs.
 
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I think perhaps you are misinformed. Dmz, msten, and alpha one are all still legal to possess. These companies are getting warnings from the FDA because they are selling gray area steroids as dietary supplements. However, as of last May, none of these compounds are scheduled drugs.
Exactly.

Scheduled needs to be quite specific.
And really, Unless it’s in a vial, and doesn’t clearly look black market, i doubt if LE found some PH/DS in your car, they would care at all and bother citing you and having it analyzed to be sure the little capsules our scheduled and waste as massive amount of resources doing so.
 

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I think perhaps you are misinformed. Dmz, msten, and alpha one are all still legal to possess. These companies are getting warnings from the FDA because they are selling gray area steroids as dietary supplements. However, as of last May, none of these compounds are scheduled drugs.
Wrong, they are legal to possess but illegal to sell as ANYTHING. Read the law
 

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I’ve never met anyone that’s ever met or known anyone that’s been in any trouble with the law due to anabolic steroid possession, legal, not legal, grey market, black market. I don’t care, LE definitely doesn’t care.
This is too big of an arguing point when 99% of us don’t care either way.
As far as I’m concerned, if they aren’t specifically named and I buy them online, I wouldn’t even hide them like I would a vial of NPP, and I would guarantee LE wouldn’t do a thing about it if they saw it.
FDA has far too much power to even be able to utter “well if it even looks like XYZ in structure, then its illegal too”
**** that.
Cops in my city PRETEND to care about steroids being sold. They pulled my friend over whom sells to almost everyone that uses at my gym, and they said they know what he's up to and just rolled him for what he had. A out 3 grand worth of gear and then sent him on his way.
Now if he had crack on him , which he also sells , he would have been arested for sure. Who knows , thet might have been watching him and thought most or all of his transactions were roids. But you'd think they would know by how the clientele look. Lol
 

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Exactly.

Scheduled needs to be quite specific.
And really, Unless it’s in a vial, and doesn’t clearly look black market, i doubt if LE found some PH/DS in your car, they would care at all and bother citing you and having it analyzed to be sure the little capsules our scheduled and waste as massive amount of resources doing so.
Plus the chance of a cop knowing the names of ph's and what's legal and what isn't is so slim, and even then, if it's a bottle from a supplement company and not a ugl, if anything you're the victim of a company selling adulterated supplements you're not going to be punished for possessing them. Your stuff might get confiscated though to build a case against the store that sold it or company that makes it.
 

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Actually, I have read the law. And once again you are wrong. It is legal to sell them as research chemicals. When purchasing a research chemical you sign off that what you are purchasing isn’t for human consumption.
Then why do I see almost NOBODY selling them as research chemicals then ??? Only places that sell them as research chems are research chem sites. FACT
 

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Show us one bottle of prohormones not from a research chem site labeled as research chemicals not for human use.
 

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Show us one bottle of prohormones not from a research chem site labeled as research chemicals not for human use.
I was going to type out a in depth reply. The fact that you don’t know what I am talking about when I say RC site, the fact that you don’t understand the game leads me to believe you are on here fishing for information. Also, overzealous use of the caps lock doesn’t make you any smarter.
 

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I was going to type out a in depth reply. The fact that you don’t know what I am talking about when I say RC site, the fact that you don’t understand the game leads me to believe you are on here fishing for information. Also, overzealous use of the caps lock doesn’t make you any smarter.
Huh ??? Lol. Dude you never even wrote " RC site " before this last comment . So how in the hell could you even claim I don't what you were talking about when you mentioned RC sites ? Lol

Wow are you dumb .
 
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I was going to type out a in depth reply. The fact that you don’t know what I am talking about when I say RC site, the fact that you don’t understand the game leads me to believe you are on here fishing for information. Also, overzealous use of the caps lock doesn’t make you any smarter.
Dude you are nitpicking now , looking for any reason little reason to have a problem . Lol. I used the caps for only 3 words in 3 separate comments ....... words that were important and needed to be in caps for effect. In 3 comments out of my maybe 7-8 comments in this thread is certainly not overzealous use of caps. I simply do it to make a point stick out, to drive a point home. I have 127 comments on here going back over a year . YOU are new blood here . Fishing for information ? Lol
 

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Dude you are nitpicking now , looking for any reason little reason to have a problem . Lol. I used the caps for only 3 words in 3 separate comments ....... words that were important and needed to be in caps for effect. In 3 comments out of my maybe 7-8 comments in this thread is certainly not overzealous use of caps. I simply do it to make a point stick out, to drive a point home. I have 127 comments on here going back over a year . YOU are new blood here . Fishing for information ? Lol
Okay. So there are people working for the federal government that hang out in sites like these to figure out how we skirt the law, what hormones we use that haven’t been scheduled, and that have. They are cracking down. Five years ago or less you could by Msten at the vitamin shop. Obviously that’s not the case anymore.https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/resources/files/wada-davis-internet-surveillance.pdf
 

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Okay. So there are people working for the federal government that hang out in sites like these to figure out how we skirt the law, what hormones we use that haven’t been scheduled, and that have. They are cracking down. Five years ago or less you could by Msten at the vitamin shop. Obviously that’s not the case anymore.https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/resources/files/wada-davis-internet-surveillance.pdf
So when you come across as completely inept at the RC game it seems suspicious. You say”show us a prohormone labeled research chemical not sold by a research chem site” WTF??? Where did you think you were going to find this supps R us? You’re going to find this at a research chemical site. There isn’t as many as there used to be treading this line out there but a simple google search for say Msten or Trestolone will still net you a handful of choices. Almost none of them are going to be selling these items as supplements because that is illegal. Guess what they are selling them as??? Guess what they say they are in the business of selling??? Get it? How long have you been doing this?
 

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So when you come across as completely inept at the RC game it seems suspicious. You say”show us a prohormone labeled research chemical not sold by a research chem site” WTF??? Where did you think you were going to find this supps R us? You’re going to find this at a research chemical site. There isn’t as many as there used to be treading this line out there but a simple google search for say Msten or Trestolone will still net you a handful of choices. Almost none of them are going to be selling these items as supplements because that is illegal. Guess what they are selling them as??? Guess what they say they are in the business of selling??? Get it? How long have you been doing this?
You couldn't be more WRONG dude . Lol
Go check out Ebay . And the website Mass Supplements . And there's a few other American sites selling prohormones that are not RC sites . So clearly YOU don't know what you're talking about . There's a ton of prohormones being sold on Ebay that are not years old , that are current and they are NOT labeled as research chemicals . I didn't ask because I was fishing for info , you dope . I asked because I live on the computer and I know a lot is being sold that is not labeled as an RC. You clearly think you are way smarter than you actually are . Lol . And you have a really big attitude problem for a newbie on here . Which is why I'm being so rude back to you. You don't just jump into a new site and act like you know everything and act you know more than people have been doing this clearly longer than you .
 
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You couldn't be more WRONG dude . Lol
Go check out Ebay . And the website Mass Supplements . And there's a few other American sites selling prohormones that are not RC sites . So clearly YOU don't know what you're talking about . There's a ton of prohoprmones being sold on Ebay that are not years old , that are current and they are NOT labeled as research chemicals . I didn't ask because I was fishing for info , you dope . I asked because I live on the computer and I know a lot is being sold that is not labeled as an RC. You are clearly retarded and think you are way smarter than you actually are . Lol
I was going to type out a in depth reply. The fact that you don’t know what I am talking about when I say RC site, the fact that you don’t understand the game leads me to believe you are on here fishing for information. Also, overzealous use of the caps lock doesn’t make you any smarter.
What did I write that made you even think I didn't know what you meant by RC site ? Lol. Dude you are so badly looking for an argument that your itty bitty mind is inventing comments that I never wrote . Lol
 

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Then why do I see almost NOBODY selling them as research chemicals then ??? Only places that sell them as research chems are research chem sites. FACT
You see this comment right here ......... this comment is basically telling you that I know of a bunch of places selling prohormones that are not labeled as research chems .
 

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So when you come across as completely inept at the RC game it seems suspicious. You say”show us a prohormone labeled research chemical not sold by a research chem site” WTF??? Where did you think you were going to find this supps R us? You’re going to find this at a research chemical site. There isn’t as many as there used to be treading this line out there but a simple google search for say Msten or Trestolone will still net you a handful of choices. Almost none of them are going to be selling these items as supplements because that is illegal. Guess what they are selling them as??? Guess what they say they are in the business of selling??? Get it? How long have you been doing this?
They need to boot your sorry ass off this site already .
 

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So when you come across as completely inept at the RC game it seems suspicious. You say”show us a prohormone labeled research chemical not sold by a research chem site” WTF??? Where did you think you were going to find this supps R us? You’re going to find this at a research chemical site. There isn’t as many as there used to be treading this line out there but a simple google search for say Msten or Trestolone will still net you a handful of choices. Almost none of them are going to be selling these items as supplements because that is illegal. Guess what they are selling them as??? Guess what they say they are in the business of selling??? Get it? How long have you been doing this?
Tons of prohormones are being sold on regular sites that are NOT labeled as research chemicals. That's why I said show us one bottle not sold on an RC site that is labeled as an RC . WoW........just WoW

You obviously don't know nearly as much as you think .
 

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Tons of prohormones are being sold on regular sites that are NOT labeled as research chemicals. That's why I said show us one bottle not sold on an RC site that is labeled as an RC . WoW........just WoW

You obviously don't know nearly as much as you think .
I believe the original question in this thread was which ph/ds are still legal. You claimed they were all illegal now. I said you are wrong, which you are. You said that companies were getting cracked down on by the FDA for selling them. I said that’s because it’s illegal to sell them as dietary supplements because they are banned substances. The are not scheduled drugs at this point so they are legal to possess. My point with the RC thing was that that is a way to legally sell these substances. You’re right, there still is a lot of these products floating around on eBay, hell Medfit is still operating their online store as well as a few other ballsy businesses. Not that I give a flying ****, but back to the original point about legality, that would be illegal. That’s what this whole thread was about or is your pea brain incapable of keeping track.
 

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I believe the original question in this thread was which ph/ds are still legal. You claimed they were all illegal now. I said you are wrong, which you are. You said that companies were getting cracked down on by the FDA for selling them. I said that’s because it’s illegal to sell them as dietary supplements because they are banned substances. The are not scheduled drugs at this point so they are legal to possess. My point with the RC thing was that that is a way to legally sell these substances. You’re right, there still is a lot of these products floating around on eBay, hell Medfit is still operating their online store as well as a few other ballsy businesses. Not that I give a flying ****, but back to the original point about legality, that would be illegal. That’s what this whole thread was about or is your pea brain incapable of keeping track.
Somebody kick this rude punk off this site already . You seem very mad that I proved you WRONG that there are plenty of places selling pro's not labeled as RCs. And lets just forget where you said I didn't know what you meant by RC site when at that point you hadn't even mentioned it yet . Lol. Oh but I'm the one that can't keep track ? Lol ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha . Conversations go where they go , dude . You are clearly very VERY immature........... obviously too young and dumb to be on this site.
 
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Honestly, the legality of this stuff doesn’t really matter. FDA is going to zero in on what’s left and ban it, at that point, RCs won’t sell it either. They will stick with AIs, peptides, Pde5 inhibitors and others “for research purposes” until they get shut down too. 2 RCs have closed just last month. The majority of us are using illegal ped’s, and do so without any trouble buying or possessing them, so what little we can get now legally is simply a convenience and sometimes more affordable.

The sooner they all get shut down, the better, so we can all just use UGLs for everything. China will see to it we always have what we need in this country, so this argument is silly
 

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Here's the way those companies get away with not labeling their products as research chemicals....................... at least 2 very popular brands on that auction site do not have contact info on the labels and no address. One that I am thinking of even has a totally fake address listed.
 
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Here's the way those companies get away with not labeling their products as research chemicals....................... at least 2 very popular brands on that auction site do not have contact info on the labels and no address. One that I am thinking of even has a totally fake address listed.
They don’t need to do anything at all until the drugs are specifically named and scheduled....
Msten and DMZ, along with trestolone, desoxy-t, Dienolone, and some others weren’t named in the last huge fda ban, therefore they are fully legal to sell, although the fda is simply sending warnings not to, which means about as much as when I get a notice from my ISP to stop downloading OR ELSE.
RCs and still legal PH/DS are totally different things. RCs simply took advantage of these last remaining drugs that haven’t been named yet, to sell along with their other inventory.
10 years ago, RCs didn’t mess with steroids at all, they were just peptides and AIs etc.
 

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Honestly, the legality of this stuff doesn’t really matter. FDA is going to zero in on what’s left and ban it, at that point, RCs won’t sell it either. They will stick with AIs, peptides, Pde5 inhibitors and others “for research purposes” until they get shut down too. 2 RCs have closed just last month. The majority of us are using illegal ped’s, and do so without any trouble buying or possessing them, so what little we can get now legally is simply a convenience and sometimes more affordable.

The sooner they all get shut down, the better, so we can all just use UGLs for everything. China will see to it we always have what we need in this country, so this argument is silly
Totally silly. But it did make me chuckle regularly for a couple days. FACT!!
 

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Honestly, the legality of this stuff doesn’t really matter. FDA is going to zero in on what’s left and ban it, at that point, RCs won’t sell it either. They will stick with AIs, peptides, Pde5 inhibitors and others “for research purposes” until they get shut down too. 2 RCs have closed just last month. The majority of us are using illegal ped’s, and do so without any trouble buying or possessing them, so what little we can get now legally is simply a convenience and sometimes more affordable.

The sooner they all get shut down, the better, so we can all just use UGLs for everything. China will see to it we always have what we need in this country, so this argument is silly
Totally silly. But it did make me chuckle regularly for a couple days. FACT!!
 
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Well I hope its better than the original IBE version as all I got from that was the WORST shin pumps in my life and practically no gains.
Not hating...i just hope its effective.

Oh and i just noted its PN so hope its not like their SD.
It is a "PN exclusive", so we'll see how it goes.
 
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Very possible, but not sure why Gasparis was targeted and the company issued a recall themselves, not just recalled by the fda alone
It probably worked too well for a dietary supplement, you know they ban pretty much everything that works eventually
 

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Well I hope its better than the original IBE version as all I got from that was the WORST shin pumps in my life and practically no gains.
Not hating...i just hope its effective.

Oh and i just noted its PN so hope its not like their SD.
I've tried several Epistane products including Havoc for cut, recomp and bulk and nothing works on me.
The pump is there as you say but nothing more, no gains in strenght or in muscles.
Many people seems to like it but I believe I'am a non responder.
 

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I've tried several Epistane products including Havoc for cut, recomp and bulk and nothing works on me.
The pump is there as you say but nothing more, no gains in strenght or in muscles.
Many people seems to like it but I believe I'am a non responder.
Well the old IBE gave me worse shin pumps than M1-T but with the added addition of zero gains. I'll be giving this PN version a pass and stick with Halodrol if i go down the PH route.
 
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Plus the chance of a cop knowing the names of ph's and what's legal and what isn't is so slim, and even then, if it's a bottle from a supplement company and not a ugl, if anything you're the victim of a company selling adulterated supplements you're not going to be punished for possessing them. Your stuff might get confiscated though to build a case against the store that sold it or company that makes it.
I had a cop pull me over. I had my gym bag with me. This was a couple years ago. The bottle in my bag said HMG-89. "Test booster"

It had
Hdrol
Epi
Max-lmg
Superdrol

He asked, "what are these?" I just said "workout pills." Lol. He tossed them back in and didn't care. Those are all illegal steroids I believe!
 
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Cops don’t care unless you have a lotta **** or hard stuff they can get ya for like prescription related drugs. They just don’t have time honestly
 
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Cops don’t care unless you have a lotta **** or hard stuff they can get ya for like prescription related drugs. They just don’t have time honestly
They really don't. They want the big fish. Big bust. Big drugs. Big bucks.

Not a kid with a bottle of prohormones or a guy with 2 test bottles a tren and deca bottle and some nolvadex.

From what I've been seeing since the early 2000s, the "prohormones" come out, sell for awhile, then kids take them and get there livers effed up, or they get suicidal, or something happens that raises attention to that particular PH. Something bad happens, then they go "yea this is bad" and make it illegal.

When you could by M1T at GNC and all the kids were taking it and losing there hair, fukkin up there livers, and growing tits, thats what draws negative attention to them and they get banned.

If it works, it will probably be made illegal lol
 
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I had a cop pull me over. I had my gym bag with me. This was a couple years ago. The bottle in my bag said HMG-89. "Test booster"

It had
Hdrol
Epi
Max-lmg
Superdrol

He asked, "what are these?" I just said "workout pills." Lol. He tossed them back in and didn't care. Those are all illegal steroids I believe!
The cop went through your bag??
 

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