Andromass

[ryansm]

even prolactin? AND its cheaper! woo hoo!


EDIT: nevermind found it in your link

Yup

 

[rulk22]

while your here rulk22, Which andro product do you think would be better to run with a Tren Xtreme 19-nor product? I am looking to avoid libido/erection loss and i also guess prolactin but I think with p5p, L-dopa, and maybe vitex on hand should do okay. the ACL Tren Xtreme says to do 90mg for 4 weeks but i was planning on getting my feet wet with 30/60/60/60 and stacking it with androseries.

Ryansm's post says it all. Just fyi our buy one get one sale is still goin on and Androlean and Androhard are down to a couple hundred bottles each.

AndroHard
"1. Your naturally occurring 5a-reduced metabolites are your friends in preventing and reversing gyno. 5a-reduced metabolites include androsterone, androstanedione, androstanediol and dihydrotestosterone (DHT) as the most powerful 5a-reduced hormone. These hormones help prevent gyno by lowering estrogen and blocking the effect of estrogen at the hormone receptor. (1-8) Unless you have serious androgen related hair loss you want to keep your 5a-reduced metabolites relatively high to avoid gyno." http://www.primordialperformance.com/blog/articles/endocrinology-articles-steroids-gyno/16-ways-to-fight-gynecomastia.html

Thanks Big R ; )

 

[bigwhiteguy29]

Ryansm's post says it all. Just fyi our buy one get one sale is still goin on and Androlean and Androhard are down to a couple hundred bottles each.

Thanks Big R ; )

Thanks but but I think ill stick with just the androhard. maybe andromass next winter!

btw are you going going to come out with any AI's. Erase seems to be selling quite well. I know the Form wont last forever : )

 

[rulk22]

Thanks but but I think ill stick with just the androhard. maybe andromass next winter!

btw are you going going to come out with any AI's. Erase seems to be selling quite well. I know the Form wont last forever : )

That is a good question and with Eric coming up with new stuff all the time it could be a possibility. Otherwise Sustain Alpha's optimal estrogen balancing benefits will suffice for now.

 

[HereToStudy]

Thanks but but I think ill stick with just the androhard. maybe andromass next winter!

btw are you going going to come out with any AI's. Erase seems to be selling quite well. I know the Form wont last forever : )

Depends when the AI would be needed. If you are strictly looking to lower estrogen, while "on", you could use AndroHard, which can work very similarly to an AI in reducing estrogen.

 

[ryansm]

Depends when the AI would be needed. If you are strictly looking to lower estrogen, while "on", you could use AndroHard, which can work very similarly to an AI in reducing estrogen.

I agree AH works perfect for this

 

[Rodja]

I'd save the Form and stack it with AH for a nice recomp cycle.

 

[BigBlackGuy]

Thanks but but I think ill stick with just the androhard. maybe andromass next winter!

btw are you going going to come out with any AI's. Erase seems to be selling quite well. I know the Form wont last forever : )

Keep looking out for the Alphaseries... not for awhile, but something down the natty alleyway.

 

[bigwhiteguy29]

Keep looking out for the Alphaseries... not for awhile, but something down the natty alleyway.

it would be a dream come true to come out with something that 100% replaced clomid, nolva, torem that was legal. dont get me wrong your TRS TCF1 stack has an amazing rep on here but to have something be a replacement.

 

[BigBlackGuy]

it would be a dream come true to come out with something that 100% replaced clomid, nolva, torem that was legal. dont get me wrong your TRS TCF1 stack has an amazing rep on here but to have something be a replacement.

I agree 100%! Eric is always innovating, we reps have limited info on what's coming next after the androseries updates.

But in the meantime, Dermacrine is back

 

[Rodja]

Derm is back, but only for a small run of 500 bottles.

 

[rulk22]

Derm is back, but only for a small run of 500 bottles.

Im picking up 2, maybe even 4 bottles of Dermacrine. I gotta take the legend out for a spin.

Also our buy one get one free sale is still on. Androhard and Androlean are down to the last couple hundred bottles or less.

 

[rulk22]

Heads up on the bogo sale, Andromass is sold out.

 

[HereToStudy]

Heads up on the bogo sale, Andromass is sold out.

Hard and Lean surely to follow. Im really deciding hard if I want to grab some Dermacrine. Too many good reviews on that product.

 

[ryansm]

Hard and Lean surely to follow. Im really deciding hard if I want to grab some Dermacrine. Too many good reviews on that product.

You never ran it? Get some and add it to your AH

 

[bigwhiteguy29]

I know nothing about it, can you tell me a pretty good overview of it and what to expect and positives? Please dont copy and paste an article.

 

[Rodja]

This should help:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/primordial-performance/127162-primordial-performances-dermacrine.html

 

[HereToStudy]

I know nothing about it, can you tell me a pretty good overview of it and what to expect and positives? Please dont copy and paste an article.

Mild test base that can be used by itself for a mild cycle with easy pct, or as an addition to a hormonal cycle to combat lethargy/loss of libido.

 

[bigwhiteguy29]

thanks a simple write up haha, hmm ive been curious about the libido aspect as that being the main reason ive been throwing around the Tren stuff on this thread lately. I have two bottles i paid a lot of money for back in the day and never used them. How wold a Androhard, Dermacrine, tren xtreme cycle sound? 3 non methyls? how would libido be?

 

[ryansm]

Great stuff and perfect for all ph cycles

 

[HereToStudy]

Libido *should* be good, Derm + Hard both are known to cause increased libido, however it really comes down to how you react to tren.

 

[bigwhiteguy29]

damn wish i could get some pure test. i dont trust anyone though. i think i am going to give that a shot, also will be doing low dose tren so i think i will be okay. if not shoot gotta order some cialis lol!

 

[ryansm]

damn wish i could get some pure test. i dont trust anyone though. i think i am going to give that a shot, also will be doing low dose tren so i think i will be okay. if not shoot gotta order some cialis lol!

Love to hear feedback on it when you start bud

 

[uubiduu]

by the way how are serum test levels looking on an andromass cycle or the other DHEA derivates that are on the market today? are there any numbers available?

 

[BigBlackGuy]

by the way how are serum test levels looking on an andromass cycle or the other DHEA derivates that are on the market today? are there any numbers available?

In terms of Total Test or Total Hormones during the run? The conversion to testosterone will be minimal, most of the effects are derived from the second hormones in the cascade (4-dhea to 4-ad AND 1-dhea to 1-ad). Although they do convert to test/1-test respectively, I have a feelling on a blood test it would show up low, assuming suppression is occurring (and it will.)

 

[uubiduu]

In terms of Total Test or Total Hormones during the run? The conversion to testosterone will be minimal, most of the effects are derived from the second hormones in the cascade (4-dhea to 4-ad AND 1-dhea to 1-ad). Although they do convert to test/1-test respectively, I have a feelling on a blood test it would show up low, assuming suppression is occurring (and it will.)

interesting...this means it is not the test by itself that causes the anabolic effects of the ANDRO series? how can andromass then be compared to a certain amount of test as i read it somewhere on your homepage? are 4-ad and 1-ad the anabolic compounds that will show the strength/mass increase? would like to learn much more about that

 

[Rodja]

interesting...this means it is not the test by itself that causes the anabolic effects of the ANDRO series? how can andromass then be compared to a certain amount of test as i read it somewhere on your homepage? are 4-ad and 1-ad the anabolic compounds that will show the strength/mass increase? would like to learn much more about that

It got a bit misleading, but biological equivalent meant in terms of anabolic effects, not actual test levels equal to a certain dose of injectable test. Yes, it is the 4-DHEA and 1-DHEA that are the anabolic compounds along with their parent hormones (test and 1-test, respectively). One thing to remember is that both 4-AD and 1-AD have their own intrinsic anabolic effects as well.

 

[HereToStudy]

It got a bit misleading, but biological equivalent meant in terms of anabolic effects, not actual test levels equal to a certain dose of injectable test. Yes, it is the 4-DHEA and 1-DHEA that are the anabolic compounds along with their parent hormones (test and 1-test, respectively). One thing to remember is that both 4-AD and 1-AD have their own intrinsic anabolic effects as well.

Yep, you are looking at the sum of total activity through each step of the conversion process.

 

[Rodja]

Yep, you are looking at the sum of total activity through each step of the conversion process.

It's definitely a long, intricate process that will fly over the head of 99% of people.

 

[BigBlackGuy]

Mild test base that can be used by itself for a mild cycle with easy pct, or as an addition to a hormonal cycle to combat lethargy/loss of libido.

I loved dermacrine solo, it wasn't much more for packing on lean mass, but for mild fat loss and insane energy in the gym it really helped.

 

[ryansm]

I loved dermacrine solo, it wasn't much more for packing on lean mass, but for mild fat loss and insane energy in the gym it really helped.

It's the feel good supplement, but I have a suspicion that AndroDrive will be the new king in this department.

 

[HereToStudy]

It's the feel good supplement, but I have a suspicion that AndroDrive will be the new king in this department.

Very much looking forward to it

 

[BigBlackGuy]

I think that's one where we need to give out some logs/samples as it'll be felt a bit more immediately than the other products (obviously 1-2 weeks minimum for a PH/AAS to really show something). We'll see though.

 

[Rodja]

I think that's one where we need to give out some logs/samples as it'll be felt a bit more immediately than the other products (obviously 1-2 weeks minimum for a PH/AAS to really show something). We'll see though.

I'm hoping to get some samples of it to give it a trial run.

 

[BigBlackGuy]

interesting...this means it is not the test by itself that causes the anabolic effects of the ANDRO series? how can andromass then be compared to a certain amount of test as i read it somewhere on your homepage? are 4-ad and 1-ad the anabolic compounds that will show the strength/mass increase? would like to learn much more about that

The effects do seem to be similiar with the precursor 1-dhea and 1-ad, as they are with 1-test. Recomp effects while bulking, but also some lethargy and libido loss. It just takes a higher dose of the precursors to get the same effects.

 

[oufinny]

It's the feel good supplement, but I have a suspicion that AndroDrive will be the new king in this department.

AndroDrive, did I miss something?

 

[Rodja]

AndroDrive, did I miss something?

Yes, you did. It's been described by Eric as a more neuro-active version of Dermacrine.

 

[mattrag]

Yes, you did. It's been described by Eric as a more neuro-active version of Dermacrine.

Sounds good. I cant wait!
Is the pct protocol similar to dermacrine?

 

[oufinny]

Yes, you did. It's been described by Eric as a more neuro-active version of Dermacrine.

I like the sound of this, is it topical or oral? sorry, if there is a thread point me there so I don't have you repeat yourself.

 

[Rodja]

Sounds good. I cant wait!
Is the pct protocol similar to dermacrine?

I'm not 100% sure, but I would assume so.

I like the sound of this, is it topical or oral? sorry, if there is a thread point me there so I don't have you repeat yourself.

It's oral.

 

[HereToStudy]

I like the sound of this, is it topical or oral? sorry, if there is a thread point me there so I don't have you repeat yourself.

Very little has been said so there is no official thread. Look for it closer to release date.

 

[bigwhiteguy29]

What kinda PCT would you use for Derm?

 

[Rodja]

What kinda PCT would you use for Derm?

A very light one. Just using Sustain Alpha and TCF-1 would be plenty.

 

[bigwhiteguy29]

sounds like a great product. I dont think I was as active on here when it was around more. Sounds good in a stack or maybe if you are the kinda guy who does 1-2 cycles a year throw that in the middle of them instead of a natty testbooster. I usually only do 1 cycle a year pretty much. Lots of planning and trying to stay as natural as possible. Also it gets expenisve when you go all out on every protocol. I think I will pick two up. Its only available on PP's site? Also why isnt it around? Did PP recieve some heat for it? Or are the raws harder to get?

 

[BigBlackGuy]

sounds like a great product. I dont think I was as active on here when it was around more. Sounds good in a stack or maybe if you are the kinda guy who does 1-2 cycles a year throw that in the middle of them instead of a natty testbooster. I usually only do 1 cycle a year pretty much. Lots of planning and trying to stay as natural as possible. Also it gets expenisve when you go all out on every protocol. I think I will pick two up. Its only available on PP's site? Also why isnt it around? Did PP recieve some heat for it? Or are the raws harder to get?

We discontinued dermacrine to make way for our new products. It's also a matter of legality, where transdermals can fall in the grey area of DSHEA compliance, we want to make sure people using our products are covered under the law (also, to make sure we are).

 

[ryansm]

Ya Dermacrine is a great product, but the AndroSeries is a step up and AndroDrive will be a better version

 

[Rodja]

Eric has said that AndroDrive is a more neuro-active version of Dermacrine.

 

[HereToStudy]

Eric has said that AndroDrive is a more neuro-active version of Dermacrine.

Can't wait for this.

 

[rulk22]

We discontinued dermacrine to make way for our new products. It's also a matter of legality, where transdermals can fall in the grey area of DSHEA compliance, we want to make sure people using our products are covered under the law (also, to make sure we are).

Good point.

Ya Dermacrine is a great product, but the AndroSeries is a step up and AndroDrive will be a better version

Gotta love a company that strives to improve products even when they do really well already.

 

[Rodja]

Good point. Gotta love a company that strives to improve products even when they do really well already.

Especially one that doesn't just rip off existing products