The best update I can give on this is that its one of the biggest pain in the asses of a project I've ever worked on in terms of branded ingredient suppliers. I'll detail it all when its released, but I'm not giving any further ETA's on this until that happens bc it seems like its always something with it. Basically, when trying to get 3 different branded ingredient suppliers that offer competitive ingredients to work together for theirs being in the same product, its been a nightmare. Lesson learned, I'll probably never try something like this on another product.
I like that idea of an appearance type product. Any suggestions? We have a hair, skin, and nails product in the works that will be great for this; but I'm always open to other ideas.
Well, obviously if brand-X is listed first on the ingredient panel then they must be the best. Plus, brand-Y wants to ensure they get the most dominant font-size and label coverage...
It's been stuff like that plus more.
Appreciate the update and info. Looking forward to this curcumin product. I probably don't fully understand the 3 types that were going to go in but if there's a replacement I hope it is similar in effect to the branded ingredient that pulled out.
Please put toco-8 in it.
Thank you. And I really do appreciate people anticipating new releases and being excited about them. And I do think for some people, it really is them looking forward to the releases and being bummed when there are delays - and I really do appreciate and respect that.
We probably wouldn't use Toco-8 in the hair, skin, and nails product because I believe if I'm not mistaken that Toco-8 has to be in a liquid/soft gel form and this is a packed formula that wouldn't be suitable for that. But if enough people are interested, we would be glad to do a Toco-8 in addition to it.
There are a lot of different branded ingredient curcumins. Some are pretty close to one another and some are uniquely different. The key for us was to go with 3 great ones that all have different enhanced absorption mechanisms (and to a lesser degree, ones that were also well known for marketing purposes).
You're not hijacking the thread at all. This one the type of thing I was hoping would be discussed here.
Have you by chance come across any info on Telos95 that can’t be traced back to info put out by manufacturers of the product? It sounds cool and all, but the “clinical study” most sites refer to was conducted by companies who sell it.
I didn't word that correctly. While reading about it I came across how it can extend cell life, but it would extend the life of all cells including cancer cells. I believe the term used was create immortal cancer cells lol. Not that it's funny but it sounded funny to me. Anyway, I only did a whopping 2 hours of research so I still don't know anything about this stuff. That's why I was hoping to get pointed towards some material on the subject. I know they like to toss the potential cancer around in almost any conversation about supplements.
The clinical study was sponsored by the company that sells it but that's the case with almost anything branded ingredient that is unique. What I mean by that is that if there's a branded form of Bacopa for example, there's hundreds of studies on Bacopa so you have a reference point for non branded forms. But when its a unique specialized extract, generally no one else is going to spend money on clinical studies until after the company does themselves.
I think that would be the case with pretty much anything in the Telomere category; there is no way that I'm aware of for anything to target specific cells.
I agree. I think that it will take a lot of time to understand them and that knowledge in that field is rapidly growing so its something one would have to keep up with ongoingly to really stay on top of it.
I like and agree with your idea but its not as easy as it may seem. I'll break down my reply into a paragraph by paragraph reply to your post.
From my reading I don't think that would be the case with this one.
i simply buy raw turmeric root from the store and mix in smoothie with avocado oil
Say you have the average supplement user and AAS guy/gal. By the time they spend money on the "essentials" as you mentioned NY: pre-workout, protein, joint product and so on there is little left over for most people to spend on this category. sns8778 even if the price point is attractive I still look at these products as a huge commitment from the standpoint that for full benefit you really need to take them, well, for your lifetime. So even $20.00, which is cheap for the category, can look like alot when it's per month for life.
There's nothing wrong with doing that but its pretty much impossible to get enough actual Curcumin that way to provide a lot of the great benefits associated with Curcumin.
It would literally be impossible to provide a quality product in this category for 20.00. Heck, the cost of raws alone for some of these things in a formula would be at or exceed 20.00 just to make it. So its definitely not a category for everyone.
That's an interesting point.
It's interesting that you wrote the 2nd to last paragraph there that you did. I was finalizing the Optimize-T write up earlier today (will do the official intro tomorrow) but here is an except that I wrote:
I posted the above for irony and that we were thinking basically the same thing about some categories. And it definitely applies with anti-aging stuff. I see companies use Wheat Germ Extract and try to pass it off as Spermidine and Astragalus Extract and try to pass it off as Astragaloside IV. Literally using ingredients that cost less than 15.00 per kg. and trying to pass them off as ones that cost hundreds or thousands of dollars per kg.
Lol for sure.
There are definitely some decent ones out there but they are in the minority. Most products in that category try to sell at a low price point to target impulse buyers and go for the cheapest possible formula to be able to do so; and to be able to spend the most on marketing.
TBH long-term I believe that type of customer represents a long-term success model. It has been my experience that when you get a 35-50-year-old on a product they like that is NOT BB/fitness related they will be incredibly loyal to that product. Take joint products as an example: Your knee hurts and you are 45. You take a joint product and it works well you are not going to dump it for the next new shiny joint product to come out like we BBers do with almost everything. When you successfully serve that demographic you can secure a customer for almost life.
This is pretty much nail on head. Most people do not know what a good dose of an ingredient is and supplement companies can use some tactics to make things seem like more than they are.
Some people would regard Berberine as having anti-aging properties. It kind of goes back to what the individuals definition of anti-aging is.
You guys really are hitting it all, I just got two more bottles of anabolic effect, did 3 months then had some personal issues so took a couple weeks off the gym, but I really enjoyed it the first time.
Berberine seems to increase AMPK in lab animals similar to metformin and I think one would be hard-pressed to argue that a lower overall BG level would shorten lifespan(dangerously low of course being an exception lol.)
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If you have been around for any length of time in fitness/BB/supplements and adjacent interest groups you can't help but laugh/bang your head against the wall at the stuff that the general public latches onto or believes. For instance, the whole "gummy" craze is particularly irritating to me personally. Here's an idea let's keep our desire to gobble candy all day over here and our desire to improve our health and well-being over here. They don't need to intermingle as you get the best of neither that way. I mean if we are talking about a multi for a three-year-old? Ok, I see the merit but grown-ass adults don't need to be coerced into compliance with candy, either you care enough to swallow this incredibly inconvenient capsule or you don't(sarcasm heavy here.)
Who thinks that fasting is a new thing? What else did they think people did when there wasn’t food available? I’m missing something here.
Thank you.
Poll 100 random people and ask when they first heard about IF? If they have even heard of it I bet the majority first heard of the practice in the last couple of years. Heck, I bet the average person just recently heard about keto, I have had people ask whats a carbohydrate is and these are grown adults and they were 100% serious.
Thank you for sharing and explaining. And all of those issues can be related to aging, but also can have a lot of other factors as well.
I agree it would be impractical to try to cover so much in a single product.
Awesome. I really hope that you'll enjoy them. If you have any questions or if I can help in any way, please let me know.
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