ANDROGIN new Black lion Research ANABOLIC is here.

barische said:
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A website stated "Effect on fertility - Experiments show that its flavonoids have estrogen-like effects. It also seems to have a protective role in human sperm; it’s androgen-like action can protect the reproductive organs of male animals, promote the testicular development and the production of testosterone, and prevent the spermatogenic cell from oxidative damage and apoptosis"

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couldnt find much more - nevermind for putting the cart before the horse...
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Interestingly lots of things that are estrogenic raise testosterone levels. CLomid is technically a synthetic type of estrogen and its a great fertility agent. Maybe it has SERM like activity.
 
BeardedBreast said:
As I'm gh spiking with intermittent fasting is was wondering if I should treat it with my peptides fasted.

Saw tracking this morning, I start Monday
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Fasted with peptides is I think the best option presently. This may change over time as people take and we see response but for now this is my best estimate. Utilize on empty stomach to take advantage of the GHRP like actions.
 
brundel said:
Fasted with peptides is I think the best option presently. This may change over time as people take and we see response but for now this is my best estimate. Utilize on empty stomach to take advantage of the GHRP like actions.
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how long after taking on empty stomach (first thing in morning) should one eat?
 
just about all of the sale orders have been processed and either have shipped or will ship this afternoon.
 
brundel said:
just about all of the sale orders have been processed and either have shipped or will ship this afternoon.
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Random, but what was your single largest order? someone go all in and pick up a years worth of Androgin or more?
 
schizm said:
Random, but what was your single largest order? someone go all in and pick up a years worth of Androgin or more?
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48........
24
lots of 6 and 8

If this were our first launch or we had a history of poor products I think people would be leery but we have a 10 years history with some pretty heavy hitters. Im excited because I know whats in store for you guys.
Pretty proud of this one. Its not everyday we find a novel sports nutrition supp that acts as a SARM and a GH secretagogue.
Oh wait....we never have. :)
 
I typically have a protein water with my Celsius and BCAAs and then head to the gym. After workout I have my protein shake. Is that considered having on an 'empty stomach'?
 
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"Well if it's on muddafacka then it's on G"

Shot Out to Brundel that I didn't get an empty box with back hairs, turns out these seem to be real. Now of course they could of filled the caps with sawdust.
 
TommyTuffGuy said:
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"Well if it's on muddafacka then it's on G"

Shot Out to Brundel that I didn't get an empty box with back hairs, turns out these seem to be real. Now of course they could of filled the caps with sawdust.
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Did you got gain only from holding the bottles?
 
cdnbum88 said:
I typically have a protein water with my Celsius and BCAAs and then head to the gym. After workout I have my protein shake. Is that considered having on an 'empty stomach'?
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That definitely wouldn’t be an empty stomach. I tend to think of “empty stomach” as at least two hours post meal or anything that spikes insulin.

I imagine brundel may have a more specific response that refers to his product though.
 
cdnbum88 said:
I typically have a protein water with my Celsius and BCAAs and then head to the gym. After workout I have my protein shake. Is that considered having on an 'empty stomach'?
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Not an empty stomach. Is better than after a meal but the goal is to have no insulin spike as this will turn off the GH spike.
 
@brundel

I plan on running this for 12 weeks alongside bmp and myosynergy but myosynergy won’t arrive until the end of the month. How long can Androgin be run before needing a break? It arrived today and I’m tempted to start it lol
 
anthon88 said:
@brundel

I plan on running this for 12 weeks alongside bmp and myosynergy but myosynergy won’t arrive until the end of the month. How long can Androgin be run before needing a break? It arrived today and I’m tempted to start it lol
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I dont see (presently) a reason to cycle it except perhaps to give the androgen receptors a break.
I also think that if you are going to stack them it makes more sense to start epicatechin after a month or even longer because as anabolism rises there is generally a concurrent rise in myostatin. Epicatechin will blunt this increase in myostatin.
 
What do you guys think of the new packaging?
Murdered out bottles, matte black labels with spot UV and citrus caps.
 
brundel said:
I dont see (presently) a reason to cycle it except perhaps to give the androgen receptors a break.
I also think that if you are going to stack them it makes more sense to start epicatechin after a month or even longer because as anabolism rises there is generally a concurrent rise in myostatin. Epicatechin will blunt this increase in myostatin.
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So it would be best to drop Follidrone until around a month of Androgin?
 
Sorry @brundel , or anyone else in the know, but I'm just starting a 'PCT' (for want of a term) of PR-XT, Nolvadren XT and Rebirth, after a Dermacrine run.
Would it be cool to add Androgin into this stack or would you hold off until finished the aforementioned stack?
 
brundel said:
Not an empty stomach. Is better than after a meal but the goal is to have no insulin spike as this will turn off the GH spike.
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the more i look for dosing to take advantage of GH spiking benefit of Androgin, i just get frustrated. I think i will just not worry about the GH spike aspect, because and empty stomach twice a day is near impossible when you are eating 6 times a day. From what i have read so far its best on empty stomach which means insulin is no longer present, so anywhere from 1 hour to 1 hour and 30 minutes after a meal. Then if you dose, no more eating for another 1 hour. That is hard to make happen twice per day.
 
First thing in the morning is easy. Dose, then wait an hour to eat. The rest of the day is harder for sure, haha.
 
chainsaw said:
the more i look for dosing to take advantage of GH spiking benefit of Androgin, i just get frustrated. I think i will just not worry about the GH spike aspect, because and empty stomach twice a day is near impossible when you are eating 6 times a day. From what i have read so far its best on empty stomach which means insulin is no longer present, so anywhere from 1 hour to 1 hour and 30 minutes after a meal. Then if you dose, no more eating for another 1 hour. That is hard to make happen twice per day.
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if you eat 6x daily your not gonna really ever be in a fasted state so just take it when you can itll still work well.
 
Malbranque said:
Sorry @brundel , or anyone else in the know, but I'm just starting a 'PCT' (for want of a term) of PR-XT, Nolvadren XT and Rebirth, after a Dermacrine run.
Would it be cool to add Androgin into this stack or would you hold off until finished the aforementioned stack?
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I think for now I would suggest waiting. There are studies showing RB1 and others can increase Lutenizing hormone and others that show a block of the negative feedback loop that causes suppression but for now we just need to wait and see.
It is possible this will help prevent suppression of testosterone levels on cycle but I just dont have enough data to go off of.
 
brundel said:
I think for now I would suggest waiting. There are studies showing RB1 and others can increase Lutenizing hormone and others that show a block of the negative feedback loop that causes suppression but for now we just need to wait and see.
It is possible this will help prevent suppression of testosterone levels on cycle but I just dont have enough data to go off of.
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So it shouldn't be used during PCT? That was my plan, yet fasted.
 
TommyTuffGuy said:
Small update on Androgin.

Noticing WAY better sleep, 3 days in. Could this be in my head or would this contribute?
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Definitely noticing this as well! Sleep has been great since starting a few days ago. I’m taking second dose around 1.5 to 2 hours after last meal.
 
B1LL1ST1C said:
Definitely noticing this as well! Sleep has been great since starting a few days ago. I’m taking second dose around 1.5 to 2 hours after last meal.
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Same.

I want to preface this by saying Androgin does NOT make me tired. (I wouldn't be able to use this if it did) it just appears when I do get to sleep I'm sleeping almost through the night and waking up refreshed and not groggy.
 
TommyTuffGuy said:
Same.

I want to preface this by saying Androgin does NOT make me tired. (I wouldn't be able to use this if it did) it just appears when I do get to sleep I'm sleeping almost through the night and waking up refreshed and not groggy.
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Literally the same for me. It’s like it doesn’t make you tired or groggy at all but when you do go to sleep you sleep great. I seem to be waking less in the middle of the night too which is a plus.
 
I just started taking this; in my experience about an hr and half to 2 hrs of taking 1 capsule I do get somewhat tired. Not like to the point where I want to pass out but I do get tired to the point where its kind of hard to workout even with caffeine, I would say the tiredness is similar to GH or MK677. Is there anyway I can just take 2 caps in the afternoon or before bed? I use to do this with LGD because I would literally be kind of lethargic after an hour dosing so I took it post workout or before bed which worked out pretty good.
 
BeardedBreast said:
So it shouldn't be used during PCT? That was my plan, yet fasted.
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I am relatively confident it will not be suppressive. It may in fact help keep test levels up on cycle. But this is just going off of studies and we need more feedback before suggesting it be used this way.
For now, I think its safe to say no suppression but we should wait before relying on it to raise test levels.
 
50Magnum said:
I just started taking this; in my experience about an hr and half to 2 hrs of taking 1 capsule I do get somewhat tired. Not like to the point where I want to pass out but I do get tired to the point where its kind of hard to workout even with caffeine, I would say the tiredness is similar to GH or MK677. Is there anyway I can just take 2 caps in the afternoon or before bed? I use to do this with LGD because I would literally be kind of lethargic after an hour dosing so I took it post workout or before bed which worked out pretty good.
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You can of course do this. The dosing suggestions are just guidelines based off of data collected during testing. Generally we like to keep levels of anabolics stable but it will fornsure still work.
 
I'll be able to quantify the sleep aspect once I start with my oura ring. Will post results as it relates to sleep quality
 
ironkill said:
I'll be able to quantify the sleep aspect once I start with my oura ring. Will post results as it relates to sleep quality
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That would be interesting to see the data.

Its good that some are starting to see the first effects of elevated gh levels.

Wait till the effects of it binding to the androgen receptor start to show.
For me personally the strength increases has been pretty significant and weight is steadily rising.
 
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