BCAA mega-dose experiment results
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James007
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The argument that "genes" have little to do with bodycomposition is laughable at best, and more or less fucking retarded. Anyone with half a brain can figure out that genes play a large, prominent role in bodycomposition. Any person who is 21 with the physique of Dereks caliber, without using androgens or prohormones has superior genetics. To be able to stay at 8% bodyfat year round is something most people cannot do, muscle:fat loss ratio while dieting and bulking being the problem. To achieve such muscularity at 21 is a feat most people cannot achieve.
What disturbs me as much as anything is saying that a more muscular physique can be attributed to dedication and knowledge, ex. dan duchaine, few would deny his knowledge in bodybuiling - yet his inability to achieve a very good physique was well known. This is worse than saying someone’s physique can be attributed to their genes. There are millions of gym rat retards out there with good physiques that have little or no knowledge in the arena, that are blessed with good genes.
So to summarize: Your results mean ****. They are probably not even statistically significant as calibers can be off by 1 or 2 percent easily. Further, one must question if you leniently let them be off to promote a product for a company you work for.
To close, i pose to you this question: Has there ever been a supplement you took that you have not responded favorably to? - Show me a log if so.
What disturbs me as much as anything is saying that a more muscular physique can be attributed to dedication and knowledge, ex. dan duchaine, few would deny his knowledge in bodybuiling - yet his inability to achieve a very good physique was well known. This is worse than saying someone’s physique can be attributed to their genes. There are millions of gym rat retards out there with good physiques that have little or no knowledge in the arena, that are blessed with good genes.
So to summarize: Your results mean ****. They are probably not even statistically significant as calibers can be off by 1 or 2 percent easily. Further, one must question if you leniently let them be off to promote a product for a company you work for.
To close, i pose to you this question: Has there ever been a supplement you took that you have not responded favorably to? - Show me a log if so.
Kristopher
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this sounds reasonable.. the rest sounds a bit off key..James007 said:
kwyckemynd00
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Definitely. Genetics play a huge role. However, to look like he does isn't JUST b/c of genetics. It's genetics AND dedication.
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kwyckemynd00
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It was a bit harsh, James007 tends to come off that way, but that is the exact reason I would have liked to see the BCAA loading continued for more than one month. 4 weeks isn't enough to telll you much.Andrew69 said:
ItriedtoripoffBobosonowIamgonehaveaniceday
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Actually if the dude would have read through Derek's postings from when he started at BB.com he would realize that thousands know that this dude is fucking honest and is the most anal dude I have ever seen at such a young age at monitoring everything in his life to achieve his goals ( a compliment actually, despite how it sounds!). Most do not have the ability to achieve a physique at any time in their life because Derek is far more dedicated than most. Plus he is a SELF-PROCLAIMED MESOMORPH! It's haters like you bro, that I just brush off!
ItriedtoripoffBobosonowIamgonehaveaniceday
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BUMP to seeing an extra month run!!!! Come on Marc, send the guy more XTEND!!!!
kwyckemynd00
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Oooh...this word on BBing forums is tabooMaNiaK1027 said:
I honestly think I'm pretty ________ but I don't bother saying jack. Plus, w/ a BF of 14-15% (I eat like a pig--i love snacks and mcdonalds
But, I don't "gain" fat) people won't agree. People think you have to be shredded to the bone and huge to be meso. People have turned that word into some sort of god-like term. When, in reality, it's just not. Everyday I see people that are very mesomorphic who just don't bother to touch weights. To see what a true mesomorph looks like early on in life, look at yates
He's one of the few who will actually put up pics of himself before he trained. The rest of the IFBB crew (many of them) have to try and create this ridiculous status for themselves, like they were born w/ full pecs a six pack and naturally had 16" rock hard guns by highschool when that's just not the case. I'm sure they naturally had great physiques, but unless you're providing a stimulus for your muscles to grow, they're not going to get too huge.edit: Just thought I'd add this to help clarify a few things regarding body types. It's simple, but really clears things up.
The ectomorph: short upper body, long arms and legs, long narrow feet and hands, and very little fat storage. This body type has a narrow chest and narrow shoulders and long, thin muscles.
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The mesomorph: large chest, long torso, solid muscle structure and very strong.
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The endomorph: short musculature, round face, short neck , wide hips, and heavy fat storage.
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No one is totally one type but a combination of all three types. Any body type can be developed with the correct training and nutrition however people with different body types will need to approach their training with different objectives, even though they may all have the same goals.
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Sticks
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Lets not get confused here. Just b/c some is knowledgeable about something doesn't mean they correctly apply that knowledge to their own life. I'm not saying that derek doesn't have above average genetics or even great genetics. What I am saying is that achieving his level of fitness takes many factors, genetics being only one of them. I honestly believe that diet is the limiting factor for most people and a quick look through the log he posted will show you that this is not the case.James007 said:
Aeternitatis
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Oh so very true! I can say without a doubt that I'm more knowledgable than the majority of people who train in my gym (or any gym in this area for that matter), but for whatever reason, I just don't properly apply my knowledge to myself. My biggest thing is constantly overreachng/training. Instead of taking it slow and steady with solid gains in both strength AND musculature, I tend to get too into it and want it all now. I end up getting big strength gains quickly then go straight into overtraining and have to take time off. Then wash and repeat. It's a vicious cycle that wouldn't be a problem if ego didn't come into play. I think my biggest problem, and many people's problem, is that there just isn't enough patience and proper pacing to get the job done right. I think that is probably one of Derek's keys to success (just gussing here). He paces himself properly (how close is this to the truth?). Remember, slow and steady wins the race. If only I could now adopt that motto.Sticks said:
Beast
"He's not human!"
This is the earliest "bodybuilding" pic I have. I was 16 at the time with 1-1.5 years of training under my belt and a summer of working construction (Notice the tan and nice tan line :hammer: )
I weighed 145 pounds in that pic. Beginning that fall is when I truly became obsessed and lived bodybuilding 24/7. How many kids do you know at age 16 who would carry around a gallon jug of water at school and bust out tuna in the middle of a high school class? I haven't missed a workout in the past 5 years. I have been following a strict diet for the same 5 years. I have been reading up on human physiology for the past 5 years and began studying exercise physiology at college about 3 years ago. But you know what? I would probably be exactly where I am today no matter what I did because I have such great genetics...
No matter how much of a role genetics play in bodybuilding, I see no point in being so caught up in the it since there is nothing one can do to change their genetic makeup. Of course you can "override" your genetics by taking drugs. You don't see me coming on here and saying, "You only look like that because you just got done with a 8-week cycle." or **** like that.
Instead of worrying about others 'genetics', time would be better spend improving your own program.
Derek
I weighed 145 pounds in that pic. Beginning that fall is when I truly became obsessed and lived bodybuilding 24/7. How many kids do you know at age 16 who would carry around a gallon jug of water at school and bust out tuna in the middle of a high school class? I haven't missed a workout in the past 5 years. I have been following a strict diet for the same 5 years. I have been reading up on human physiology for the past 5 years and began studying exercise physiology at college about 3 years ago. But you know what? I would probably be exactly where I am today no matter what I did because I have such great genetics...
No matter how much of a role genetics play in bodybuilding, I see no point in being so caught up in the it since there is nothing one can do to change their genetic makeup. Of course you can "override" your genetics by taking drugs. You don't see me coming on here and saying, "You only look like that because you just got done with a 8-week cycle." or **** like that.
Instead of worrying about others 'genetics', time would be better spend improving your own program.
Derek
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Aeternitatis
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That's some advice that many people need to heed.Derek_aka_Beast said:
I think one major reason why so many people are hung up on genetics right now is because so many of them have used PH/PS to fill in for their own lack of discipline. Suddenly, they are no longer "natural", they've given in to the darkside and yet still, many of them can't compare to your physique. The only option left for them to excuse their own missing discipline is, "...those damn genetics..." blah blah. I know because I was one of them once.
Beowulf
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It's about fucking time you admitted it Derek. Now we can all go back to being fat, weak, and undisciplined in peace.Derek_aka_Beast said:
J/K:goodpost:
While my physique is nowhere near where I want it to be, I am far beyond the level of development of just about everyone I know. I've been hated on more than my share of times and it is definitely annoying. People refuse to accept the power of hard work and discipline. They would rather make excuses.
James007
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No one is making excuses, we're just pointing out facts. The average person cannot attain a natural physique like dereks at his age due to genetics. With time, maybe a decade, it might be possible. Without androgens and other drugs you are very limited with what you can do with bodyrecomposition in a limited amount of time.
Now, no one is saying it wasn't achieved with hard work and discipline, but to completely dismiss genetics is beyond stupidity. Derek has great genetics, great motivation, and it shows.
I have not seen one supplement in which he wrote a log for that he did not respond favorably to. He totally ignored my question about that as well. This reason, the fact that it was conducted in such a short duration, and that the accuracy of measurements are within the margin of error all call into question his results on "BCAA's". BCAA supplementation could have contributed, it could have been training and discipline, it could have been anything or nothing. To me, BCAA's are worthless unless your kcals are sub 1000 and the studies show this. The only effect is that you will get hit in the wallet.
So inconclustion...
1) They taste like ass.
2) They're expensive as hell
3) The benefits over whey supplementation, which contains 4g of BCAA usually, are questionable at best.
4) Derek's log does not prove much.
Now, no one is saying it wasn't achieved with hard work and discipline, but to completely dismiss genetics is beyond stupidity. Derek has great genetics, great motivation, and it shows.
I have not seen one supplement in which he wrote a log for that he did not respond favorably to. He totally ignored my question about that as well. This reason, the fact that it was conducted in such a short duration, and that the accuracy of measurements are within the margin of error all call into question his results on "BCAA's". BCAA supplementation could have contributed, it could have been training and discipline, it could have been anything or nothing. To me, BCAA's are worthless unless your kcals are sub 1000 and the studies show this. The only effect is that you will get hit in the wallet.
So inconclustion...
1) They taste like ass.
2) They're expensive as hell
3) The benefits over whey supplementation, which contains 4g of BCAA usually, are questionable at best.
4) Derek's log does not prove much.
kwyckemynd00
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Just like myself and dietSticks said:
I have people I give advicet to that are "wowed" by gains or losses (in fat) that they made. But, I don't bother to apply that information to myself...for a few reasons. One of which, is laziness, but not the most predominant reason.
Iron Warrior
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I disagree, I have seen "average" people achive tremendous results in 6 years. Derek has been training since 15 and he is 21 and has completely transformed his physique, Bobo also had a very remarkable transformation in 6 years too and he didn't look like he had much help in the genetics department.James007 said:
BTW, how would you define an "average" person ? :think: because that's pretty subjective.
Iron Warrior
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DEREK: How long have you been hitting each bodypart twice a week ? Is this the way you've always been training or do just use this for variation ?
Beast
"He's not human!"
Thanks for the compliments.James007 said:
Considering I took my weight, bf%, and girth measurements at the same time/day each week, under the same circumstances, I think they are accurate. Now if you want to buy me a more accurate DEXA machine for my home I will happily use it to track my progress. But until then I shall continue to use calipers.
Just curious, have you ever tried taking a high-dose of BCAA for an extended period of time before?
Dwight Schrute
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Derek_aka_Beast said:
I have. Gave me stomach problems. I found bracekting free form amino's and bracketing HMB worked better than BCAA's.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
Elaborate on what?
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
They worked better as in I get very nice results without spitting out mud on the toilet.
Bracketing as in pre and post workout.
Bracketing as in pre and post workout.
kwyckemynd00
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I was thinking the same thing. He looks much more broad than having only a 52" shoulder girth.natedogg said:
kwyckemynd00
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52 impossible? what do you mean?natedogg said:
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
Used bulk HMB.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
Derek_aka_Beast said:
No fun for many people
HMB works really well in conjunction with CEE. I've been saying its good for years now.
Beast
"He's not human!"
I just started taking CEE (for the 2nd time) this Monday. Maybe I'll break into my HMB.Bobo said:No fun for many people
HMB works really well in conjunction with CEE. I've been saying its good for years now.
For the shoulder measurement, I just measure all the way around my shoulders (front to back). I use the myotape, so I just fully unwind it, get inside circle, and push the button to tighten it around my shoulders.
Fastflight
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UI aggreee with the beast,that if you´re at ur traininglimit,with yearlong stremnous routine a tiny little bit can make a huge difference.
It´s only you need to buy a lot of certain supps to make them work nbut they do work at least for some and if used properly they cost as much or more than a steroid-cacle and need more compliance in taking them severyl times a day at a self-measured dose,but on the other hand they have little to no sides and really help a lot.
It´s only you need to buy a lot of certain supps to make them work nbut they do work at least for some and if used properly they cost as much or more than a steroid-cacle and need more compliance in taking them severyl times a day at a self-measured dose,but on the other hand they have little to no sides and really help a lot.
hamper19
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Aeternitatis said:
wow..i thought i was the only one. this is me now.
But on the note of genetics agreed it plays a big part, but I personally don't have the best genetics in the fat storing department. Both sides of my family are overweight and have trouble mainting a decent weight.
In highschool i was fat...5'6" 210 at least 25% bf..I started lifting hard at 17, and by the time i was 20-21, I was 175 @5.5% bf....all natrual at that point....I think someone said this above and i kinda agree...a lot of people use "ph/aas" to try and offset their laziness..and I have turned into one of those people....only now am i starting to turn the tables.
I dunno if I can ever get it to where i am keep charts like that though..lol. that is impressive.
judge-mental
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how about that