Anyone worried if Corona virus keeps spreading the gyms will shut down?

Ricky10 said:
these protests, riots, etc are actually creating a real resurgence of racism and violence on a large scale.
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I get a lot of what you’re saying, but this is just a line a lot of prejudice people will latch onto to justify their racism. If some protests and news coverage made someone “resurge” their racism, I got news for ya, they were already racist. Recent events have just amplified the racism that’s already existed within people.

The beauty of that is it brings people’s true colors to the forefront. 21st century racism in the US is rarely white pointy hats and nooses. Sure there’s some of that, but white folk love to say, “I’m not like THAT, so I’m good — I’m not racist.” Racism today is much more nuanced and requires introspection into one’s bias and preconceptions. I don’t condone violence, and yes the media exploits certain storylines; however, chalking up a racism resurgence due to over-coverage of a very meaningful movement is excusing people’s prejudices and reducing the significance of the systemic problem.
 
I don't get how the death of a meth head who tried to kill his prego GF equals a very meaningful movement. I find your post blatantly wrong and the only nuance I see is the one were you just labeled white people as rascist. FU man ~~
 
Bagofturdwind said:
I get a lot of what you’re saying, but this is just a line a lot of prejudice people will latch onto to justify their racism. If some protests and news coverage made someone “resurge” their racism, I got news for ya, they were already racist. Recent events have just amplified the racism that’s already existed within people.

The beauty of that is it brings people’s true colors to the forefront. 21st century racism in the US is rarely white pointy hats and nooses. Sure there’s some of that, but white folk love to say, “I’m not like THAT, so I’m good — I’m not racist.” Racism today is much more nuanced and requires introspection into one’s bias and preconceptions. I don’t condone violence, and yes the media exploits certain storylines; however, chalking up a racism resurgence due to over-coverage of a very meaningful movement is excusing people’s prejudices and reducing the significance of the systemic problem.
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There’s that systemic buzzzzzzzz word again...

Alright, BLM is very meaningful, for liberal funding. Look it up, ActBlue. How about that systemic beat down of that KKK Macy’s manager in Michigan?
If BLM truly cares about black lives, then why are African children being enslaved by (wait for it) other Africans to harvest diamonds? Caught stealing or trying to escape, 7.62x39 to the face and left to rot. Where is the outrage? Oh wait, the color chart doesnt work there huh? Stop systemic spoon feeding of propaganda. As soon as one hears the word “systemic” it’s safe to assume they are a parrot. Please fact check this.
 
SkRaw85 said:
There’s that systemic buzzzzzzzz word again...

Alright, BLM is very meaningful, for liberal funding. Look it up, ActBlue. How about that systemic beat down of that KKK Macy’s manager in Michigan?
If BLM truly cares about black lives, then why are African children being enslaved by (wait for it) other Africans to harvest diamonds? Caught stealing or trying to escape, 7.62x39 to the face and left to rot. Where is the outrage? Oh wait, the color chart doesnt work there huh? Stop systemic spoon feeding of propaganda. As soon as one hears the word “systemic” it’s safe to assume they are a parrot. Please fact check this.
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So one word I used made you go into a tailspin of irrelevant affairs that sidestep the subtle 21st century racism in the US I was alluding to. Your response is what I’m talking about. The inability to introspect and acknowledge preconceived prejudices, and instead just deflect to “well BLM has some messed up stuff goin on, y’know!” That’s not the point. My point is the covert racism that’s being brought to the forefront. We all have microaggressions — unintentional and well meaning or not. The fact that so many people are uncomfortable with this new race talk that they constantly deflect (see above) than self-reflect and recognize that there is indeed some nuance that’s required here. But sure yes, let’s go back to those google old days before all of this media coverage. Days when there was no subtle racism occurring. You’d only hear things like, “He actually speaks well” “He doesn’t sound black” Oh he went to college?” “I don’t see color.” “Is that your real hair?” “Their names are ridiculous.” “They’re dramatic” “Most of them need government assistance” “Just get a job and work your way up the chain; I did it” “Well I didn’t own any slaves, so...” and the good ole clenching of the purses and wallets as you pass a black man on the street. Those days were perfect. No need to change. Some people are disadvantaged by the “system” in which we operate. It’s just a fact, whether you’d like to admit it or deflect.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
I don't get how the death of a meth head who tried to kill his prego GF equals a very meaningful movement. I find your post blatantly wrong and the only nuance I see is the one were you just labeled white people as rascist. FU man ~~
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You’re right. I’m sure you’ve never done drugs before. I’m sure had you been murdered when high it would’ve been justified bc you were on DrUgS man. And on what planet did I call white people racist? This is the very problem I’m referring to. If you don’t even have the ability to reflect on a movement and try to understand the struggles of others and instead just deflect and somehow make yourself the victim, you’re the problem.
 
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Maybe this belongs more in the political thread, but we’re currently touching on it here so...here it is. The 2020 election won’t leave us with someone with the capabilities to lead us down a better path as a country, regardless of which letter follows their name.
 
Bagofturdwind said:
So one word I used made you go into a tailspin of irrelevant affairs that sidestep the subtle 21st century racism in the US I was alluding to. Your response is what I’m talking about. The inability to introspect and acknowledge preconceived prejudices, and instead just deflect to “well BLM has some messed up stuff goin on, y’know!” That’s not the point. My point is the covert racism that’s being brought to the forefront. We all have microaggressions — unintentional and well meaning or not. The fact that so many people are uncomfortable with this new race talk that they constantly deflect (see above) than self-reflect and recognize that there is indeed some nuance that’s required here. But sure yes, let’s go back to those google old days before all of this media coverage. Days when there was no subtle racism occurring. You’d only hear things like, “He actually speaks well” “He doesn’t sound black” Oh he went to college?” “I don’t see color.” “Is that your real hair?” “Their names are ridiculous.” “They’re dramatic” “Most of them need government assistance” “Just get a job and work your way up the chain; I did it” “Well I didn’t own any slaves, so...” and the good ole clenching of the purses and wallets as you pass a black man on the street. Those days were perfect. No need to change. Some people are disadvantaged by the “system” in which we operate. It’s just a fact, whether you’d like to admit it or deflect.
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Child slavery happening right now this very second in Africa is irrelevant? So black lives don’t matter is what you’re saying. Got it. Only Brat lives matter. Have a nice day.
 
SkRaw85 said:
Child slavery happening right now this very second in Africa is irrelevant? So black lives don’t matter is what you’re saying. Got it. Only Brat lives matter. Have a nice day.
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Dude... I said “subtle US racism” like 9 times in my 2 posts. I’m not saying ignore every other worldly problem. Why is this so difficult to understand? I’m talking about what’s going on in the US right now. Clearly you’re just going to choose to keep deflecting instead of acknowledging anything of substance I said. Got it.
 
Affirmative action allows equal opportunity. Show me a “systemic” problem and we’ll fight it together but white guilt seems to be the movement now (which is running rampant in aforementioned posts).
 
GreenMachineX said:
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Some good points here.
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Great video of someone who speaks the truth! Much respect for her ✊
If only everyone could check the facts and think for themselves before jumping aboard a destructive crusade. It boggles my mind that there are actually people out there that have bought into all the propaganda.
 
Ricky10 said:
Great video of someone who speaks the truth! Much respect for her ✊
If only everyone could check the facts and think for themselves before jumping aboard a destructive crusade. It boggles my mind that there are actually people out there that have bought into all the propaganda.
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the draft dodgers who got college deferments to keep from going to viet nam are now tenured college professors teaching the youth of today.
 
Lol, I’ve scheduled and cancelled my appointments like 10x. 24’s hours suck and they’ve closed quite a few in town!
 
anyone see any hispanics in the crowd at protests/riots/lootings?

all i have seen are angry whites/blacks.
 
Looks like gyms in AZ are closing down for another month. FL and TX are probably not too far behind. I saw that coming a mile away.
 
Hilltern said:
Looks like gyms in AZ are closing down for another month. FL and TX are probably not too far behind. I saw that coming a mile away.
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Yeah, FL already shut their beaches/bars so I’m guessing the gyms will be closed again soon.
 
A local business owner told me yesterday that “governor” Jared Schultz (polis, he changed his last name before election, look up details if intrigued) is planning to make a decision on July 6 as to if CO will go back to lockdown due to the Wuhan flu. I can’t really find anything validating this so I’m excited to see on July 6.
 
Class action suit about to be filed by gym owners here in NY. We've been without the gym since March 16 and there's no end in sight.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
while I wont agree with it.. yes I think they will send him to the big house. the climate is ripe.
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it is no longer about rule of law, it has become rule of the mob...
 
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If I had conducted myself the way Rayshard Brooks did that night, I would expect to be shot at while trying to escape custody and shooting a taser. None of that represents anything close to abiding by the law by any stretch. If you don’t act like a complete ass, the chances of an officer killing you are probably zero.

This Mr. Brooks is yet another example of an outstanding citizen. Four previous charges of obstructing a police officer, cruelty to children, and domestic violence are on his record. Sounds like justice was served to me.

Officer Rolfe was clearly doing his job in keeping himself and the general public safe.
 
I feel the same way about Brooke's case. Poor guy was just doing his job trying to get home.

What about Floyd? Manslaughter?

That's when the riots are gonna go bananas.
 
Quest said:
I feel the same way about Brooke's case. Poor guy was just doing his job trying to get home.

What about Floyd? Manslaughter?

That's when the riots are gonna go bananas.
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That’s for sure. The trial of the officers involved with the Floyd case will be the next thing to cause upheaval. Anything less than the death penalty or life in prison for Chauvin will be unacceptable for the protestors. This may or may not be justified - we shall see.

While I think the actions of Chauvin appear to be excessive and cruel, I don’t think we have been offered his side if the story- which may not be as cut and dry as it appears. What exactly was happening inside that police cruiser just before we see Floyd pinned on the ground? My guess is they were unable to restrain him with routine tactics and we already know Floyd was high on meth and fentanyl. Meth is notorious for making people very unpredictable and nearly impossible to control- which often requires pharmaceutical sedation. He wasn’t exactly a small man either.

The trial(s) will probably take place after the election, so maybe that will help matters..
 
in the age of deep fakes.. did anyone catch the video claiming the Floyd officer was a paid actor and Floyd is still alive??? I don't even know what my eyes were telling me.
 
I'm by far no racist. But maybe my privileged life has taught me to not see the racism with Floyd?

Were the cops called because he was black?
Did the police use racist words?
Was the officer holding him down emotionally charged?

How will they prove hate crime or murder?


Manslaughter..
he should have let him up to sit cuffed up.

Officer is sober, he's on meth wtf.
 
This thread is really giving life to the old adage of gym rats being myopic conservatives. I’ll get ratioed for this bc that’s the culture here, but it’d be nice if we can all get on board with fewer police murders — whether it’s of a black, brown or white person. We’ve been conditioned to blindly accept the erroneous “reasonableness” defense ever since Graham v Connor. If cops are that mortified for their lives that they find it “reasonable” to shoot every person that makes them a hair scared, maybe they should consider another profession. Going forward, it’d be nice to require officers to get degrees and have mandatory sociology, psychology, civil rights, humanities, and ethics and civics classes in the curriculum. That can start to move the needle in the right direction.
 
Yes sir!

I don't care what degree or training, if a passed out drunk, freshly released criminal steals my weapon, I would shoot him, her or whatever right dead in the wig!
 
I do think the problem about the Floyd issue is everyone wants to make it about race, the color does not dictate the guy was garbage. Majority of people agree why are we still talking about that guy, any other race and we would be saying no loss. Abolish racism, no one disagrees with that. But cops are not the problem, starts in the home with family structure.
 
Bagofturdwind said:
we can all get on board with fewer police murders — whether it’s of a black, brown or white person. Going forward, it’d be nice to require officers to get degrees and have mandatory sociology, psychology, civil rights, humanities, and ethics and civics classes in the curriculum. That can start to move the needle in the right direction.
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This I can agree with.

And monthly training within “stressful” environments.
 
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Bagofturdwind said:
This thread is really giving life to the old adage of gym rats being myopic conservatives. I’ll get ratioed for this bc that’s the culture here, but it’d be nice if we can all get on board with fewer police murders — whether it’s of a black, brown or white person. We’ve been conditioned to blindly accept the erroneous “reasonableness” defense ever since Graham v Connor. If cops are that mortified for their lives that they find it “reasonable” to shoot every person that makes them a hair scared, maybe they should consider another profession. Going forward, it’d be nice to require officers to get degrees and have mandatory sociology, psychology, civil rights, humanities, and ethics and civics classes in the curriculum. That can start to move the needle in the right direction.
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That’s what the media wants you to believe..

You have to consider the real data and not media/political drama that‘s flashed up in front of your face. So there's 50 million police encounters a year in the US. Out of that, there are 50 deaths of unarmed people. Some are black, more are white. That is an error rate of one per million, or .0001 percent. That's three times lower than what we accept in machine processing, and also much lower than what is acceptable in any occupation. We are being conditioned to hold them up to standards that aren’t all that achievable- because they are human.

So it's a one and a million chance, and we are trying to bring that one in a million chance to a zero in a million chance. If it’s even possible with reform to bring it down to zero in a million, with that one incidence of chance and error, incompetence, resistance, or a bad cop- it goes right back up to one in a million. So it's going to be a very difficult thing because it‘s a rare mistake that cost lives. We should be praising/thanking them for a job well done and for risking their lives to keep us safe rather than demoralizing them into retirement for the wrong doing of a few.
 
Ricky10 said:
That’s what the media wants you to believe..

You have to consider the real data and not media/political drama that‘s flashed up in front of your face. So there's 50 million police encounters a year in the US. Out of that, there are 50 deaths of unarmed people. Some are black, more are white. That is an error rate of one per million, or .0001 percent. That's three times lower than what we accept in machine processing, and also much lower than what is acceptable in any occupation. We are being conditioned to hold them up to standards that aren’t all that achievable- because they are human.

So it's a one and a million chance, and we are trying to bring that one in a million chance to a zero in a million chance. If it’s even possible with reform to bring it down to zero in a million, with that one incidence of chance and error, incompetence, resistance, or a bad cop- it goes right back up to one in a million. So it's going to be a very difficult thing because it‘s a rare mistake that cost lives. We should be praising/thanking them for a job well done and for risking their lives to keep us safe rather than demoralizing them into retirement for the wrong doing of a few.
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It’s interesting that 25 unarmed black men were shot in 2019, half that 50 number you referenced. And yet black Americans only make up 13% of the population. 13% —> 50%. Almost as if there’s a problem there. Meh statistics shmatistics. Also, I don’t care if that number is 50, 30 or 7. The number should be as close to 0 as possible. Having a lax standard does little to help this number. The standards for police to not be so trigger-happy needs to be higher.
 
Look at the stats, trigger happy, smh. You are just following what the media tells you to believe, talk to unpaid blacks and they echo the same views. Do your own leg work you will see the truth. But really sounds like your mind is made up. Side note you do realize all the black athletes and actors all voted for Trump right? People always take their priorities first.
 
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Look at the stats, trigger happy, smh. You are just following what the media tells you to believe, talk to unpaid blacks and they echo the same views. Do your own leg work you will see the truth. But really sounds like your mind is made up. Side note you do realize all the black athletes and actors all voted for Trump right? People always take their priorities first.
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What planet do you live on? Bc it‘s not this one. Do you just make up things in your mind about everything you want to believe? I bet the hundreds of vocal black athletes on social media all voted for bigger sandwiches too. They seem like they eat a lot so they def voted for bigger sandwiches #truth
 
mase1 said:
Look at the stats, trigger happy, smh. You are just following what the media tells you to believe, talk to unpaid blacks and they echo the same views. Do your own leg work you will see the truth. But really sounds like your mind is made up. Side note you do realize all the black athletes and actors all voted for Trump right? People always take their priorities first.
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It’s honestly best not to even engage with that whole camp. Like you said, their minds are already made up. Actual statistics and facts do not matter.
 
thebigt said:
anyone see any hispanics in the crowd at protests/riots/lootings?

all i have seen are angry whites/blacks.
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No because Hispanics are to busy trying to work for a living.. not worrying about a poor me mentality and going on and on about non sense.. also Spaniards (which happens to be my nationality) diD things right from the start at least in regards to race.. the Spaniards integrates and mixes with the indigenous and African slaves for 100s of years.. unlike this fucking country where up until 1960s there were laws against interracial marriage.. so fucking ignorant.. here I the US yeah it’s a melting pot as in we have al kinds of races but they are all separated.. whites.. blacks.. Asian.. you go to say a Hispanic country or even Puerto Rico.. and the majority of people are all Tri Racial.. having mixed ancestry background and there is no white or black nonsense.... same with Brazil and other places colonized by Spain or Portugal.. only here in the US does the color of your skin matter.. rediculous
 
Can't just spout out partial "facts" without including the rest of the details that affect the officers actions and final outcome! How many unarmed black men (white, spanish, asian, etc.) were killed... that were committing crimes, on drugs, resisting arrest, and assaulting the officer or trying to grab his pistol/taser when killed??? The FULL story is important. What would YOU do in the cops position? What WILL you do when you are in this position because there are no more cops???

There ARE instances where police use excessive force and illegally kill citizens, and they need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I think once the criminal is in cuffs, the cops are responsible for that life (think Freddie Gray or this guy Floyd) no matter how much of a drugged career criminal up to that point. Once in cuffs, the person is somewhat helpless for certain life saving needs.

But when the liberal left attempts to roll EVERY police killing into a racist montage it shames the legitimate cause and loses otherwise deserving widespread support. Who can argue about "systemic racism" without also having the courage to speak of "systemic criminality"? Chicken and the egg?? (*no offense meant to either chickens or eggs)

It may be a cycle of racism leads to poverty leads to criminality leads to consequence... and we need to break the cycle.

What is the larger more widespread problem? Is it white cops killing black men or black men killing white cops (and each other)??? Where can personal accountability break the cycle?
 
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Can't just spout out partial "facts" without including the rest of the details that affect the officers actions and final outcome! How many unarmed black men (white, spanish, asian, etc.) were killed... that were committing crimes, on drugs, resisting arrest, and assaulting the officer or trying to grab his pistol/taser when killed??? The FULL story is important. What would YOU do in the cops position? What WILL you do when you are in this position because there are no more cops???

There ARE instances where police use excessive force and illegally kill citizens, and they need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I think once the criminal is in cuffs, the cops are responsible for that life (think Freddie Gray or this guy Floyd) no matter how much of a drugged career criminal up to that point. Once in cuffs, the person is somewhat helpless for certain life saving needs.

But when the liberal left attempts to roll EVERY police killing into a racist montage it shames the legitimate cause and loses otherwise deserving widespread support. Who can argue about "systemic racism" without also having the courage to speak of
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Don’t even bother asking what they would do in someone else’s position, because the response would just be self deception. No one know what they do until they are in it, and more than likely, they would do something worse or freeze up and get themselves and someone else killed.
 
On a Corona note - while total testing numbers are up we are also seeing more positives per test and that curve going up again. A very real problem emerging again...
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bradleyt1 said:
only here in the US does the color of your skin matter.. rediculous
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I don't give two fucks about your color. what I care about is right vs wrong or in the case of America, right vs left, left being constantly WRONG. If it wasn't for the libs there wouldn't be a mention of racism in modern America. You can actually trace most of this BS back to Obama and his stirring of the pot.
 
Quest said:
I'm by far no racist. But maybe my privileged life has taught me to not see the racism with Floyd?

Were the cops called because he was black?
Did the police use racist words?
Was the officer holding him down emotionally charged?

How will they prove hate crime or murder?


Manslaughter..
he should have let him up to sit cuffed up.

Officer is sober, he's on meth wtf.
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I would like to know the answer to this tbh (and I don’t know what the answer is) - I haven’t seen anything that suggests the officer ‘targeted’ the guy due to race - he seems like he’s some power happy police guy who got carried away with his own authority and would have knelt on anyone’s neck, white, black, Asian, little green dude from mars etc.....

is there a reason racism was assumed as the motive?
 
Election year. And the Rona comment, starting out hospitalizations were 1 out of 10 and now 1 out of 20. So positives up and hospitalizations down.
 
bradleyt1 said:
No because Hispanics are to busy trying to work for a living.. not worrying about a poor me mentality and going on and on about non sense.. also Spaniards (which happens to be my nationality) diD things right from the start at least in regards to race.. the Spaniards integrates and mixes with the indigenous and African slaves for 100s of years.. unlike this fucking country where up until 1960s there were laws against interracial marriage.. so fucking ignorant.. here I the US yeah it’s a melting pot as in we have al kinds of races but they are all separated.. whites.. blacks.. Asian.. you go to say a Hispanic country or even Puerto Rico.. and the majority of people are all Tri Racial.. having mixed ancestry background and there is no white or black nonsense.... same with Brazil and other places colonized by Spain or Portugal.. only here in the US does the color of your skin matter.. rediculous
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the only color that should matter is green...the color of money.
 
Hospitalization rates are down, but yes with positives up at such a high rate hospitalizations are up. But at 5% rate as opposed to 10%.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
I don't give two fucks about your color. what I care about is right vs wrong or in the case of America, right vs left, left being constantly WRONG. If it wasn't for the libs there wouldn't be a mention of racism in modern America. You can actually trace most of this BS back to Obama and his stirring of the pot.
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I’m not an unreasonable person, but how you make blanket statements like this is beyond me. I don’t call conservatives wrong just for being conservative. That’s ridiculous and illogical. Again, I’ve thrown this word out a lot lately, but everything requires nuance. You can’t say every policy on one side is correct. I’d call myself liberal, but I understand policies on the right. I don’t like Biden. I don’t like the excessive pandering thar occurs by democratic leaders. But to sit here and say that the entire left is wrong and the entire right is correct is the kind of myopic, self-important thinking that I previously mentioned as happening far too often here. Also, let’s not act like racism doesn’t exist just bc you think it’s being exploited lately. I typically don’t say things in life (and even here) unless I find someone being unreasonable and patronizing to an oppressed party. Attempting to have object permanence goes a long way.
 
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