Androfactory's products vs. primordial performaces

R1balla said:
i mean, not even for the andro stuff. Toco 8 was the shizzz along with sustain alpha.
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Androfactory includes toco in every one of their products. It's good stuff.

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I myself have seen better results from Omega T-Force in terms of libido.

R1balla said:
this is just my personal opinion, but after seeing logs on AF products and running PP V3 series myself, if i choose to take a PH, im just going to use something like low dose PH that isnt very toxic and only 4 weeks. with these products (both AF and PP), you need to run at 8 weeks. i know some people "see" great gains within 4 weeks, but i have many dedicated friends who have used AF and PP products both before and 8 weeks is a must. They also seem to be hit or miss with people.
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Are any of them members here?

I'd love to see some logs or at least some reviews here.
 
Wasn't point any fingers, but I do suggest if it is a random person trying to undermine you guys, simply ask an admin for the posters IP address so they can find their other identities that they might use more, then send them a polite PM to ask them to stop. :D

Anyway, back on topic, whats in the pipeline for non-hormonals? This has got my interest.
 
Jiigzz said:
Wasn't point any fingers, but I do suggest if it is a random person trying to undermine you guys, simply ask an admin for the posters IP address so they can find their other identities that they might use more, then send them a polite PM to ask them to stop. :D

Anyway, back on topic, whats in the pipeline for non-hormonals? This has got my interest.
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Non-hormonals have my interest too and I recently inquired with the boss but no time frame due to the push on the newer hormonals....but as I mentioned above...a Topical Sustain Alpha replacement, whether it be from androfactory or somebody else would certainly be in someone's best interest!!
 
I don't think we will be going the transdermal route but there should be some more talk about natural products one we can get Muscle Up out.
Oh the excitement!!!
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
Androfactory includes toco in every one of their products. It's good stuff.

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I myself have seen better results from Omega T-Force in terms of libido.

Are any of them members here?

I'd love to see some logs or at least some reviews here.
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I Gainesd twenty two pounds on andromass at eight weeks
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
Androfactory includes toco in every one of their products. It's good stuff.

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I myself have seen better results from Omega T-Force in terms of libido.


Are any of them members here?

I'd love to see some logs or at least some reviews here.
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other than @Invalid Link Removed , none of my friends post on any forum. But I have seen there progress/results myself.

and IMO, a log with PH type products really doesnt mean that much. even with before/after pictures, we have no clue what else they are using.
 
also, i really enjoy taking toco 8 six months out of the year or so. loved it when it was available as a solo product.
 
It just seems expensive. You see companies moving millions of PHS because its affordable. All i see happening, is more game players joining this market which is better for consumers. :)
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
I don't think we will be going the transdermal route but there should be some more talk about natural products one we can get Muscle Up out.
Oh the excitement!!!
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Y'all need to focus on selling a full 30 days supply and get the price down to something realistic; I don't buy the BS about how esterfied DHEA isomers are so expensive when their equivalents can be had for so little on their own. I tried the PP V3 stuff, it was marginal at best and a low dose of masteron made AndroHard seem like a placebo. Many look at this as an alternative to real gear but I see it as a lot of money for minimal results. Sorry, someone has to call it like its seen.
 
oufinny said:
Y'all need to focus on selling a full 30 days supply and get the price down to something realistic; I don't buy the BS about how esterfied DHEA isomers are so expensive when their equivalents can be had for so little on their own. I tried the PP V3 stuff, it was marginal at best and a low dose of masteron made AndroHard seem like a placebo. Many look at this as an alternative to real gear but I see it as a lot of money for minimal results. Sorry, someone has to call it like its seen.
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Freedom of choice.
I like the stuff.

I will make zero dollars profit wether you try it or not.

I agree the price seems steep but converting things like 11-oxo to 11-kt costs a bit, ad well as lab testing.

Once these products have a solid year in and manufacturing costs decrease I can see the price dropping but until then, those who wish to stay safe and legal are more than willing to buy at the current price.
 
Hey...Who is better PP or AF ?


oufinny said:
Y'all need to focus on selling a full 30 days supply and get the price down to something realistic; I don't buy the BS about how esterfied DHEA isomers are so expensive when their equivalents can be had for so little on their own. I tried the PP V3 stuff, it was marginal at best and a low dose of masteron made AndroHard seem like a placebo. Many look at this as an alternative to real gear but I see it as a lot of money for minimal results. Sorry, someone has to call it like its seen.
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oufinny said:
Y'all need to focus on selling a full 30 days supply and get the price down to something realistic; I don't buy the BS about how esterfied DHEA isomers are so expensive when their equivalents can be had for so little on their own. I tried the PP V3 stuff, it was marginal at best and a low dose of masteron made AndroHard seem like a placebo. Many look at this as an alternative to real gear but I see it as a lot of money for minimal results. Sorry, someone has to call it like its seen.
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FOCUS

Responding to your pricing opinion. No one carries this product but AF and there is only one place that produced a similar item and that was Primordial Performances AndroDrive which people loved and ANDRO FACTORY has provided the product for considerably less and put 3 soft gels worth in 1 Liquid cap . So i'm not sure what it is your giving an opinion about??

Oh wait.. You haven't tried it and your slamming something? It hasn't been released yet so you couldn't have tried it....

-just saying.

Don't want this thread to steer in the direction of unwarranted attacks on a line that has done nothing shy of making it stronger, easier to dose and less expensive..

Did we mention there is a one time introduction sale going on right now to get the product out there for people to try and get some actually opinions on it.

Type in PRESALE99 at checkout


-AF
 
R1balla said:
i mean, not even for the andro stuff. Toco 8 was the shizzz along with sustain alpha.
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If you miss toco 8,
The company that supplied the vitamin e tocotrienol complex that was used in all the sited studies is "Carotech Tocomin supra bio"
You can still get it in Swansons tocotrienol supplement, and Jarrow's "toco-sorb"
I am not a rep for either company, I just loved toco 8, and did a little research when Primordial Performance closed shop.
 
ANDRO FACTORY'S PCT called CP+R Cycle Protection and Recovery

toddgranit said:
If you miss toco 8,
The company that supplied the vitamin e tocotrienol complex that was used in all the sited studies is "Carotech Tocomin supra bio"
You can still get it in Swansons tocotrienol supplement, and Jarrow's "toco-sorb"
I am not a rep for either company, I just loved toco 8, and did a little research when Primordial Performance closed shop.
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Good to know you loved it Invalid Link Removed will have the appropriate dose "from their Clinical Studies" To provide you with everything you loved about it. Hair regrowth, prostate health, everything really; the product Invalid Link Removed which is what we use in the CP+R found in all of our products is truly a miracle supplement.

-AF
 
LEAN-CUT (improved since AndroLean)

runner_79 said:
Curious also...something comparable to Androlean also...I have ahv2 but need a stacker along side it for my cut

-Chris
EBF Rep
Mobile App
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LEAN-CUT (improved since AndroLean) and its on sale now type in PRESALES99 at check out 30% off, just for one more day.

-AF
 
allday54 said:
Since the takedown of PP I've been looking for other alternatives that are similar or the same as the andro series. I came across Androfactory's bulk-up. Is this a legit company? And is this product as safe as PP products??
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Yes and "as safe".....Well that is a funny way to say it. PP was shut down and the manufacturing facility was deemed non GMP compliant.ANDRO FACTORY uses a multi billion dollar manufacturing facility.. So I would say safer. Check it outhttp://anabolicminds.com/forum/andro-factory/219209-meet-andro-factorys.html-AF
 
fightbackhxc said:
Pp had some good stuff. If androfactory offered a product that was cheaper yet Still effective I would be a repeat customer. The problem is the price.
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Effective absolutely. Actually improved since the last version. Now with 1 Liquid cap instead of 3 softgels. What about the price?Would love to see you try the new line.There is a huge sale right now to. Type in PRESALES99 at check out and get 30% off.ANDRO FACTORY Primordial PerformanceFOCUS 79.95 AndroDrive 79.00LEAN-CUT 89.50 AndroLean 129.00 BULK-UP 139.50 AndroMass 199.00MASS-BULK 159.95 AndroBulk 219.00Thanks-AF
 
toddgranit said:
If you miss toco 8,
The company that supplied the vitamin e tocotrienol complex that was used in all the sited studies is "Carotech Tocomin supra bio"
You can still get it in Swansons tocotrienol supplement, and Jarrow's "toco-sorb"
I am not a rep for either company, I just loved toco 8, and did a little research when Primordial Performance closed shop.
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dude thanks!!!!

anyways, even if PP was around still, i wouldnt be using any of their androseries prohormones. too much $ for little results. sure i may have gained 10 pounds but it took 8 weeks. i am just going to stick to low dose of other stuff if i ever decide to go that route
 
Androfactory said:
and half the price...
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im not here to argue at all, but when you do the math of price per serving, it isnt half the price. (with both rep coupons)

edit: AF offers great deals just like PP used to offer, but in the end, its still alot of money to dish out. AF cant help the price really though. Raws are expensive for them as with PP
 
Thanks bud!!! ;)

FL3X MAGNUM said:
Comparable to Andro lean.

As for the prices, they do seem a bit steep at first but when you look at safety, effectiveness etc, and compared to other DHEA products with similar delivery systems, factor in effective dosage, you find out the prices stay pretty competitive.
On top of that, Androfactory has some nice sales, the reps have discount codes, and you can get in on the rewards program on our site.
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Androfactory said:
Effective absolutely. Actually improved since the last version. Now with 1 Liquid cap instead of 3 softgels. What about the price?Would love to see you try the new line.There is a huge sale right now to. Type in PRESALES99 at check out and get 30% off.ANDRO FACTORY Primordial PerformanceFOCUS 79.95 AndroDrive 79.00LEAN-CUT 89.50 AndroLean 129.00 BULK-UP 139.50 AndroMass 199.00MASS-BULK 159.95 AndroBulk 219.00Thanks-AF
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I can't swing it man too pricey. My andromasses were traded for so That's the only reason I took it...otherwise I would Have never purchased. I like the innovation I just can't afford that stuff right now in my life.
 
Androfactory said:
FOCUS

Responding to your pricing opinion. No one carries this product but AF and there is only one place that produced a similar item and that was Primordial Performances AndroDrive which people loved and ANDRO FACTORY has provided the product for considerably less and put 3 soft gels worth in 1 Liquid cap . So i'm not sure what it is your giving an opinion about??

Oh wait.. You haven't tried it and your slamming something? It hasn't been released yet so you couldn't have tried it....

-just saying.

Don't want this thread to steer in the direction of unwarranted attacks on a line that has done nothing shy of making it stronger, easier to dose and less expensive..

Did we mention there is a one time introduction sale going on right now to get the product out there for people to try and get some actually opinions on it.

Type in PRESALE99 at checkout


-AF
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Tried AndroDrive too, at various doses no less, it was not impressive. Good to hear you concentrated it though, need to do something as such to justify the cost.
 
oufinny said:
Tried AndroDrive too, at various doses no less, it was not impressive. Good to hear you concentrated it though, need to do something as such to justify the cost.
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dude! i hated androdrive as well. many people liked it but i didnt see anything from it.
 
R1balla said:
dude! i hated androdrive as well. many people liked it but i didnt see anything from it.
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Could just be non-responders. Could be I do a cruise dose of the good stuff too and just don't notice much from products like that too. It was good for taking with orals to up the bio-availability though.
 
Androfactory said:
FOCUS

Responding to your pricing opinion. No one carries this product but AF and there is only one place that produced a similar item and that was Primordial Performances AndroDrive which people loved and ANDRO FACTORY has provided the product for considerably less and put 3 soft gels worth in 1 Liquid cap . So i'm not sure what it is your giving an opinion about??

Oh wait.. You haven't tried it and your slamming something? It hasn't been released yet so you couldn't have tried it....

-just saying.

Don't want this thread to steer in the direction of unwarranted attacks on a line that has done nothing shy of making it stronger, easier to dose and less expensive..

Did we mention there is a one time introduction sale going on right now to get the product out there for people to try and get some actually opinions on it.

Type in PRESALE99 at checkout


-AF
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Hello Sweetheart,

Bet you missed me. Please don't respond to this with a PM begging me to leave you alone, I don't respond to PMs here. Do we need to go into how your price savings does not take count for the fact that your dosages are not the same? Or that your added pixy dust PCT or whatever you call it added to each pill is at dosages that don't matter? Oh no we don't, it has been covered before.

Also, please don't say you are the only company offering similar products, that is a damn lie. My forum currently houses probably the largest collection of prior fans of Primordial Performance, and anyone wanting DHEA products goes to Forerunner, a company backed with significantly more history in the industry, more trustworthy marketing and product design, and a product formulator who wasn't pushed into the industry as the result of a bitter end to a relationship.

Androfactory said:
Yes and "as safe".....Well that is a funny way to say it. PP was shut down and the manufacturing facility was deemed non GMP compliant.ANDRO FACTORY uses a multi billion dollar manufacturing facility.. So I would say safer. Check it outhttp://anabolicminds.com/forum/andro-factory/219209-meet-andro-factorys.html-AF
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This is the skankiest post I have read in quite some time. I believe our product passed FDA testing for impurities? What was on the label is what was in the product? Remember all of that **** you PM'd me about how I shouldn't diss you because you and Eric are really close still and supportive of each other? Then he PM'd me about how I should ignore what you say because none of it is true? Seem pretty quick to stab in the back for an extra dollar or two for someone who is so supportive of her fallen friend.

R1balla said:
im not here to argue at all, but when you do the math of price per serving, it isnt half the price. (with both rep coupons)

edit: AF offers great deals just like PP used to offer, but in the end, its still alot of money to dish out. AF cant help the price really though. Raws are expensive for them as with PP
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The price thing has been covered before. Remember that little twerp who used to go around everyone claiming he gained XX lbs on a run of androfactory's products and then in the fine print said he actually ran primordial's product, but since the ingredients are similar he didn't think it was a lie. Sad state.

As for the comments on price, the base hormones are currently held under patent, and royalties on every product sold must be paid to the company that holds it. While the ester-addition definitely causes the product price to rise drastically, so does the royalties.


Here is the fact of the matter. If you want an over the counter alternative to test or a test like feel from a legal non methyl, go with forerunner and run it high. If you want a test cycle, run test.
 
HereToStudy said:
Hello Sweetheart,

Bet you missed me. Please don't respond to this with a PM begging me to leave you alone, I don't respond to PMs here. Do we need to go into how your price savings does not take count for the fact that your dosages are not the same? Or that your added pixy dust PCT or whatever you call it added to each pill is at dosages that don't matter? Oh no we don't, it has been covered before.

Also, please don't say you are the only company offering similar products, that is a damn lie. My forum currently houses probably the largest collection of prior fans of Primordial Performance, and anyone wanting DHEA products goes to Forerunner, a company backed with significantly more history in the industry, more trustworthy marketing and product design, and a product formulator who wasn't pushed into the industry as the result of a bitter end to a relationship.



This is the skankiest post I have read in quite some time. I believe our product passed FDA testing for impurities? What was on the label is what was in the product? Remember all of that **** you PM'd me about how I shouldn't diss you because you and Eric are really close still and supportive of each other? Then he PM'd me about how I should ignore what you say because none of it is true? Seem pretty quick to stab in the back for an extra dollar or two for someone who is so supportive of her fallen friend.



The price thing has been covered before. Remember that little twerp who used to go around everyone claiming he gained XX lbs on a run of androfactory's products and then in the fine print said he actually ran primordial's product, but since the ingredients are similar he didn't think it was a lie. Sad state.

As for the comments on price, the base hormones are currently held under patent, and royalties on every product sold must be paid to the company that holds it. While the ester-addition definitely causes the product price to rise drastically, so does the royalties.


Here is the fact of the matter. If you want an over the counter alternative to test or a test like feel from a legal non methyl, go with forerunner and run it high. If you want a test cycle, run test.
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many times before.

where have you been man?! glad to see you back!
 
R1balla said:
many times before.

where have you been man?! glad to see you back!
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Between work being insanely busy, repping for a new company (PHF), and running my own forum (I agreed not to name it here in respect of David Dunn), I have had to cut back on what boards I regularly visit. It is always nice to see some of the regs still around.
 
HereToStudy said:
Between work being insanely busy, repping for a new company (PHF), and running my own forum (I agreed not to name it here in respect of David Dunn), I have had to cut back on what boards I regularly visit. It is always nice to see some of the regs still around.
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gotcha man. well glad to see you back on here
 
bwhahahahhahhahhaha
i got that letter from venus too!!!!!
so emotional it was, from the heart, i felt the pain
 
Coolazice said:
Of course they'll be "similar". The woman is copying everything else that Eric formulated and sold.
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the carrier is different...plus it's not really a big deal...tons of companies clone other companies products

it happens to eric and ppl start crying
 
Young Gotti said:
the carrier is different...plus it's not really a big deal...tons of companies clone other companies products

it happens to eric and ppl start crying
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People copy base hormones. A hormone is not a product design. If XXXXX ugl makes testosterone, you can't claim the are copying the product when YYYYY makes testosterone. Any product that CEL cloned was well documented prior to release: See Vida's text. They might have cloned an existing offering, but it wasn't replication of innovation. The Androseries was a specific product design, the result of research and independent trial and error. While my issue with AF is how they handle the marketing and not the replication themselves, to deny that they directly replicated the product is a bit foolish, the marketing was a comparison of the two products the entire time, and as I said, your inititial rep (who one day the company claimed was affiliated with the company, the next they claimed the opposite), used to give reviews on AF products based on androseries products he tried.
 
Young Gotti said:
the carrier is different...plus it's not really a big deal...tons of companies clone other companies products

it happens to eric and ppl start crying
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So what if the damn carrier is different! The point being she is going right down the line and copying everything that made that man successful and has absolutely no innovations of her own. She even had to steal his client list on the way out the door because she wasn't smart or creative enough to build her own client list. Btw, thanks for the spam, Fred! You freakin' jerkoff!!! Time to look into CAN-SPAM.
 
Coolazice said:
He's no god. An innovator, yes - But no god. Oh, and he's not a thief (to my knowledge) like that broad is.
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That was a joke. He is a innovator I give u that. But IMO I don't give a crap if a company follows someone else's footstep (call it lazy) as long as it works as it states it will. Idk personal business in that aspect of neither one nor do I care either lol.

I believe u the second person to call her a thief. Why? I'm curious now lol
 
HereToStudy said:
Between work being insanely busy, repping for a new company (PHF), and running my own forum (I agreed not to name it here in respect of David Dunn), I have had to cut back on what boards I regularly visit. It is always nice to see some of the regs still around.
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It has been different without the PP reps around.

Some stayed, some went.

Its good to hear you picked up a new rep position, I figured it wouldn't be long after PP before you did.

I'm not very regular on your forum, I mostly joined because of the presence you were over here. Good to see you back around.
 
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