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I’m looking to run my first andro, what would be best for a recomp/lean bulk whilst also getting some libido boost?
 
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I've only used Alpha Seven so far with Ultra-Epi, but the recomp effects have been awesome. The scale weight hasn't changed at all (202 lbs) but the changes in the mirror have been substantial. I'm looking forward to trying Alpha Four and Icon One in the furture.
 
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Icon One is the best lean builder - you can stack with something like androhard or alpha seven to increase the leaning and hardening effects while also causing some nice libido boosting effects
 
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Icon One is the best lean builder - you can stack with something like ULTRAhard or alpha seven to increase the leaning and hardening effects while also causing some nice libido boosting effects
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Thanks for the replies.

I’ll be looking to run solo until money permits so would you say icon one in that case?
I think icon one is a safe bet, but I’m having great results with ultra hard for similar purposes. Only 5 days in and seeing changes. I imagine icon one being a little stronger, but Imo it’s hard to go wrong
 
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1 and 4 Andro combo has all treated me well in recomp area while giving me zero sides.
 

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How is libido on ultra hard?
Ultra hard!

On a serious note, it’s an increase for sure. I’m 24 so I’m not deficient in that area, but it’s noticeable. There’s also a mental/feel good effect from it where I don’t let things get to me as much, I have less on my mind, and am more in the mood on average
 
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Ultra hard!

On a serious note, it’s an increase for sure. I’m 24 so I’m not deficient in that area, but it’s noticeable. There’s also a mental/feel good effect from it where I don’t let things get to me as much, I have less on my mind, and am more in the mood on average
good to hear that a healthy 24 year old is seeing increase in libido from ultrahard...i know i did but i am well over twice your age.
 
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Ultra Hard demand has been insane this last week...people are loving it! Looks like it may sell out before our next lot of material arrives
 
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Ultra Hard demand has been insane this last week...people are loving it! Looks like it may sell out before our next lot of material arrives
the word is out!!!
 

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how 1-andro is really androgenic? I mean side effects like hair growth stimulation on back/face or boldness? Have you noticed anything like this? I read it doesnt convert to DHT but same time is described as androgenic..
 
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I’m looking to run my first andro, what would be best for a recomp/lean bulk whilst also getting some libido boost?
CEL Stano-Plex would be my recommendation. Its as mild as they come (epi-andro) in terms of sides, but the benefits (at least for me and most of the others) were stellar. Improved size, pumps, strength, power, agression, mood, libido and body comp... literally everything you can ask for.

One thing to be cognizant of (that everyone screws up their first cycle, espeically with andros) - TEMPER YOUR EXPECTATIONS. You have to be realistic. Anrdos are NOT going to give you 10+lb of muslce in 4 weeks while improving body comp and doubling strength. These are unrealistic expectations that 3g cycles of hardcore injectables would barely accomplish. As long as you understand and have realistic expectations (~5lb of lean mass for a newer lifter in 8 weeks is probably reasonable) you will enjoy
 
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Is alpha seven too suppressive ? @del
I've only used Alpha Seven so far with Ultra-Epi, but the recomp effects have been awesome. The scale weight hasn't changed at all (202 lbs) but the changes in the mirror have been substantial. I'm looking forward to trying Alpha Four and Icon One in the furture.
How much would alpha seven impact the HPTA? Is the dose of androsterone enough to require a PCT?
 
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Is alpha seven too suppressive ? @del

How much would alpha seven impact the HPTA? Is the dose of androsterone enough to require a PCT?
I'd generally recommend sustain alpha as a mild PCT for a basic Alpha Seven run.
 
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can you get away with sustain alpha pct for ultra hard too or is a serm best advised?
 
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Ultra Hard should be mildly suppressive, so Sustain should be fine for a solo Ultra Hard run

The Testosterone Recovery Stack is our full PCT stack - this is what I recommend for longer runs of the Ph's (like 8 weeks) and for the Icon One and Alpha Four, as these are more suppressive compounds.
 

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Ultra Hard should be mildly suppressive, so Sustain should be fine for a solo Ultra Hard run

The Testosterone Recovery Stack is our full PCT stack - this is what I recommend for longer runs of the Ph's (like 8 weeks) and for the Icon One and Alpha Four, as these are more suppressive compounds.
Thanks for getting back, thats good to hear. Its not that I have anything against serms, its just with the routes you have to take to get them, ur never quite sure what ur getting. What would you recommend? 2 bottles of ultra hard and 2 bottles of sustain?
 

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Hi Guys,
Could you please reply to my lame question? What are the androgenic side effects from 1-andro? Im most concern about body hair growth.
 
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Hi Guys,
Could you please reply to my lame question? What are the androgenic side effects from 1-andro? Im most concern about body hair growth.
Never heard of body hair growth being an issue. Hair loss is possible.
 

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Thank you, my concern is body- so back, chest, ears etc. I’m not concern about my head :)), im bold anyway.
 
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@delsolrob what size are the 7 Keto Gel?
I received an email and blow 3 bottles right away
 
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@delsolrob what size are the 7 Keto Gel?
I received an email and blow 3 bottles right away
they’re in the same bottles as the rest of the gels - each bottle contains 3,000mg 7-keto

this would be a pretty great stack with ThermoAmp
 

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@delsolrob What do you think a person could expect from an 8 week run of Alpha 4 stacked with Alpha 7?
 
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@delsolrob What do you think a person could expect from an 8 week run of Alpha 4 stacked with Alpha 7?
This is really diet dependent, but I could see this is either a really feel good recomp or leaning stack - it just depends on the diet.
 

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This is really diet dependent, but I could see this is either a really feel good recomp or leaning stack - it just depends on the diet.
Exactly what Im looking for for a late spring run! Androsterone sounds like a really fun compound from everything Ive read!
 
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@delsolrob What do you think a person could expect from an 8 week run of Alpha 4 stacked with Alpha 7?
increased mood/feel good/libido/muscle hardening/vascularity were the 1st things i noticed, then came the leaning and after that strength and recovery....i was already pretty lean but the muscle hardening and vascularity really accentuated muscle tone...

i only ran alpha four with alpha seven for 1 month...now i am using alpha four and ultra hard.....since i am a rep i like to experiment with different combos so i am able to give 1st hand personal experience on the products.
 
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increased mood/feel good/libido/muscle hardening/vascularity were the 1st things i noticed, then came the leaning and after that strength and recovery....i was already pretty lean but the muscle hardening and vascularity really accentuated muscle tone...

i only ran alpha four with alpha seven for 1 month...now i am using alpha four and ultra hard.....since i am a rep i like to experiment with different combos so i am able to give 1st hand personal experience on the products.
So how would you compare the two stacks. I will eventually look to add ultra hard or Alpha seven... as you have ran both with an identical product (Alpha four), how would you compare them?
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So how would you compare the two stacks. I will eventually look to add ultra hard or Alpha seven... as you have ran both with an identical product (Alpha four), how would you compare them?
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better leaning for sure with alpha seven, which caused slightly more vascularity than ultra hard...more energy and harder erections and slightly less vascularity with ultra hard....both increased libido gave more reps---i can't credit either with strength or recovery since they have stayed the same on both and i think alpha four was influential.
 
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better leaning for sure with alpha seven, which caused slightly more vascularity than ultra hard...more energy and harder erections and slightly less vascularity with ultra hard....both increased libido gave more reps---i can't credit either with strength or recovery since they have stayed the same on both and i think alpha four was influential.

better leaning for sure with alpha seven, which caused slightly more vascularity than ultra hard...more energy and harder erections and slightly less vascularity with ultra hard....both increased libido gave more reps---i can't credit either with strength or recovery since they have stayed the same on both and i think alpha four was influential.
thanks for the detailed response . Interesting, I’m specifically interested in hardness, mood improvement and libido In that order. leaning is nice also. I will end up trying both eventually I’m sure.
 
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thanks for the detailed response . Interesting, I’m specifically interested in hardness, mood improvement and libido In that order. leaning is nice also. I will end up trying both eventually I’m sure.
can't go wrong with either, imo. both pair up especially well with alpha four.
 

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