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Damn that is total bullshit.. nice to see what W has on his mind now.. wonder when martial law is coming?
 
Yep. They're pretty much trying to annoy about 90% of the population with this one. I hope Google fights them tooth and nail and keeps it in the public eye as much as possible. This will embarass the Bushies once names of their own start being made public.


But let's turn the tables. I'm sure Google can tell us;

Which senator is surfing teen porn?

Which representatives are looking at gay porn sites?

Who in DC belongs to a swinger's site?

These dumbasses are opening a can of worms that will destroy them.
 
The end is near for us child molesting, sheep screwing, grandmother peeping, rim stealing, government loving all Americans.

Its like they've forgotten if they take all the weapons, we still have got guns. (Motiv8er flexes bicep)

It is like in the end they are asking us to self-destruct as an American society. Not realizing **** adds up at the bottom.

Guess we'll see what our Senators are into soon enough!! GREAT
 
Big Props to Google for telling them to go get bent...let's hope they dont cave. Hopefully the media will be all over this within the next few weeks.

BV
 
A friend sent me this link a while back. While they do have some interesting theories, they do seem quite paranoid. Invalid Link Removed

This amazes me:
Google retains all data indefinitely
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jdubz said:
A friend sent me this link a while back. While they do have some interesting theories, they do seem quite paranoid. Invalid Link Removed

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I saw this on MSNBC tonight about Google. They said they keep every search a person has ever done, every e-mail sent, and any other application that you go through Google for. Scary as hell.
 
Matthew D said:
wonder when martial law is coming?
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They already can enforce martial law thanks to the war powers act...... Right now they are just pretending to use the constitution. As long as we are having some kind of a war every two years(i think) then the constitution is out.
 
I think this is just a distraction....if you will.

If you read that whole thing it said that they want to look at a "target" week. They want us to think some terrorist **** "went down" and they want to find them. There hasn't been a terrorist attack on the US since Bush (and others) orchestrated 911. All this is just to make us think that they are actually looking for "terrorists".....when in reality they are the terrorists.
 
Whiskey Steve said:
I think this is just a distraction....if you will.

If you read that whole thing it said that they want to look at a "target" week. They want us to think some terrorist **** "went down" and they want to find them. There hasn't been a terrorist attack on the US since Bush (and others) orchestrated 911. All this is just to make us think that they are actually looking for "terrorists".....when in reality they are the terrorists.
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I fully agree on this one. Most people don't want to hear it, but the only terrorists we have to fear are in the white house. There is overwhelming evidence that says the governments take on 9/11 is bullshit. The next "terrorist" attack will come from whatever country bush needs a reason to invade next.
 
jeez... cant wait for bush's term to end...afraid of what kind of mess the next pres will step into though..
 
Whiskey Steve said:
They already can enforce martial law thanks to the war powers act...... Right now they are just pretending to use the constitution. As long as we are having some kind of a war every two years(i think) then the constitution is out.
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Bingo.

If the President can do whatever he wants during wartime, and he can sell the idea that we're FORMALLY at war, then martial law is redundant: that is to say, if the administration's claim that the president's war powers trump the powers of Congress, the courts and the states (and Scott McClellan said as much yesterday) is allowed to stand, a state of martial law exists already.

At this point the big question is: are free and fair elections in this country still possible? With no paper trail, no recount is possible, and the government can simply TELL US who won, and we have little option but to accept it or resist.

"Badges? We don' need no steenking badges!"
 
Whew.. I was just getting ready to google; Armed insurrection and nuclear goverment overthrow....that was close

So, I decided to google Bush family instead...now that is some scary stuff!
 
thats sick.
I always was hesitant to search in web search engines for certain key words, because I wondered if they would do something like this. Well apparently they are.... :jaw:
i hope this is brought out into more public news if it keeps up.
 
Two words:

Proxy Server. I wont be searching without it from now on.

>So, I decided to google Bush family instead...now that is >some scary stuff!

Dude, they're fucking criminals. While Im not a big fan of here, Hilary Clinton was right on when she said the bush administration were like the owners of a plantation. The Bush's and people in their circle want absolute power, its obvious. They have to go - because I sure as hell am not going to raise any kind of family in a police state.

BV
 
At this point the big question is: are free and fair elections in this country still possible? With no paper trail, no recount is possible, and the government can simply TELL US who won, and we have little option but to accept it or resist.
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My prediction? Its going to get a hell of a lot worse before it gets better.
 
BigVrunga said:
My prediction? Its going to get a hell of a lot worse before it gets better.
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I hate to say this, but...... It wont get better. And we have only seen the beginning of the of it.

Nations and Governments rise and fall. Thats all that happens in history books. Our nation rose...... now hold on because we are going to have a roller coaster like fall.

We had a good run.....to bad it will soon be over. :(
 
Whiskey Steve said:
I hate to say this, but...... It wont get better. And we have only seen the beginning of the of it.
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It'll get better. Perhaps not in our lifetimes, but it will get better. Governments topple when they get too weak to stay up and/or when they piss off enough people to bring themselves down. The US is no different.
 
It'll get better. Perhaps not in our lifetimes, but it will get better. Governments topple when they get too weak to stay up and/or when they piss off enough people to bring themselves down. The US is no different.
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I agree. Eventually there will be civil unrest and the ruling elite will be displaced,hopefully without violence, if things stay on the path their on.
 
BodyWizard said:
At this point the big question is: are free and fair elections in this country still possible? With no paper trail, no recount is possible, and the government can simply TELL US who won, and we have little option but to accept it or resist.
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From the looks of things, I doubt we voted bush in.
But he won because they needed him to for their agenda.
 
Ahem, why do you think our fore-fathers protected our rights to bare arms. Given at the time the threat of invasion by any number of groups was more eminant.
 
motiv8er said:
Ahem, why do you think our fore-fathers protected our rights to bare arms. Given at the time the threat of invasion by any number of groups was more eminant.
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The problem is that a majority of people think the government is on their side.

Also, I saw on the news before Christmas, California police had booths set up outside malls. If you handed in a gun they would give you a hundred dollar gift certificate......it physically made me sick to see so many people handing in their guns. And if you think about it the only people that would hand in their guns would be stupid, yet law abiding citizens. Do you think drug dealers and various criminals are going to hand in their guns....hell no. In Switzerland every house has to have a gun and somebody trained to use it....by law. And guess what, they have the lowest home robbery rate (it may be overall crime, im not sure) in the world.

At this point our government is trying to get you to hand in your guns with incentives and say they are striving for a safer community. That is a damn lie. As I explained earlier, that will only make a more dangerous community.

The only way they will get my guns is if they pry them out of my cold lifeless hands.
 
Whiskey Steve said:
The only way they will get my guns is if they pry them out of my cold lifeless hands.
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Every so often, and it's not a common event, I find something OT written on this site that I agree with.:thumbsup:

What I love is those who say the citizens of this country can't defeat our military even if we were armed are often the same ones declaring there's no way our military can beat a bunch of ragtag armed arabs in the middle east, so we may as well leave. Always seemed like a double standard to me.
 
We can beat them.....by killing them all. Its they're religious beliefs and traditions they are fighting for...i side with them.
They have nothing to do with us. Let them stick with the system of government that they have had for thousands of years. If our goal is world domination then it would be reasonable to be over there(and that is our goal); otherwise just leave them the hell alone.

We could defeat our own miltary if it was a united effort.... The problem is convincing everyone to do it and organizing our efforts..... and the time is not right. I would say that is something that could definitely come about in 25 to 30 years though. (im not pulling those numbers out of a hat, there is a reason behind my estimate)
 
Oh i totally agree that the majority of congress men and whatever are good... But its to bad that they dont have have the necessary power to stop the crap thats coming. They dont have control over the big picture that we are discussing in this thread.
 
Whats worse is the people behind all of this, the ones carrying out lawsuits, trying to jail as many as possible to inflate their rep. in search of being elected again.

Anyone know its a law that if someone sends you a picture of a person age 17 or less, no matter how old they look, you are required to report it? And if you don't, you can be held for receipt of child pornography. By sent, I mean an anonymous email etc. Or if you receive a pop-up from an adult site, or download something off a torrent or p2p service that ends up being what you didn't bargain for, you can also be accounted for it.Even if its from a trojan set up on a site to download files onto your computer.

Even if records show you deleted the material seconds after you receive it, you have to report it or prepare to get shafted. I have a friend serving 2 yrs in prison for this. I saw the evidence against him, after the FBI raided his home at and drug his family through 2 years of waiting and threats to him about charging his family also, which consisted of 6, SIX, pictures that were deleted seconds after he found them.

I agree there are predators out there that need to be removed from society, but I don't see how what I described is warrented. I sure am glad the government is watching out for us, makes me feel oh so safe.
 
Tell us more about this proxy server.. What does one need? A program? I think I'll just cover my ass and use it, if it's easy enough to install...
 
andhen2003 said:
Well I'm glad to see that someone at least is as outraged about this as me. Since I've been involved in politics and government for almost 15 years now, I can tell you the government in general isn't as devious as y'all give it credit for, but I certainly respect your opinions.
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I don't think they're devious. I think they're busibodies working in a system that by nature tries to expand its power and reach. Busibodies may be good people, good natured, and have the best of intentions, but the end result is usually hell and they're too blind to see it when it happens.

I believe the government was supposed to have justified this info grab with the PATRIOT Act. That little piece of legislation that was only supposed to be used against terrorists. Might be wrong, but I doubt it. Increasingly we're being turned on by the government. The amusing part, as has been said, is that this will ievitably bite the government in the ass after a few congress critters get nailed for being kiddy porn collectors or members of questionable sites, etc.
 
Did any of you guys ever go to Invalid Link Removed ? They had a bunch of information on 9/11 and pictures and reports proving what the white house said was lies. I was gonna post up the link for people to read about the pentagon and how a 757 didn't really hit it but the whole site has been suspended!

I do think this link is pretty good too:
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Even if records show you deleted the material seconds after you receive it, you have to report it or prepare to get shafted. I have a friend serving 2 yrs in prison for this. I saw the evidence against him, after the FBI raided his home at and drug his family through 2 years of waiting and threats to him about charging his family also, which consisted of 6, SIX, pictures that were deleted seconds after he found them.
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Wow - is that all he got taken down for or were there other charges involved?


Tell us more about this proxy server.. What does one need? A program? I think I'll just cover my ass and use it, if it's easy enough to install...
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In Internet Explorer go to Tools->Internet Options->Connections and then click the 'Lan Settings' button at the bottom. In the 'Proxy Server' groupbox, click the checkbox labeled "Use A Proxy Server For Your Lan"

Now, enter an IP address from this site:

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You may need to try a few times before you find one with a good connection speed, and you'll have to update often, but its worth the effort. After you're surfing along, hit a site like this one:

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And make sure it matches the IP you entered in the Proxy Box in IE. That's it, now you're surfing anonymously. Everywhere you go online, the proxy IP will be left in your wake.

Careful though, if you have an account through paypal
or your credit card site, accessing through a foreign proxy can flag your account that someone other than you is trying to break in. Its not a big deal, its cool actually that they're looking out, but you'll have to go through identity verification ("what is you SS# and mother's maiden name?") kind of stuff when you go to log back in under your normal IP address.

Also, anyone concerned with people getting ahold of evidence on your machine (which should be all of us), I'd urge you encrypt the data on your hard drive, and run a program like Evidence Eliminator regularly.

Even after a low level format, the feds can find information and piece together deleted files if they really want to. With a program like DriveCrypt or PGP, you can encrypt your whole machine - there's no way anyone would be getting into that unless they devoted a huge amount of time and effort to it.

And if you run Evidence Eliminator, if they ever do get in they'll be nothing to find:D

Thinking of it, we should probably have a sticky on internet security.

BV
 
No need to get so paranoid. The gov. is trying to figure out what people are searching for, not WHO is the doing the searching.
That is why AOL, MSN, and Yahoo were so willing to hand over the info.
 
No need to get so paranoid. The gov. is trying to figure out what people are searching for, not WHO is the doing the searching.
That is why AOL, MSN, and Yahoo were so willing to hand over the info.
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True, but you can never be too careful
 
lifter2005 said:
No need to get so paranoid. The gov. is trying to figure out what people are searching for, not WHO is the doing the searching.
That is why AOL, MSN, and Yahoo were so willing to hand over the info.
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Picture this(an overly simple example)- They find out one of the terrorists researched planes on the internet. They tell us it helped the terrorists plan their attack. They use their power to decide what information should or shouldn't be allowed on the internet. Implement censorship in the interest of national security. Foot in the door.

This is NOT what our government is for OR what it is supposed to do.
 
There is no need to know what people are looking at if everyone would be anonymous.
This is a very cleaver distraction by Bush. Even though it makes him look bad he still gets to play the "hunting for terrorists" role in the publics eye. He is trying to keep his lies alive so the majority of america doesnt start asking questions and realize that he is the terrorist.
 
bioman said:
Yep. They're pretty much trying to annoy about 90% of the population with this one. I hope Google fights them tooth and nail and keeps it in the public eye as much as possible. This will embarass the Bushies once names of their own start being made public.


But let's turn the tables. I'm sure Google can tell us;

Which senator is surfing teen porn?

Which representatives are looking at gay porn sites?

Who in DC belongs to a swinger's site?

These dumbasses are opening a can of worms that will destroy them.
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:rofl::twisted:
 
Rogue Drone got some posts on going anonymous. Invalid Link RemovedReally good info. Check it.
But not for the faint of heart. TCP/IP was not writen with privacy in mind.

I am not sure the Gov. could convince
our troops to fire on the population as a whole, maybe some but not all.

It`s not like this is the first time... Defintely time to trim the Tree of the Gov.. Get involved, email every Congressman and Senator, send them letters what ever! It does work but only when enough people push them then they think thier cushy jobs are on the line and get out and VOTE!

Look at the way PA legislature snuck in thier raise. Only after the Public went nutz did they recind it but some still refuse to repay the money. But there is a list of them and when elections come we will see...
 
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Evidence Eliminator? Get a copy of Encase, the most often used by law enforcement computer forensic tool, avaliable on the binaries and P2P, and you'll see if EE really does overwrite one's file slack and swap file, the biggest problem areas on a PC, as is claimed, it does not.
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Time for a RAMdisk:twisted:
 
andhen2003 said:
Well I'm glad to see that someone at least is as outraged about this as me. Since I've been involved in politics and government for almost 15 years now, I can tell you the government in general isn't as devious as y'all give it credit for, but I certainly respect your opinions. And I've worked with plenty of politicians who are good people who genuinely want to do the right thing - and hate the fact that the bad apples out there make everyone think all politicians are evil.

However, I do think this administration could care less about the Bill of Rights. Ben Franklin once said something like "people willing to give up a little freedom for a little security will have neither and deserve nothing." A lot of people have spilled their blood for the basic freedoms that make this country so unique, and George Bush is spitting on their graves.
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I get a lot of comfort from reading the works of the early patriots. Thomas Paine, Ben Franklin,Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson. It is amazing to me how pertinate these writtings are 200 plus years later. This country was founded by some of the strongest willed people ever to live. They overcame the own prejiduces to form the greatest government ever known to man. The first to be by the people for the people and of the people...

..but just like the hard drive on your computer the older it gets the more likely there is to be corruption, right now it is just running slow and we can get by with a few tweeks..hopefully it won't crash.

I am not as rich and powerful as the US government but even I can snoop on what people are searching..I'll let you guys in on it..It's called " most popular searches "..I use it every day so be warned! I know what you did last summer!( or at least what most people searched for last summer) Even with cookies,browser tags and chip set IDs. It would be tough to prove you were the person at the keyboard during the alleged search. Now hard drives are another story.

The Google protest is about having an obligation to report to the government.

This would be an obligation that only companies that deal in goverment securities have been in compliance.

It would set a dangerous precident for a simple (multibillion dollar) search engine to have to report its day to day operations for governmental review
 
what is this "its all over now" crap?
we the people, own this goverment this entire nation!
no, its not just something you've always been told in goverment and history class growing up.
i mean honestly, think about.
yes, the goverment does control the money, the buisnes (to some degree, beyound this topics scope), the "law".
but there are a hell of alot more of us verry pissed of civilians than there are goverment officials. who for that fact, could and SHOULD be equally pissed off of the outgoings and actions of this horriable president.
trust me, i am not advocating going out and starting civil war II or a total anarchary. i am simply stating that when enough is enough. then the goverment will not have to worry about terrorist attacks. becuse the true threat is already living inside there door.
yes, i am american.
i love my country i stand behind it willingly, there are things i dislike about it yet overall it has only improved the way of life.
but... "do not tread on me" - banner from indepdent war.
 
"Personally, I like the popular British conspiracy guy David Icke's contention that Dubya is a interdimensional reptilian who eats children along with the other controlling aliens like Clinton at the Bohemian Club"

Hey Rogue, I found a pic of the REAL George Bush.
 

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Now, i am a sensiable man.
i understand there are things unknown to me, many things boyound my wildest dreams are a reality.
i also understand that reasons beyound our own cognitive complexity could explain this sepouna.
such as by asking google to give its records the goverment has detered possiable terrorists an easier time for they're plans. (goggle-watch said that most 200millions searchs a day were made outside u.s.)
although, this is where i say "enough"
when will they stop, the threat will not go away. it cant. just like evil in man and salt in the sea.

for who i am quoting it has left me
although it was said best
"those who are willing to sacrifice liberty for security-- does not deserve either"
 
ispymalik said:
"those who are willing to sacrifice liberty for security-- does not deserve either"
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Franklin.....some one said it earlier.
He also said that those who would do that deserve neither.
 
i cannot imagine what it would be like if this stood to pass.
i am only fearful for the future. it would only take one shot, respectivily, for this all to colapse on there laps.
one death in defence of our foundation against those whos job it was given. would start the offical "end" per the responses on pg 1.

btw, thanks whiskey steve although although i do rember who said this
Edmund Burke -
"The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedients, and by parts."
 
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