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Any reason for on-cycle AI, SERM, etc, with Epistane???

Ben55

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As the title says, is there ever a reason to run something like nolva, or even something milder like E-form or 6-oxo while on Epistane? Take into consideration if one is prone to gyno or sensitive to estrogen. I know this acts as a mild AI, but I am wondering if there is any need for additional protection when running alone or with other compounds....
 
Well you want a Serm to get test production kicking.So keep a serm in the equation and theres no reason for an AI until pct when youre producing test again.Im using Torem and Atd on pct and Im coming back faster then I ever have before.
 
mmowry said:
Well you want a Serm to get test production kicking.So keep a serm in the equation and theres no reason for an AI until post cycle therapy when youre producing test again.Im using Torem and Atd on post cycle therapy and Im coming back faster then I ever have before.
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ATD during your PCT? Given Epistanes anti-estrogenic effects wouldn't this be overkill?

Also if you've used both how does Torem compare to Tamox in your experience?
 
I think a few people might do well from reading up on the compound's anti-estrogen effect.

How Epistane™ Works

Battling Gyno

Estradiol is the strongest form of estrogen in the human body, effecting several organs. Estradiol enters cells freely and interacts with a cytoplasmic target cell receptor (ER? and ER?). When the estrogen receptor has bound its ligand it can enter the nucleus of the target cell and regulate gene transcription which leads to formation of messenger RNA. The mRNA interacts with ribosomes to produce specific proteins that express the effect of estradiol upon the target cell. Epistane™ works by binding and deactivating the ER? so that no estrodiol-elicited effects can be carried out in the cell. In the case of breast tissue ER? is the primary target receptor responsible for growth and proliferation. Epistane™ binds to the ER? and not only disables the receptor from binding to estradiol, it actually puts the cell in an estrogen deprived state, which decreases the cells viability and leads to a decrease in size and eventual cell death. Other SERMs also block the ER? receptor and AI’s even block the formation of Estradiol from testosterone conversion. However, the effectiveness at the receptor and long term side effects vary. Epistane™ has been shown to have one of the strongest and longest effects at the binding site, with minimal side effects when compared to other anti-estrogens.

Increasing Lean Body Mass

Epistane™ also binds to androgen receptors located on skeletal muscle cells and muscle stem cells. This then leads to changes in muscle cell function and protein synthesis. In the case of muscle stem cells, they will actually change and fuse with your active adult skeletal muscles increasing the muscles potential for growth and repair. On the opposing side, the presence of androgens actually decreases the ability of stem cells to form new fat cells. So you now have increased stem cell conversion to muscle cells and decreased stem cell conversion to fat cells, giving you more positive effects out of your nutrition and training.

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In regards to gyno- a SERM with Epistane is like putting sugar on your Sugar Puffs. SERM in PCT, not with Epi imo.
 
Ziri with Torem my boys were at full swing in under a wk but to each their own.I wouldnt run a pct without a Serm.
 
That's not what I'm saying, I agree...use SERM in post cycle therapy but not during a cycle of Epi. I should've been more specific in that last post, sorry.

EDIT - Re-read the threadstarters question ("Any reason for on-cycle AI, SERM, etc, with Epistane???") and then read mine again...
 
Now I understand so in answer to the question: ^^^^ what he said :)
 
ATD during your post cycle therapy? Given Epistanes anti-estrogenic effects wouldn't this be overkill?

Not over kill for pct since the goal is to keep gains and keep estro rebound at bay Im running ATD 25,50,50


Also if you've used both how does Torem compare to Tamox in your experience?

Torem is the ace baby.Like I posted earlier the boys were back in action in less than a wk but Im still going to run pct for a min of 2wks.
 
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