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Anyone ran superdrol without the horrible sides?

B5150 said:
I want to provide a word of caution - gaining 50lbs on a bench press in 3 weeks is a recipe for serious tendon and ligament injury.

Remember that muscle contractile strength is rapidly increased with the use of AAS, very much so with SD. The tendon and ligament strength does not increase at nearly that rate if at all.

Someone who has little training experience and little tendon and ligament strength (basically a newbie with less than two years of intelligent training experience) is setting themselves up for a very serious injury.

Just a word to the wise - that very deep seated long lasting, excruciating soreness that you experience is not DOMS.
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you are correct

I'd just like to point out that in my situation, I've been this strong before and benched these numbers before over a year ago. So for me it's not like I'm gaining strength into unknown territory, but getting my strength back up to what it has been during previous cycles. And my max was a calculated max :), I try not to go past 315 on bench, too much risk of injury.

Oneshot I gained about 15 pounds but my bodyfat is definitely up, i look a little bloated
 
russianstar said:
Here so you can see
2a,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one=Superdrol
2a,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxy-5b-androstan-3-one=M-drol

Thats a big difference in the effect it gives, thats part of the reason why the original was so good, you can still get clones with the original formula, but CEL M-drol, gives a 99 percent purity guarantee.
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Sorry to bump this but I recently have been looking into this since reading this post and got no where, so did as always. When all else fails, ask PA :D

He said that all 5beta-androstans are inactive, so the nomenclature you have written for Mdrol cannot be correct.

Now this leaves the question, why were the original batch so much more liver and lipid friendly????????
 
i decided to check out my bottle of SD and heres the formula it has,,
2a-17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one

2a,17a di methyl etiocholan 3-one, 17b-ol this is CEL Mdrol,,

y are both of them different than what russian star posted?

nevermind i just saw that cel made two different formulas it looks like,,the original and a newer one,,blah blah blah
 
tnick7 said:
Sorry to bump this but I recently have been looking into this since reading this post and got no where, so did as always. When all else fails, ask PA :D

He said that all 5beta-androstans are inactive, so the nomenclature you have written for Mdrol cannot be correct.

Now this leaves the question, why were the original batch so much more liver and lipid friendly????????
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I don't quite understand either. Anavar is quite possibly the mildest of all methyl orals and even it raises lipids and liver enzymes noticeably.
 
B5150 said:
Liver, yes. Lipids, moderate.

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Damn, 23 for HDL actually isn't bad at all. Most people who run a Superdrol 'clone' and get bloodwork have their HDL drop into single digits. What'd you dose at B?
 
That draw was at 50mg/day for several days. The liver values are untouched. Still think production SD of any manufactures is the same as the original beta? I don't.

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B5150 said:
That draw was at 50mg/day for several days. The liver values are untouched. Still think production SD of any manufactures is the same as the original beta? I don't.

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Yes this has been said a few times, me and mullet were having this same discussion. Funny how DS comes out with superdrol, and it really was the holy grail. Good mood throughout, great dry gains, easy on the hair line, no gyno, all the good stuff you want. Then comes along all the knock offs, and superdrol gets a black eye because people are popping up with "Delayed Gyno" whatever that is, and feeling like ****, and lipids/liver values all ****ed up.

Stick with the originals fellas... stock up.

Adams
 
DAdams91982 said:
Yes this has been said a few times, me and mullet were having this same discussion. Funny how DS comes out with superdrol, and it really was the holy grail. Good mood throughout, great dry gains, easy on the hair line, no gyno, all the good stuff you want. Then comes along all the knock offs, and superdrol gets a black eye because people are popping up with "Delayed Gyno" whatever that is, and feeling like ****, and lipids/liver values all ****ed up.

Stick with the originals fellas... stock up.

Adams
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Isn't it a bit late for that as these are pretty much gone (except for the occasional offering on eBay)?

Anyhow I have a 90 count of SNS Methyl-Drol XT (expired 12/07) and a 60 count of AX SD (expires this month) sitting in my freezer; would these be considered original??
 
DAdams91982 said:
Yes this has been said a few times, me and mullet were having this same discussion. Funny how DS comes out with superdrol, and it really was the holy grail. Good mood throughout, great dry gains, easy on the hair line, no gyno, all the good stuff you want. Then comes along all the knock offs, and superdrol gets a black eye because people are popping up with "Delayed Gyno" whatever that is, and feeling like ****, and lipids/liver values all ****ed up.

Stick with the originals fellas... stock up.

Adams
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Again, I have to disagree here. I've had great luck with CEL's M-drol and bad luck in the past with AX's Superdrol. I felt great while on with both but it was PCT that sucked with the original Superdrol. That was because I used Rebound XT w/ Nolva since I didn't know better. Maybe some of the other knockoffs are garbage, but CELs seemed like the real deal to me. No sides, dry gains, good mood, awesome strength, etc.
 
DAdams91982 said:
Yes this has been said a few times, me and mullet were having this same discussion. Funny how DS comes out with superdrol, and it really was the holy grail. Good mood throughout, great dry gains, easy on the hair line, no gyno, all the good stuff you want. Then comes along all the knock offs, and superdrol gets a black eye because people are popping up with "Delayed Gyno" whatever that is, and feeling like ****, and lipids/liver values all ****ed up.

Stick with the originals fellas... stock up.

Adams
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I understand that there are people experiencing differences between various brand names and various knock offs. My point is that even I experienced horrible sides when using the first run production DS SD. From my experience The DS beta tester SD was not what was in the first run production SD. I have plenty of production SD in my freezer and it makes me feel like ****.

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B5150 said:
That draw was at 50mg/day for several days. The liver values are untouched. Still think production SD of any manufactures is the same as the original beta? I don't.

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- I have yet yet to recapture that experience with DS production SD.
 
the whole sd delima is very interesting with all the clones and everything out there. I gave a bottle of methyldx3 to my friend to try out and he but opn a solid 15lbs in 3 weeks but had crazy dizzy spells and felt so tired. The clones have to be different compounds or dirty as I havn't quiet put on that much weight on my ax sd but havn't had anysides. And this is my first use of a prohormone. But i think i comes down to the person and how the body reacts because everyones different.

I have a feeling i think i'll like phera a bit more for some reason. I might bridge into 3 weeks of phera after the sd . Or just wait till next time would probably be the better choice.
 
i agree with sogone,,,it ultimately comes down to how YOUR body chemistry is gonna react with whats in the formula. Some ppl naturally are more responsive to certain chemicals and others unfortunately dont react well with it,,,feeling like crap, etc...and personal history would play a role also,,a person that has been drinking heavily for a couple years then decides to run an oral of sometype probally i would guess feel like crap the whole time im just guessing.
 
i have the ax sd 90ct bottle olny thing is a bit of bp issue i think. But i don't have any experience before this run of sd i'm on now. So can't make any comparisons.
 
Ziquor said:
When you guys say the original had no sides are we talking the original DS SD and AX both?
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Seems like everyone is saying different things, LOL

B5150 has posted blood work to show results from the DS SD, but I think he said that was the beta testing, not a for sale run.
 
I recently pulsed some original DS SD, with great results and very minimal sides -- until 2 weeks after PCT, when I developed the infamous delayed gyno in my right nip. It was pretty severe (I was even lactating), but I knocked it out with ATD, and was very careful to taper down the ATD. But then right at the end of my taper, I developed milder gyno in my other nip. This was easily handled with more ATD, but now I have no idea how to run a taper that won't permit a third bout of gyno from 1 simple pulse cycle.
So you should be more concerned with the delayed gyno issues from SD than the side effect probs, in my opinion.
 
ok guys i gotta question,,,ummmmm if i have some stuff i wanna get rid of,,like a few extra bottles of a supplement that i wanna sell,,can i get in trouble for doing that on this site?
 
wow i didnt know there was an auction area set up for this site,,thats awesome,,,but it cant be prohormonal,,,so SD is disqualified then.
 
good point,,,hmm ill consider that,,ive never seen it go for under a hundred bucks,,well actually i did one time but the bottle was missing 5 capsules lol. sold for $95! stuff sells like grandmas cookies 0.o
 
ImJ2x said:
I recently pulsed some original DS SD, with great results and very minimal sides -- until 2 weeks after PCT, when I developed the infamous delayed gyno in my right nip. It was pretty severe (I was even lactating), but I knocked it out with ATD, and was very careful to taper down the ATD. But then right at the end of my taper, I developed milder gyno in my other nip. This was easily handled with more ATD, but now I have no idea how to run a taper that won't permit a third bout of gyno from 1 simple pulse cycle.
So you should be more concerned with the delayed gyno issues from SD than the side effect probs, in my opinion.
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what did you use in your pct, what doseges and how long?
 
One Shot said:
what did you use in your pct, what doseges and how long?
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I just used 6oxoExtreme, for 24 days, with a very gradual down-taper. And it seemed to work great. But 2 weeks after I stopped taking it, the gyno popped up. In hindsight, I think I should have stayed on the 6oxoEx a bit longer. Thank god for ATD, or I'd be shopping for brasiers by now.
 
I am pulsing it with a low dose of T3 and albuterol. 6 weeker 3 x at 30 per day. just got done with first week. no real sides to speak of. the t3 alb make me sweat a bit). no sides other than that. bp is normal no headaches or back pumps. i have support supps and a good pct.
 
One Shot said:
good point,,,hmm ill consider that,,ive never seen it go for under a hundred bucks,,well actually i did one time but the bottle was missing 5 capsules lol. sold for $95! stuff sells like grandmas cookies 0.o
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Wow 100 bucks a bottle, I should sell mine, but Im afraid of getting kicked off ebay, I thought ebay deleted the sd auctions. And what about the fuzz, isnt sd on one of the many ban lists someplace?
 
well i sold some on ebay you just gotta misspell the name DONT TYPE SUPERDROL type in something like anabolic xtreme SD or something like that and have the picture up,,,ive sold NG and they kept ripping it off untill i spelled it wrong then they allowed it,,also sold original halodrol,,

BUT YEAH the superdrol if its all 90 capsules and sealed always sells for over a hundred bucks. and i was told you cant get in trouble for selling it because it wasnt actually banned. you can only get in trouble for producing it,,thats what ive gathered. just ebay doesnt want anything to deal with that stuff because its considered a drug to them.
 
oh and ive had,,lets see,,,,from ebay everytime my auction got ripped off they sent me a warning,,and ive gotten like 5 of them,,,so i think you have to get ALOT of warnings before they kick you off,,or try to sell something REALLY bad,,,like attempting to sell a prescription drug or a 40 oz of booze,,then you mighttttt get kicked off,,but with the superdrol ive gotten warned like 5 times and im still trucking on that site,,if you do post it up wait like an hour and if your auction is still up youre in the clear,,just dont spell out superdrol!!! gots to be sneaky = ),,,hehe like me,,i got 4 bottles of legit absinth and a bottle of lychee liquor when i flew back from taiwan through customs,,,when i was 19!!! hahaha,,im a smuggler

ps when i say dont spell out superdrol,,,dont even have it in the description,,,i used its name in the description one time and it ripped it off aswell.
 
thats y i was thinking it wasnt banned also,,if it was ppl wouldnt be able to produce the clones that are basically the same thing,,,what i was told was they were getting in trouble because they claim on their bottles superdrol is a dietary supplement,,and its not a dietary supplement,,so the fda told them stop making it or else,,so they did.
 
There is much to learn:

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I know I have mastered my skills of communication when people can say for me what I want without even having to say it myself.

Or maybe Easy just knows me too well ;)
 
I can guess a good bit of the time ;)

Its a pity that many of the "real" steroids were made illegal, as overall they are safer than the non-dshea compliant stuff that are for sale anyhow. I'd far rather do a cycle of Oral Turinabol, or even Dianabol with Test Undeconate caps than most of what is available today yet those carry the same sort of jail sentence as cocaine or heroin posession...
 
Not to mention that fact that these loop holed OTC products are so easy to get and are doing more harm to ignorant youngsters (and old alike) than the UG products that the feds have really cracked down on.

Lets consider that there is legal revenue being made from these loop holed OTC products. Legal revenue produces legal taxes from both federal and state income and sales. Illegal steroids import and sales don't...hmmmm :think:
 
EasyEJL said:
yeah, it doesn't exactly seem like they try very hard to crack down on the stuff
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Thats what always bothered me, if all this stuff is banned and illegal, why not raid the supplement stores, the retailers, the distributors and the manufacturers and shut them all down.

Ive read of a couple of instances where places had product taken from them, or shipment seized by customs, or got very scary letters and shutdown production voluntarily, but it seems to me the **** is still flowing, ban after ban after ban. And the only thing that happens is the price goes up.
 
B5150 said:
Not to mention that fact that these loop holed OTC products are so easy to get and are doing more harm to ignorant youngsters (and old alike) than the UG products that the feds have really cracked down on.
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just curious, are you implying that the designers are doing more harm to people because of their availability or because they are inherently more dangerous? if you are indeed implying the latter i would like to know why, and from what sources did you gather your information. i always hear people saying that the new designers are more dangerous than old school gear when there hasn't been any proof of this. yea they are methylated and hard on the liver but so are dbol, drol, var, winny, etc. some people may have a crappy experience on something like superdrol and say that "it must be harsher than normal gear cus when my buddy took dbol his ast and alt's were only slightly elevated and mine are through the roof" when in reality those are two different people having different responses to two different steroids. if that guy on dbol had taken superdrol his ast and alt's may have been only slightly elevated. different people respond differently to different steroids and to make a general assumption like that based on a select few experiences (i say select few because alot of ppl run designers, a few log and of that few, some run into trouble with them more so than regular gear) is wrong. if the former was what you were implying then i agree, they are too widely available to people who are ignorant of the ramifications of their use.
 
The availability of the products at the local health food supplement store gives some naive consumers the impression that these are less dangerous than an underground or illegal purchase.

Far too many are consuming these products on the ill advice of some retailers check out clerk or stock boy without any idea of what they are taking.

So by sheer volume of consumers and more irresponsibible use there is likely to be more harm than good that come from them.

There is something inherent in the sourcing of an illegal substance than can give someone a sense of greater caution and care that seems to be absent when a consumer can walk up to the local GNC or VitaminShop and purchase an illegal anabolic.

Of course I have no data to support this but I am sure you can get my point and extrapolate something reasonably similar.
 
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