Yep, even "mildly" suppressive can be damaging to a PCT. Save it for cycle.that was my original thinking - just wasn't sure how suppresive androhard would be, may just stack it in my next PH cycle come early spring.
We don't advise it, if you want to see how it worked out for someone there was a log over at PP in which someone used it in PCTthat was my original thinking - just wasn't sure how suppresive androhard would be, may just stack it in my next PH cycle come early spring.
I know burly does there as well, but we have to remember that he is low T already, so it is less of a concernWe don't advise it, if you want to see how it worked out for someone there was a log over at PP in which someone used it in PCT
You have to consider the advantage of a low-dosed hormone in PCT. It will be suppressive, to what extent who knows it will vary person to person anyway. The real question is will that suppression allow you to retain gains whilst recovering? And are those gains kept any better than a proper vigorous PCT? Most likely not and most likely not worth it, so why even bother? The other option is just staying on and blasting and cruising.Thanks for the input - just helped me reaffirm what I already knew to do - "the right thing" so to speak....
You have to consider the advantage of a low-dosed hormone in PCT. It will be suppressive, to what extent who knows it will vary person to person anyway. The real question is will that suppression allow you to retain gains whilst recovering? And are those gains kept any better than a proper vigorous PCT? Most likely not and most likely not worth it, so why even bother? The other option is just staying on and blasting and cruising.
That is bridging or cruising so pct should not be in the same sentence.
Thats when you start getting 'cute' with hormones...obsessed if you will.
"maybe I'll use proviron during pct....wait, maybe just morning dose dbol"
"well i might try that pulsing idea pre-workout to preserve gains"
"AndroSeries is mild so I can use them as a bridge while still keeping hpta function signaling"
Once these questions enter your brain --- you are now slowly becoming consumed by bodybuilding/and/or physique enhancement.
-Matt
such is the obsessive nature in the mind of the physique enhancercan we term this "the slow descent into MADNESS" ???
so if this is "the slow descent into MADNESS" - is there anyway off the bus???
Popular one is Trenazone and AndroHardStarting PCT Friday - added 9 "good" pounds on this PMag cycle...very satisfied. Hoping Nolva and DAA will help me retain majority of gains...
Probably run another cycle february/march time frame - was thinking of going Non-Methyl, any ideas on a good non-methyl stack would be appreciated.
Popular one is Trenazone and AndroHard
Weeks 1-6 Trenazone
Weeks 1-8 AH
No need for liver support, something for lipids with the Trenazone is a good idea and yes I would recommend a "typical" PCT. If you are trying to avoid all of that AM+AE or just AM solo is a great option as wellFor a trenazone/AH cylce - would you run all your typical cycle support supplements along with the typical PCT with a SERM?
I think it will suit you well.I dont mind the full blown PCT - just looking for a less methyl cycle for my next one - looks like tren/AH may be the route I go.
Have you ran proviron before? Just wondering if you can compare it to AH...glad you are liking it budI'm running tren ace and AH, it's awesome. Test too. Think my next cycle I'm going to run provion at 100mg. But I got to say the AH is crazy good.
Bump, hope you get some feedback.Any results to share with so far on your tren/ah cycle? Very curious to know.
Got me excited for the winter.
I do as well, as you know I got down on myself a bit when I had lost weight, caused me to lose focus/drive/etc...Getting myself back into the lifestyle has been a blessing. I feel better/stronger, and more confident. Weight still not back up there, but a focus on symmetry and being lean is being preferred by me. I am looking forward to taking it to the next level.You seem pretty focused and ready to do battle so I bet you will get the results you are after-Matt
I battle with this in terms of losing weight, let's face it I'm no bb'er and I feel strongest when I am +12% BF and its a love/hate relationship. I love staying somewhat strong (relative) but I want to drop the fat...I need to get better at dieting...or maybe I just need some tren :yup:I do as well, as you know I got down on myself a bit when I had lost weight, caused me to lose focus/drive/etc...Getting myself back into the lifestyle has been a blessing. I feel better/stronger, and more confident. Weight still not back up there, but a focus on symmetry and being lean is being preferred by me. I am looking forward to taking it to the next level.
Haha, I hear you.I battle with this in terms of losing weight, let's face it I'm no bb'er and I feel strongest when I am +12% BF and its a love/hate relationship. I love staying somewhat strong (relative) but I want to drop the fat...I need to get better at dieting...or maybe I just need some tren :yup:
ryansm said:I battle with this in terms of losing weight, let's face it I'm no bb'er and I feel strongest when I am +12% BF and its a love/hate relationship. I love staying somewhat strong (relative) but I want to drop the fat...I need to get better at dieting...or maybe I just need some tren :yup:
Trenbolone1 said:Oh man tren is the shizzle! On 525mg a week and 300mg of test ... only one week in and the trens got me looking leaner and better than in my avitar!
It is great. Just wish I could sleep when on it!
MattPorter said:This is true --- I am thinking sustain alpha Gel could be a very appropriate stack with trenbolone...
-Matt
MattPorter said:This is true --- I am thinking sustain alpha Gel could be a very appropriate stack with trenbolone...
-Matt
steak taco said:Someone give this a try??? I've taken tren twice and only bad side I had was real bad insomnia. So bad I was planning to never run tren again.
technique88 said:I have a feeling that night sweats and insomnia are going to be the sides I will be dealing with.
steak taco said:Hopefully you don't. Nothing fun about waiting for grocery store to open at 6 am so you can go by meat that's on sale because you've been up since 2 am and you're going stir crazy!
Not on tren but SA definitely calms me down similar to a mild benzo doseSomeone give this a try??? I've taken tren twice and only bad side I had was real bad insomnia. So bad I was planning to never run tren again.
How come? I am already going to use androhard with my tren cycle, it's going to be more on an "ancillary" than result producing. How would sustain alpha help on tren?
I can't handle the sides...sucksOh man tren is the shizzle! On 525mg a week and 300mg of test ... only one week in and the trens got me looking leaner and better than in my avitar!
HereToStudy said:Tren has always been interesting to me. Some guys feel amazing on it, others hate it.
Smart move, it's nice to have some newer options these daysI am really trying to avoid caber and other harsh ancillaries.
ryansm said:Smart move, it's nice to have some newer options these days
Glad to hear it. I actually have to start slowly ordering supplies for my next run as well. Seems far off, but time flies.I'd rather use of steroids as ancillaries then research chem drugs, gains will be much better and I feel like up are preventing the sides by balancing yourself opposed to treating side effects.
Thus far, the Androseries has been in every cycle I've ran so far lol and now my up coming cycle.
HereToStudy said:Glad to hear it. I actually have to start slowly ordering supplies for my next run as well. Seems far off, but time flies.