Tren definitely isn't a beginner compound.
This is what I would do. Learning how to manage estrogen and side effects is easier with one compound.
Beginner is the wrong word, but Test must be in every cycle.
I mean look at nick trigili who I have known personally when he was coming up and now he discusses his dosages and test was well over 2000mg per week.. Dave palumbo will advocate a 1000mg test per week yet only 50mg Tren ace eod.. all these mass monsters but some how this new train of thought is keeping test real low but jacking up trenbone which is used in ****ing horses.. i hate the new school trying to reinvent the wheel..
Thats not what Im seeing. I think the idea is to run test "low" and have it maintain as close to normal physiological function (libido, well-being, etc) whilst allowing the other AAS compounds to do the bulk of the work. This will typically reduce sides and even decrease the need for some ancilliaries.
I can get my hands on some epistane...How would that pair up with Test??
That is how I feel. If the cycle is 12 weeks long may as well make the best of it.
My first test cycle I really with dmz and had great results. Virtually no sides other than a little water weight and bloat. I've ran 5 or 6 cycles now and still will not consider tren. I'm not sure I ever will honestly.
How much can you get epi will pair quite nicely for a lean bulk but needs to be run st a suitable dosage
What AI do you recommend? I have used arimidex and aromisin. A buddy of mine uses Letro. Am I comparing apples and oranges??
I've used both and been good. Arim is a much lower dose I think around 0.5mg Ed while arom is around 12.5mg Ed or eod from my experience.
Thanks for all the feeback. My source can get me winny...Any experience with it??
I have some winny to run later this year but no experience yet. Sounds like it can be pretty harsh on sides as far as orals go from my research. Painful joints, hair loss, etc I keep head shaved really close anyways. I look forward to running it.
I have alot what do you want to know. To me its more of a finisher you won't really see the hardening effect with out low body gat
It does give good strenght and some weight gain though and it's not that important to be ripped. It'll definitely dry you out even if you don't walk around with a 6 pack.
Why no dimethyl??
Dimethyls are hard on liver but I think that's over exaggerated if you don't go crazy with dose and limit kicker to 6 weeks. Just make sure you take Tudca for liver support.
I did a 4 week dmz 30mg combined with 4 dhea 330mg. Great strength and size but the lethargy was the worse. The 4ad didnt do squat for a test base.
It's funny how people react differently, to different compounds. I didn't experience any lethargy with DMZ.
There’s always gonna be a few trains of thought here though... I mean, that’s exactly what I did, but it was only for the utility of knowing test as a constant in every cycle. I got very very little from it overall and my diet was on point. As soon as I was adding DHT’s or 19Nor’s is when real results with drugs became apparent. While, I don’t disagree with you, there’s response to AAS and there’s definitely hyperresponse too.
That's true, but you don't know how your body will react to steroids (positive and negativ effects). So in my opinion it's better to start low at the beginning.
Oh ya, I totally agree. Multiple compounds or high doses is too much in the fire at once, especially starting out. Knowing what test did for me, gain-wise and how poorly I aromatized early-on really set the stage for me always keeping it low and letting stronger compounds do the bulk of the work without test just aggravating the sides of the better drug. You just get a few differing opinions with the “go all out on your first run with those fresh receptors” and I’m glad I didn’t, even though my first test only run was a little disappointing compared to later cycles with more compounds.
Full blast is ignorant but I do rather use two compounds low than taking an estrogen bomb like test at 500 losing it all on the first cycle. Better using something like primo of you can afford it.
Thanking you anyway
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