AndroSeries v3 - The Past, The Present and the Future

squidboy said:
V1 and 2 were clearly very underdosed, so id say this is just correcting a problem.... certainly not more....hopefully less. My 8 week AM/AH cycle (3 each) cost just about $1000........
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I could get behind this idea. Not sure if many people would or could purchase them if the cost increased.
 
squidboy said:
V1 and 2 were clearly very underdosed, so id say this is just correcting a problem.... certainly not more....hopefully less. My 8 week AM/AH cycle (3 each) cost just about $1000........
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Jesus....did you enjoy the cycle at least?
 
Yes. But the cost tripled after i was part way through cycle. That part was not cool. The first $500 was B.S, the second was epic. It was underdosed and a mass cycle needs to be 8weeks....4 is waste of a cycle.. surprising sides (lethargy, and libido) and water gain coupled with very modest strength gains....but increased endurance. Weeks 4.5-8 where ****ing epic though. I lost water weight, lethargy decreased, and badass LBM gains poured in. Gained 23 lbs. After 4 weeks pct - (Nolva/ostarine/creatine ....no test booster) I had retained 100%, and about 90% percent strength on lifts. That.....that is badass. P.P. is definitely onto something, Im sure this next round will be badass. Primordial has a great vision, and their reps/ eric alike have been cool. I think V1 and 2 needed to be optimized in private though.......
 
results sound amazing.... but in all reality the very same compounds or ones comparable (converting to DHT ph's and bulk powders of 7oh, 11oxo abound) are found everywhere for MUCH cheaper just without the delivery method....

I can MEGA DOSE 4-AD right now from AMS and easily do so beyond that which the liquivade system can do for a third the cost of 1bottle of andromass....


I for one am VERY excited to see the new versions released.... something tells me all excitement will be dashed as it was with V1 when I saw that price point first mentioned in inside circles.... and keep me from ever trying it as it did with the v1-2 products

PALEASE lower the cost SOME.... and making the doses effective should be out of necessity to release a better/effective product, not to justify a rate hike.
 
Well we also have to keep in mind the androseries at that time was brand spanking new and the intro prices helped offset some of the startup costs.
 
Primordial Perf said:
If they are 50-100% stronger, what do you think is fair?
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Honestly since you asked, if you can still hit your margins and keep the price the same that would be a great service to your customers, If you cant , you cant . I have no idea what it might cost to manufacture tis stuff, and market it etc . But what I do know is right now its a bit pricey but with these improvements it seems it would be well worth paying what it costs now,I dont know thats my 2 cents.

also if you are still here is there any info on what compound is in androbulk?
 
Andro series is indeed the most tempting thing to try for a natural bb..
I've always thought *if* I'll ever try phs, one of the andro would be the one.

Quick question out of curiosity, I've seen AndroLean to be described the best for cutting,
but that doesn't really help with gains (lean or not),
for someone like me at 5% BF what would be fair to expect from a cycle of AndroHard in terms of lean gains?
If gains would've to be expected, how wet AH is?
 
prld2gr8ns said:
I could get behind this idea. Not sure if many people would or could purchase them if the cost increased.
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I would not purchase if cost increased. No offense, I mean I would really love to try them but I work hard for my money and I can't afford to be dropping several hundreds of dollars on a couple of of bottles when I could buy a couple weeks of groceries for that. I would find some way to get my grubby hands on them though :D I could maybe trade? Stupid student loans :(
 
Sourdough said:
results sound amazing.... but in all reality the very same compounds or ones comparable (converting to DHT ph's and bulk powders of 7oh, 11oxo abound) are found everywhere for MUCH cheaper just without the delivery method....

I can MEGA DOSE 4-AD right now from AMS and easily do so beyond that which the liquivade system can do for a third the cost of 1bottle of andromass....


I for one am VERY excited to see the new versions released.... something tells me all excitement will be dashed as it was with V1 when I saw that price point first mentioned in inside circles.... and keep me from ever trying it as it did with the v1-2 products

PALEASE lower the cost SOME.... and making the doses effective should be out of necessity to release a better/effective product, not to justify a rate hike.
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The raws on the products alone cost more than what AMS charges. It's not that we're jacking up the price; it's just expensive to manufacture.

fightbackhxc said:
I would not purchase if cost increased. No offense, I mean I would really love to try them but I work hard for my money and I can't afford to be dropping several hundreds of dollars on a couple of of bottles when I could buy a couple weeks of groceries for that. I would find some way to get my grubby hands on them though :D I could maybe trade? Stupid student loans :(
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I feel you on the student loans. I'm absolutely hoping that I get a TA position while I'm pursuing my Doctorate so I can not only get paid while studying, but it also pays 75% of tuition.
 
Rodja said:
The raws on the products alone cost more than what AMS charges. It's not that we're jacking up the price; it's just expensive to manufacture.



I feel you on the student loans. I'm absolutely hoping that I get a TA position while I'm pursuing my Doctorate so I can not only get paid while studying, but it also pays 75% of tuition.
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TA positions are always a good gig, are you guys going to do a payment option/pre release of androbulk?
 
Stuff looks GREAT, but price tag is going to make or break it for me. I cannot convince myself to spend an A$$ load on a bottle of pills when I could just jump the fence and get solid gear for less.

(I FIND MYSELF IN A QUANDARY)
 
Sourdough said:
I can MEGA DOSE 4-AD right now from AMS and easily do so beyond that which the liquivade system can do for a third the cost of 1bottle of andromass....
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You would need a serious amount of their 4-AD product to equal the same amount in ours, in fact it would cost you more
 
ryansm said:
You would need a serious amount of their 4-AD product to equal the same amount in ours, in fact it would cost you more
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Would be cool to see a comparison for some visual stimulation : 0 : 0 : 0
 
well I know what the label says... maybe its off, maybe its the combo of the 1-DHEA 4-DHEA.... but I have it from a solid and reputable unbiased member who has run both...

Double dose of AMS 4-AD(160mg daily cyclodextrin not included) was stronger/As strong as 10caps AM(supposedly 500mg liquivade)....

Now Im not hating here but the fact is this price point PP has set it absurd.... and its proven by their own willingness to throw out 40% discounts left and right... they are still making a notable profit at that price.

The fact is the price point is set and the claims are made cause some people WILL PAY for those claimed results..... just not everyone.

I think PP has the ability to DROP the price on this next set of products and should do so if they want to get back a large portion of their consumer base... the jump from $60 bucks(still high in comparison to other stuff on the market) for 1-t Tren to $200! for Andromass was a move that alienated a large amount of customers and regardless of the increased profit margins I promise Eric lost potential money with this move.

I am one of the most interested persons in this new line up... I will not make a purchase though unless the price is right, and I CAN get this stuff elsewhere for cheaper(cheapest AM available,$99 only if you buy 2.. otherwise $129w/shipping with 40%.... $99 gets me at least 3 bottles of AMS 4-AD, $129 easily 4 but prob 5, do the math) Why choose PP?

Again Im not bashing here... I love PP and respect its reps deeply(pm me, no homo, lol) but the price point is something i havent agreed on since it was first made mention of in inner circles...
 
Sourdough said:
well I know what the label says... maybe its off, maybe its the combo of the 1-DHEA 4-DHEA.... but I have it from a solid and reputable unbiased member who has run both...

Double dose of AMS 4-AD(160mg daily cyclodextrin not included) was stronger/As strong as 10caps AM(supposedly 500mg liquivade)....

Now Im not hating here but the fact is this price point PP has set it absurd.... and its proven by their own willingness to throw out 40% discounts left and right... they are still making a notable profit at that price.

The fact is the price point is set and the claims are made cause some people WILL PAY for those claimed results..... just not everyone.

I think PP has the ability to DROP the price on this next set of products and should do so if they want to get back a large portion of their consumer base... the jump from $60 bucks(still high in comparison to other stuff on the market) for 1-t Tren to $200! for Andromass was a move that alienated a large amount of customers and regardless of the increased profit margins I promise Eric lost potential money with this move.

I am one of the most interested persons in this new line up... I will not make a purchase though unless the price is right, and I CAN get this stuff elsewhere for cheaper(cheapest AM available,$99 only if you buy 2.. otherwise $129w/shipping with 40%.... $99 gets me at least 3 bottles of AMS 4-AD, $129 easily 4 but prob 5, do the math) Why choose PP?

Again Im not bashing here... I love PP and respect its reps deeply(pm me, no homo, lol) but the price point is something i havent agreed on since it was first made mention of in inner circles...
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It's a slightly different comparison. The ams products are basically sublingual to improve bioavailability. But most people are pretty clueless about sublingual products and just swallow them whole.
The pp products have enanthate esters attached, which likely drastically increases oral bioavailability so you don't have to mess with sublingual delivery. But it is also expensive to synthesize.

We estimate about 68% bioavailability with the sublingual tabs to the target hormone. Thankfully the ester isn't needed for effective sublingual delivery so it brings the cost way down.

What's surprising is that more people don't stack these as they have fairly different kinetic properties and would likely improve results. At the same time it would reduce the average cost of an androseries cycle.
 
I agree....

but the point still stands that the starting price should without a doubt still be 40% cheaper then it is....
 
Sourdough said:
I agree....

but the point still stands that the starting price should without a doubt still be 40% cheaper then it is....
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You have no idea what the raws for this cost. The raws alone for AM are over $50 and that's just for the hormones and doesn't include the LV, encapsulation, bottling, transportation, etc.
 
Rodja said:
You have no idea what the raws for this cost. The raws alone for AM are over $50 and that's just for the hormones and doesn't include the LV, encapsulation, bottling, transportation, etc.
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Speaking of transportation how are these shipped? I imagine a skid of Andromass sitting in a hot trailer is not the best way to transport sensitive hormones. Just interested because I work in transportation.
 
fightbackhxc said:
Speaking of transportation how are these shipped? I imagine a skid of Andromass sitting in a hot trailer is not the best way to transport sensitive hormones. Just interested because I work in transportation.
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Give me a little time. I'll relay this to Eric and get back to you.
 
Rodja said:
You have no idea what the raws for this cost. The raws alone for AM are over $50 and that's just for the hormones and doesn't include the LV, encapsulation, bottling, transportation, etc.
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heh... actually i DO.....

I know a LOT more then you think i do.

Either way im not trying to get in a pissing match with any reps Rodja. Im allowed to state my opinion on the price and state the FACTS. As a consumer i feel this entire line of products is absurdly over priced. even for the cost of raws and manufacturing... which i DO know the approx cost of cause I know for the same reason YOU know.

I asked anyways for reps to PM me... then maybe youll have a better understanding bro...

either way lets not start getting heated here. Im not attacking PP or its reps. I just have issues with erics decision to over inflate the profit margin, alienating customers and honestly costing himself more business.
 
im sure even YOU reps would agree it would be nicer to have a lower price point.
 
Sourdough said:
heh... actually i DO.....

I know a LOT more then you think i do.

Either way im not trying to get in a pissing match with any reps Rodja. Im allowed to state my opinion on the price and state the FACTS. As a consumer i feel this entire line of products is absurdly over priced. even for the cost of raws and manufacturing... which i DO know the approx cost of cause I know for the same reason YOU know.

I asked anyways for reps to PM me... then maybe youll have a better understanding bro...

either way lets not start getting heated here. Im not attacking PP or its reps. I just have issues with erics decision to over inflate the profit margin, alienating customers and honestly costing himself more business.
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Which facts have you stated outside of the MSRP? The profit margin is not inflated on any of the AndroSeries as the MSRP is always going to be higher than the retail price you can find at distributors (even though AM is currently and has been at wholesale prices for over a month). Since the launch, there has always been some form of discount available for the entire lineup ranging from 20%-40% and that has still not changed. You are clearly entitled to your opinion over the costs as everyone is, but to say we're overly inflating our profit margins is an attack on PP.
 
Isn't the phrase "overly inflating" an opinionated statement also?

Do we know what the price is going to be?
 
If I was PP I would sell it expensive too if people kept buying it....obviously people are so why drop the price? Business is business. Doesn't mean consumers have to purchase. In the end people will decide if it is worth the money.
 
fightbackhxc said:
If I was PP I would sell it expensive too if people kept buying it....obviously people are so why drop the price? Business is business. Doesn't mean consumers have to purchase. In the end people will decide if it is worth the money.
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i think this is the reason they do it... cause they can and people pay for it considering their solid marketing of the product....

Still doesnt change the fact that if the price point were lower to begin with (no silly discounts only acheiveable by.... EVERYONE...) that they would reclaim a large portion of the market that they left behind when they announced the V1 AndroSeries.

Im trying to make the point that if they are to even partially drop the price from where it stands NOW they would net an increase with MORE sales then before with higher prices.
 
Rodja said:
Which facts have you stated outside of the MSRP? The profit margin is not inflated on any of the AndroSeries as the MSRP is always going to be higher than the retail price you can find at distributors (even though AM is currently and has been at wholesale prices for over a month). Since the launch, there has always been some form of discount available for the entire lineup ranging from 20%-40% and that has still not changed. You are clearly entitled to your opinion over the costs as everyone is, but to say we're overly inflating our profit margins is an attack on PP.
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based on the consumers standpoint MSRP and Retail prices are exactly what matters and all the facts needed in my argument (the other fact stated is that the product is essentially over priced and can easily be lowered and still have a considerable profit margin).

I know since the launch there has been these discounts.... thats just my point! Matt was even giving me 50% discount offers up front since the start, it still wasnt economical Imo to take that! With this being the case why have the price so high at all? why alienate a large portion of the market not on the boards who will just look at the price, scoff, and a few clicks later spend their monies elsewhere on comparable products?

Its just an unwise move that has made PP's products unobtainable for 9/10 consumers.
 
I like this guys mentality
 

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LOL thats amazing.
 
If the product works better than v2 then I understand charging more, but if its just same story, new bottle then charging more is a crime...
PP has solid products and I'm willing to bet its gonna be good stuff... Besides a cycle of test e/c+AI+support supps runs me $400-600...if V3 doesn't require AI or supports and is $200-300 and works half as good as test, then its worth half the cost of a real cycle...
Time and all the testing guinea pigs will show me all I need to know!
 
BigGunn said:
Eric, when do you anticipate the hammer coming down from the "you know who" or if their hands truly are tied then I wonder how long before some freaking genius we elected gets enough of his colleagues to create a bill that bans dhea and it's derivatives.....and anything else that looks or smells "hormonal"?

Because here is the problem, your stuff works. I am giving you $100 instead of Abbott $300 for their Androgel. How long until Abbotts lobbyists get a hold of legislatures and convince them that your products are evil and we need to protect "our teens" from them.

And last question, what if anything are you doing or can you do to prevent teens from getting a hold of your Androseries products?

I honestly want the stuff to stick around for my own selfish reasons!
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It's not like 'teenagers abusing designer steroids' is a myth. It's quite common and VERY known. I debate with myself sometimes whether or not I think the designers should be banned or not, but it's only the selfish part of me that wants to keep them around.
 
pillsRgood said:
If the product works better than v2 then I understand charging more, but if its just same story, new bottle then charging more is a crime...
PP has solid products and I'm willing to bet its gonna be good stuff... Besides a cycle of test e/c+AI+support supps runs me $400-600...if V3 doesn't require AI or supports and is $200-300 and works half as good as test, then its worth half the cost of a real cycle...
Time and all the testing guinea pigs will show me all I need to know!
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Thank you for stating that. Guys that spew the test price comments must have never priced out a test cycle. Kicker+test+AI+supports+syringes+pins+PCT+(The have on hand category of supps) you can easily hit that upper price range very easily, and that is also with the legal risk.
 
HereToStudy said:
Thank you for stating that. Guys that spew the test price comments must have never priced out a test cycle. Kicker+test+AI+supports+syringes+pins+PCT+(The have on hand category of supps) you can easily hit that upper price range very easily, and that is also with the legal risk.
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I would have minimal concern about the legality of it.....seems easy as pie to get. I have been offered several cycles on forums by reputable members I could have gotten for less than 200. just saying legality shouldnt be too big of a worry.

I am more worried about sticking myself :( I dunno if i could do it haha
 
Force of Green said:
Are you suggesting that he up the price 25%-50% more?
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That's what he was insinuating, that it should cost more...

Honesty I think that of they lowered the price they would make more profit because even though the profit margin would be lower, the additional volume of sales from the products being more affordable.
 
fightbackhxc said:
I would have minimal concern about the legality of it.....seems easy as pie to get. I have been offered several cycles on forums by reputable members I could have gotten for less than 200. just saying legality shouldnt be too big of a worry.

I am more worried about sticking myself :( I dunno if i could do it haha
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You can pin yourself! It's easier than you think :P I got so into pinning myself that I do peptides now, because I stopped doing gear and PHs. Trust me, you will really enjoy it if you just relax and do it.
 
BigRigg said:
That's what he was insinuating, that it should cost more...

Honesty I think that of they lowered the price they would make more profit because even though the profit margin would be lower, the additional volume of sales from the products being more affordable.
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You're right! A lot more people will buy the product and spread consumer positive feedback, therefore PP will have more money to buy a higher volume of raws at a cheaper price and eventually they will reach the target profit numbers, hopefully sooner than later. ;)
 
Force of Green said:
You're right! A lot more people will buy the product and spread consumer positive feedback, therefore PP will have more money to buy a higher volume of raws at a cheaper price and eventually they will reach the target profit numbers, hopefully sooner than later. ;)
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I have not had my account active and some of my mail functions are messed up. My regular email is forceofgreen at gmail dot com. Definitely hit me up. I have facebook also. Just search for Kyle Anthony Petillo. Yes, that's my full name.
 
Force of Green said:
I have not had my account active and some of my mail functions are messed up. My regular email is forceofgreen at gmail dot com. Definitely hit me up. I have facebook also. Just search for Kyle Anthony Petillo. Yes, that's my full name.
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I'll shoot you an email when I get back to the casa. Hard to do form work!
 
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