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Anyone own a Mossberg 500?

DerickVonD

DerickVonD

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I was thinking about buying a used one. I heard I can get one used for about $200. I might move in with my best friend soon and I was looking for something to buy for home defense since it's not the best area, well it's not the worst area either but still.
 
You should be able to land a used 500 for $175 or so. For HD, they are fine. Some people bitch about the plastic safety and trigger guard and the aluminum (versus steel) receiver, but these things make the gun a little lighter, which is fine. It's been proven in military applications as well, and can survive with less cleaning than other guns like Remington 870s or some of the Benellis, since the tolerances on the Mossbergs are a bit looser. I prefer the location of the safety on the Mossberg over the 870 as well. It will serve your purpose well, and won't put you in the poor house.
 
SXIPro said:
You should be able to land a used 500 for $175 or so. For HD, they are fine. Some people bitch about the plastic safety and trigger guard and the aluminum (versus steel) receiver, but these things make the gun a little lighter, which is fine. It's been proven in military applications as well, and can survive with less cleaning than other guns like Remington 870s or some of the Benellis, since the tolerances on the Mossbergs are a bit looser. I prefer the location of the safety on the Mossberg over the 870 as well. It will serve your purpose well, and won't put you in the poor house.
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Cool thanks for the info man.
 
I like the 500, and have been eyeballing one or similar Mossberg for some time now. Just gotta wait for the loot to come in to get it, though! Good personal defense option, IMO. And, ya know, zombies, so there's that...

To wet your whistle, there's a sale going on right now at Invalid Link Removed on some Mossberg accessories for this. Check it out.
 
I have a mossberg mariner. It is a great shotgun.
A mossberg maverick with a 6 shot tube can be got new for around 200$
My cousin has one with #7 bird shot. It will not penetrate walls and hurt others but
will change peoples mind quickly when shot by it
 
The mossberg maverick is a regular mossberg with some of the frills removed. Still the same relieble rugged shot gun
The maverick home defence is a great choice
 
I had the 500 and loved it. Traded it a while back though, but wish I still had it.
 
Yeah, When I get the mossberg, I also what to get a folding stock and a forend pistol grip for it, but I've only seen a cheap plastic forend grip that only works with old Mossbergs from what I was reading. Kind of funny Duke Nukem 3D was my favorite game as a kid and now I'm getting the shotgun used in the game.
 
DerickVonD said:
Yeah, When I get the mossberg, I also what to get a folding stock and a forend pistol grip for it, but I've only seen a cheap plastic forend grip that only works with old Mossbergs from what I was reading. Kind of funny Duke Nukem 3D was my favorite game as a kid and now I'm getting the shotgun used in the game.
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on a mossberg 500 18.5 inch. Pretty nice. Not sure if you can still buy them
 
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I had my eye on that too, it does look nice. THis is the front end grip I was talking about Invalid Link Removed
Reviews say it only works on old Mossberg, I think I read the ones made in 06 or earlier. Is there any way to tell how old the Mossberg is? Here is what it states for the front end grip
"Note - Will not fit on the new Mossberg shotguns with one piece forend/action bar assembly used on some models after 2006. 12 Gauge only."
 
hmm I never bothered with the front grip, didn't seem all that necessary. Hard to tell, there probably is a way to tell based on serial # though.
 
Might even be a date stamped on it! lol

I get the idea of a pistol grip on the back, but not necessarily on the front. To me, it just looks a bit cheesy. Just my opinion, though. I have seen a few aftermarket grips for the front that I do like that incorporate a flashlight into them. Quite nice, and in a tactical/defense/zombie situation, could be handy! :D

I've been eyeballing this Model 535 at Gander Mountain for a while now. Just don't have the $500 to go for it.

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OK, a couple of things.

First of all, DO NOT listen to the guy who said to use birdshot for home defense (no offense to you bro but this is bad advice). That is terrible advice and will ****ing get you killed. Bird shot is made for BIRDS and will penetrate about 2-3 inches in human flesh at most. It is not effective for stopping a threat and many people have been killed by someone they shot with bird shot. You need to put 00 buckshot or slugs in that bitch. Period.

Secondly, do not put a pistol grip on it either, unless you are going to use it as a breeching tool for blowing off locks before the guys with fighting weapons kick down the door. I doubt you are going to be doing any dynamic entries with a breeching shotgun. That is why those exist, and they completely ruin a shotguns utility as a fighting implement. You cannot fight / shoot correctly with a shotgun that does not have a buttstock. A good solid purchase with the buttstock pressed tightly into the area between your pec and your deltoid along with a proper cheek weild are absolutely required for fast and accurate shooting and operation of the shotgun.


I would not recommend that you get one of those model 88s. I had one, it was the first weapon I ever owned in fact. I had problems with light primer strikes on some types of ammunition that I did not have with either my 590 or 500. I'm not sure why and it may have been completely coincidental, also it was purchased used. Anyway I own a 590 and a 500 and they are EXCELLENT shotguns and I have never had a single malfunction or other issue with either of them. I prefer them over the 870s that I have owned for many of the reasons already stated in this thread.


Lastly, I would probably avoid tapco-****ing your shotgun with all of that plastic ****. The only thing I put on mine is an elastic sleeve that goes on the buttstock to hold extra shells and a light. I think a light is pretty important on a home defense weapon but its not an absolute requirement if you are on a budget. If you do put a light on it get a real weapon light that uses an LED head and has a high lumen output. Anything 80 lumens or more will be sufficient. Some of these cheap chinese peice of **** low output incandescent lights that you can pick up here or there have **** output and are not designed to stand up to recoil like a real weapon light. You don't necessarily have to buy a surefire you can also look at Streamlight, Fenix, 4Sevens, and elzetta to name a few.



eta: I'm not a super ninja delta seal operator but firearms and shooting has been my primary hobby for about the last ten years and I have spent a stupid amount of time and money using, shooting, carrying, and reading about firearms. Everything I've told you is exactly what will get repeated as mantra if you go to any firearms forum on the internet and ask these questions. DO NOT put a pistol grip on it (one range trip and you will see why) and DO F^CKING NOT use birdshot for home defense. And to answer your question, yes mossberg 500's are the $hit and will make an excellent home defense tool.
 
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I have the 88 and never had a misfire
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I believe it...it could have been something stupid simple like I didn't know how to clean it properly back then or something simple that needed repaired. I didn't have that one very long and that was years before I became a gun nerd.

I know with my 500 and 590 I've put thousands upon thousands of shells through them and never had a hiccup. But like I said I bought those both new and who knows what the idiot who had the 88 before me did to it. I'm not even sure what the difference on the internals are between those and the 88, if any. Rereading my post I might have been a bit misleading that's not to say they aren't good shotguns it just soured me on them vs. the 500 and I'm too lazy to research what might have been the underlying cause of the issue. Just thought I should throw that info out there though.
 
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I believe it...it could have been something stupid simple like I didn't know how to clean it properly back then or something simple that needed repaired. I didn't have that one very long and that was years before I became a gun nerd.

I know with my 500 and 590 I've put thousands upon thousands of shells through them and never had a hiccup. I'm not even sure what the difference on the internals are between those and the 88, if any. Just thought I should throw that info out there though.
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The good thing was that the misfires were only happening with birdshot. It fired all the buckshot and slugs that I had just fine. I wonder if federal and winchester use harder primers on the birdshot for some reason?

In any case, if you take it out and shoot it and don't have any issues, then hell yeah use it for home defense!


eta: Just for the love of all that is holy, please put some buckshot in that thing! haha ;) :cheers:
 
toolband said:
OK, a couple of things.

First of all, DO NOT listen to the guy who said to use birdshot for home defense (no offense to you bro but this is bad advice). That is terrible advice and will ****ing get you killed. Bird shot is made for BIRDS and will penetrate about 2-3 inches in human flesh at most. It is not effective for stopping a threat and many people have been killed by someone they shot with bird shot. You need to put 00 buckshot or slugs in that bitch. Period.

Secondly, do not put a pistol grip on it either, unless you are going to use it as a breeching tool for blowing off locks before the guys with fighting weapons kick down the door. I doubt you are going to be doing any dynamic entries with a breeching shotgun. That is why those exist, and they completely ruin a shotguns utility as a fighting implement. You cannot fight / shoot correctly with a shotgun that does not have a buttstock. A good solid purchase with the buttstock pressed tightly into the area between your pec and your deltoid along with a proper cheek weild are absolutely required for fast and accurate shooting and operation of the shotgun.


I would not recommend that you get one of those model 88s. I had one, it was the first weapon I ever owned in fact. I had problems with light primer strikes on some types of ammunition that I did not have with either my 590 or 500. I'm not sure why and it may have been completely coincidental, also it was purchased used. Anyway I own a 590 and a 500 and they are EXCELLENT shotguns and I have never had a single malfunction or other issue with either of them. I prefer them over the 870s that I have owned for many of the reasons already stated in this thread.


Lastly, I would probably avoid tapco-****ing your shotgun with all of that plastic ****. The only thing I put on mine is an elastic sleeve that goes on the buttstock to hold extra shells and a light. I think a light is pretty important on a home defense weapon but its not an absolute requirement if you are on a budget. If you do put a light on it get a real weapon light that uses an LED head and has a high lumen output. Anything 80 lumens or more will be sufficient. Some of these cheap chinese peice of **** low output incandescent lights that you can pick up here or there have **** output and are not designed to stand up to recoil like a real weapon light. You don't necessarily have to buy a surefire you can also look at Streamlight, Fenix, 4Sevens, and elzetta to name a few.



eta: I'm not a super ninja delta seal operator but firearms and shooting has been my primary hobby for about the last ten years and I have spent a stupid amount of time and money using, shooting, carrying, and reading about firearms. Everything I've told you is exactly what will get repeated as mantra if you go to any firearms forum on the internet and ask these questions. DO NOT put a pistol grip on it (one range trip and you will see why) and DO F^CKING NOT use birdshot for home defense. And to answer your question, yes mossberg 500's are the $hit and will make an excellent home defense tool.
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I was already planning on getting some buckshots and afew slugs. What about the ATI Folding stock though? Are they good or should I try and get a Mossberg that already has a buttstock? I know a lot of the 500s I've seen, atleast online do not come with a buttstock.
 
DerickVonD said:
I was already planning on getting some buckshots and afew slugs. What about the ATI Folding stock though? Are they good or should I try and get a Mossberg that already has a buttstock? I know a lot of the 500s I've seen, atleast online do not come with a buttstock.
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I guess some guys like those they're just not my thing i may have injected a bit of preferences in there with facts. If you cant find one with a stock you could buy an after market one i suppose. What i really hate is when people put those M4 looking stocks on shotguns lol i dont know why ive got a bunch of ARs.

What i really meant by the tapco **** is like my brother who put a crappy made m4 look a like stock on his 870 and a cheap ass forward grip with this stupid ass big wire for a pressure switch that connected to the biggest peice of **** made in china couldnt be sighted in laser ive ever seen. I mean he took a perfectly capable weapon and turned it into a useless cluster**** of the highest order with airsoft **** he bought on ebay i didnt know whether to cry or puke lol. Dont do that and youll be good haha
 
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The reasoning for the bird shot is it you live in an apartment and don't want stray buck shot going through walls and hitting others.
Bird shot is pretty effective in changing someones mind. Not a killer but effective.
I live in a home and share no walls with anyone else. I use a 12 gauge with 3 rather large balls in it. Effective and deadly.

The difference between the mavrick and the mossberg is the placement of the safety. Nothing else is different.
 
Here are like the first ten links I found on google for the discussion about using birdshot for home defense. People who know more then both of us combined think it is an incredibly bad idea.

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I'm not trying to imply that one should just follow the herd and put faith in common wisdom, its just that I've been through all this many times before and its not a subject I have much interest in revisiting or debating right now. Just passing on the info you guys can go read and come to your own conclusions.

I'd rather fight with a knife or a baseball bat then a shotgun loaded with birdshot, to be honest.
 
toolband said:
I'm not trying to imply that one should just follow the herd and put faith in common wisdom, its just that I've been through all this many times before and its not a subject I have much interest in revisiting or debating right now. Just passing on the info you guys can go read and come to your own conclusions.

I'd rather fight with a knife or a baseball bat then a shotgun loaded with birdshot, to be honest.
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If anything dude, I'm the opposite, I'd always want to load with the most powerful ammo lol.
 
Got rid of the 500 for a 870 which I personally like much more. But the 500 was flawless in every use. It came down to personal preference.

Also I have an ATI collapsable tactical stock and an ATI top folding stock I would like to get rid of. The top folding stock is unopened. Both fit 870s and 500s. Willing to take a loss on either. PMs or e mail me if interested!
 
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Here are like the first ten links I found on google for the discussion about using birdshot for home defense. People who know more then both of us combined think it is an incredibly bad idea.

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Realistically an accurate handgun would be a better home defense weapon in my opinion. But a pitbull barking and the sound an 870 makes when racked should scare any one away.

Then again OP was looking around 200 bucks, no decent hand gun will cost $200.
 
I would also opt for a 870. You can get a used one for around $200. You can get about any accessory for it as you can the 500. I don't own a mossberg but have shot them, they feel loose, rattle a lot. I have put hundreds of rounds through my 870. It's still tight and it don't jam. In stead of a pistol grip I would get the six position collapsible stock. Bird shot is a good idea for the apartment . Anywhere else I'm spraying triple 00 buckshot, not slugs. Just my two cents.
 
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Realistically an accurate handgun would be a better home defense weapon in my opinion. But a pitbull barking and the sound an 870 makes when racked should scare any one away.

Then again OP was looking around 200 bucks, no decent hand gun will cost $200.
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Problem there is that a lot of handgun ammunition is so powerful that at close range, it could go through the person and through a wall, window, door, whatever and potentially hit someone else. The argument these days is that a shotgun actually is better than handgun for home defense. The loads have great stopping power in a short distance, and the chance of buckshot passing through to the neighbor's house is slim.

Although, a tip for handgun owners, DO use birdshot - as your first round. This might even be good for shots in the house, too. If you warn someone to back off and hit them with a less than lethal round, but they still come at you, then you have reason to use deadly force. This isn't so much for defense purposes but rather to save your arse in the court hearing that is bound to happen after the incident. Face it - ya just can't shoot someone these days, even IF you have really really really good reason. $10 says you could murder a guy in your bed who is raping your wife and you'd still go to court for it. (The "system" sucks.)
 
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Problem there is that a lot of handgun ammunition is so powerful that at close range, it could go through the person and through a wall, window, door, whatever and potentially hit someone else. The argument these days is that a shotgun actually is better than handgun for home defense. The loads have great stopping power in a short distance, and the chance of buckshot passing through to the neighbor's house is slim.
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they have fatality rates in the 98+% range. the wikipedia clip fails to mention the bird shot is also held together with epoxy, which of course shatters on impact. The reason for the super high fatality rate is that it creates so many microperforations in organs and blood vessels its almost impossible to stop all the internal bleeding in time.
 
Jesus. I don't have the time or energy for this lol. If you guys want to actually learn something about firearms and home defense, go to a gun board and post these questions.

The sound of "racking" a shotgun will not scare off an intruder, those glaser "safety" slugs are the absolute WORST self-defense ammunition you could opt for, and nearly everything that anyone has posted in this thread is gun shop bull**** lol. Imagine going to a gun forum and reading a discussion about AAS usage where everyone is telling you that PCT is unnecessary, methylated orals can be run for years straight at a time, and that you don't need to even bother going to the gym if you are taking enough gear. Lol that is seriously about the quality of information that is being passed around in here lol.

As for the poster who said they prefer the 870, many people do. Its also a fine shotgun. The only reason I personally prefer the mossberg is because of ergonomics (placement of the safety and the action release). They are both excellent choices though and in widespread use in law enforcement. For whatever reason the military uses the 590. Can't go wrong with either one truth be told. In fact probably my favorite shotgun I ever owned was an 870 marine magnum (its like the mossberg mariner meant for maritime use and won't rust with salt water). Either one is definitely good to go.


I don't claim to be some know-it-all about firearms but let me sum up years of research for you guys. If you are going to use a weapon for home defense put a light on it. Unless you are planning on being attacked by birds don't ****ing use birdshot for home defense. Hit what you are aiming at, be aware of your target and whats behind it, and over penetration will be less of a danger than the individual/s trying to rape/murder you and your family in any problem that actually requires lethal force to solve. Don't rely on dry-wall to stop ANY type of ammunition. Interior walls are concealment, not cover, period. Don't defend your life and employ lethal force using ammunition that will not reliably stop a threat. This is stupid. Quality jacketed hollow points with flash retardant and bonded cores should be used for pistols (gold dot, bonded golden sabers, winchester ranger T's, etc.). 00 buckshot or slugs should be used in shotguns that are kept for social purposes / two-legged critters.


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Here, I even saved you guys some time so you can jump right to the relevant info in the links I posted. Glaser safety slugs being the suck, not using birdshot for home defense, etc. is all covered below.


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Also one thing I just read that is a good point about shotguns is that buckshot is a better choice then slugs. Slugs do over-penetrate like a mother****er while birdshot does not penetrate enough to stop an attacker. I kept saying buckshot or slugs but it is true that slugs really do maybe penetrate more than necessary. To be honest I keep my 12 gauge loaded with buckshot although the first shell is a slug for two reasons, 1. slugs are more effective against body armor and 2. if someone is trying to use a family member as a human-shield I would rather send a slug towards their melon that close to a loved one then a pattern of buckshot. I am probably over analyzing it.

Truth be told, my primary home defense weapon is a Glock 19 with a surefire X300 weaponlight. I shoot pistols more (IDPA / IPSC competition) and have little ones that may need to be carried, I can operate a phone, etc. and still employ the pistol with one hand if necessary. Also weapons retention is generally easier in-doors with a pistol. Terminal ballistics is better with a shotgun (unless you do something stupid like load it with birdshot) however I am more comfortable with a pistol and prefer the ammunition capacity of the pistol. Its a personal thing a 12 gauge or a pistol are both excellent choices.

I also keep one of my AR15s ready to rock and roll in the bed room and it has a weapon light obviously as well.


Of course we all hope that we will never be forced to shoot someone but it is our duty and responsibility to keep our loved ones safe from harm, and if anyone ever makes an attempt to harm mine I plan to win the fight. Birdshot and gimmic ammo and all that other **** has no place in that picture.
 
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Problem there is that a lot of handgun ammunition is so powerful that at close range, it could go through the person and through a wall, window, door, whatever and potentially hit someone else. The argument these days is that a shotgun actually is better than handgun for home defense. The loads have great stopping power in a short distance, and the chance of buckshot passing through to the neighbor's house is slim.

Although, a tip for handgun owners, DO use birdshot - as your first round. This might even be good for shots in the house, too. If you warn someone to back off and hit them with a less than lethal round, but they still come at you, then you have reason to use deadly force. This isn't so much for defense purposes but rather to save your arse in the court hearing that is bound to happen after the incident. Face it - ya just can't shoot someone these days, even IF you have really really really good reason. $10 says you could murder a guy in your bed who is raping your wife and you'd still go to court for it. (The "system" sucks.)
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Absolutely. My beretta 9mm is dead accurate. I also have a taurus judge bedside loaded with either .410 000 buck shot or the Winchester home defense rounds. I could use .45 colt, but at the risk of hitting my neighbors. Plus the 9mm does not recoil much and I won't loose my target after each shot.

870 in the closet loaded with buckshot. Shotguns have their own issues with home defense. I have a lot of corners and turns in my hallways.

Beagle for a early warning system

Pitbull as a guard dog.

S&W bodyguard 380 for car/conceal situations. Any gun will protect you better than no gun.

Let's not forget louiville slugger hangs out by the door.

This thread will be too much fun for too many of us!
 

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Very nice, Mike! My modest collection of firearms don't generally hang out in strategic places. Hell, the 9 and 357 are in the ManVan center console and have been for months! Fully loaded, with a spare 15rd clip for the 9, mind you. My 2 rifles and single-shot 20ga are in the back of my closet. With a 3 yr old in the house, I keep things out of the way.

However, I am a fan of knives and such, too. Butterfly knife in the first drawer after the doorway in the kitchen, bowie knife sitting on top the fridge, box of assundry knives in my bedroom closet, 2 swords in my dining room behind the buffet table, and one ALWAYS in my pocket. For that matter, I keep a red oak walking staff by my front door, too. It's my beatin' stick! lol

All this talk has me itchin'. Looks like I have a new goal for savin' my quarters at work! HA!! :cheers:
 
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Very nice, Mike! My modest collection of firearms don't generally hang out in strategic places. Hell, the 9 and 357 are in the ManVan center console and have been for months! Fully loaded, with a spare 15rd clip for the 9, mind you. My 2 rifles and single-shot 20ga are in the back of my closet. With a 3 yr old in the house, I keep things out of the way.

However, I am a fan of knives and such, too. Butterfly knife in the first drawer after the doorway in the kitchen, bowie knife sitting on top the fridge, box of assundry knives in my bedroom closet, 2 swords in my dining room behind the buffet table, and one ALWAYS in my pocket. For that matter, I keep a red oak walking staff by my front door, too. It's my beatin' stick! lol

All this talk has me itchin'. Looks like I have a new goal for savin' my quarters at work! HA!! :cheers:
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Haha I almost feel sorry for the poor son-of-a-bitch who is dumb enough to break into your place! hahaha
 
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Absolutely. My beretta 9mm is dead accurate. I also have a taurus judge bedside loaded with either .410 000 buck shot or the Winchester home defense rounds. I could use .45 colt, but at the risk of hitting my neighbors. Plus the 9mm does not recoil much and I won't loose my target after each shot.

870 in the closet loaded with buckshot. Shotguns have their own issues with home defense. I have a lot of corners and turns in my hallways.

Beagle for a early warning system

Pitbull as a guard dog.

S&W bodyguard 380 for car/conceal situations. Any gun will protect you better than no gun.

Let's not forget louiville slugger hangs out by the door.

This thread will be too much fun for too many of us!
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Hell yeah bro nice blaster!
 
man i really need the money / time / range access.

i am so close doing it, just need the time and money.... :)
 
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Haha I almost feel sorry for the poor son-of-a-bitch who is dumb enough to break into your place! hahaha
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Not to mention my little pup that resides in the living room... Male Great Dane. :D And if he's not enough to intimidate you, well... there's always your's truly! LOL


Did a little digging today on some gun websites. Definitely finding some nice deals on Mossy 500s out there for less than I expected. Time to save my quarters up again! Also, I'll be taking donations via PayPal for anyone who wants to contribute to the "TiM would be the best weapon in the zombie apocalypse that I could ever hope for" Fund. :cheers:
 
Hahaha i cant wait till the zombies come lmao
 
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