Anabolic requiring no PCT?

livenukes1

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Looking for a product that does not requre CPT.
I have looked at Jungle Warfare, Restore, BAM from Alri.
Also Mass Fx...

Any suggestions on better production? any tips? successful products?
Thanks
 
I ran mass fx and hx2 back in jan and loved it. good strength increase and some size and no side effects. Felt great when i came off of it too, didnt lose anything id gained
 
Prime would be a good choice or if you want read up on pulsing orals. Might be a good option for ya
 
jminis said:
Prime would be a good choice or if you want read up on pulsing orals. Might be a good option for ya
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So, pulsing oral steroids requires absolutely no PCT? I thought it just minimized the shut down associated with hormonal products....
 
livenukes1 said:
Looking for a product that does not requre CPT.
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Anything that is is non-hormanal will NOt require PCT. Look into testosterone boosters and stacks such as IGF-2, Activate Xtreme, Drive, etc.


bubbachew said:
So, pulsing oral steroids requires absolutely no PCT? I thought it just minimized the shut down associated with hormonal products....
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SOME PCT is required for pulsing; the extent of it will largely be determined by the product, dosage, cycle length, etc.
 
Guejsn said:
Anything that is is non-hormanal will NOt require PCT. Look into testosterone boosters and stacks such as IGF-2, Activate Xtreme, Drive, etc.




SOME PCT is required for pulsing; the extent of it will largely be determined by the product, dosage, cycle length, etc.
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That's what I thought...just double checking. Thanks.
 
I used X Factor a while back, that stuff was excellent for muscle gains. No sides effects (except increased DOMS) and awesome pumps :)
 
Something that is anabolic...how about a cycle of chicken stacked with green beans and potatos?

lol.

I would go with Mass FX & Hyperdrol X2. Great stuff, i will be using it again before the year is out.
 
taking a test booster after a ph cycle would be considered a pct... right??? but that is prolly not gonna be enough for some of you pct extremists out there (no cracks at anyone). So maybe you can describe what you consider pct. You could do a cycle of some ph's and pct COULD be as simple as an AI or test booster. IMO and experience you could take a bottle of havoc at 30mg/ed and when you are done all you would have to do is take some post cycle support or a similar product, just take a lil more time before you decide to do it again... I took havoc with PCS as my only pct gained 12lbs lost 2 and kept it until i wrecked my motorcycle so to each there own...

Anyways i guess what i am trying to say is... if you wanna expand your list of supps or ph's that would be possible to do... maybe consider this, PCT can be as simple or complex as you want.
 
Spudpunx said:
taking a test booster after a ph cycle would be considered a pct... right??? but that is prolly not gonna be enough for some of you pct extremists out there (no cracks at anyone). So maybe you can describe what you consider pct. You could do a cycle of some ph's and pct COULD be as simple as an AI or test booster. IMO and experience you could take a bottle of havoc at 30mg/ed and when you are done all you would have to do is take some post cycle support or a similar product, just take a lil more time before you decide to do it again... I took havoc with PCS as my only pct gained 12lbs lost 2 and kept it until i wrecked my motorcycle so to each there own...

Anyways i guess what i am trying to say is... if you wanna expand your list of supps or ph's that would be possible to do... maybe consider this, PCT can be as simple or complex as you want.
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Not trying to be a prick here, but be very careful minimizing nthe importance of proper pct. We are not just talking about retention of gains here, there are many factors to consider. Read around and you will find some horror stories associated with lack of pct.....i'm one of them. Yes, maybe there are pct extremists...............but there are also newbs.
 
Zero V said:
Something that is anabolic...how about a cycle of chicken stacked with green beans and potatos?

lol.

I would go with Mass FX & Hyperdrol X2. Great stuff, i will be using it again before the year is out.
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im thinking of using it too,how much did you gain?cheers
 
Rah22491 said:
get ready bro it kicked in for me in week three and im in week 8 right now and the workouts are still getting better
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Yea that's what I've been hearing week 3 is when it really kicks into high gear I gotta say through the first 2 weeks I'm up 5 lbs and bf is down about 0.5% and the workouts get better everyday:)
 
Spudpunx said:
taking a test booster after a ph cycle would be considered a pct... right??? but that is prolly not gonna be enough for some of you pct extremists out there (no cracks at anyone). So maybe you can describe what you consider pct. You could do a cycle of some ph's and pct COULD be as simple as an AI or test booster. IMO and experience you could take a bottle of havoc at 30mg/ed and when you are done all you would have to do is take some post cycle support or a similar product, just take a lil more time before you decide to do it again... I took havoc with PCS as my only pct gained 12lbs lost 2 and kept it until i wrecked my motorcycle so to each there own...

Anyways i guess what i am trying to say is... if you wanna expand your list of supps or ph's that would be possible to do... maybe consider this, PCT can be as simple or complex as you want.
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Taking ONLY a testosterone booster after a cycle would NOT be considered PCT. You would need MORE than that. At LEAST an AI alongside it. As well as the other basic staples and some support supplements.

As dedlifter1 said, PCT is NOT something to be minimized or not well thought out. It's not just about maintaining gains, but about making sure that your body recovers fro the ordeal you just put it through, and that it returns to its own physiological and functioning order.

In saying that, every PH/DS/steroid and cycle is different. Some require rather extensive PCTs to return the body to homeostasis. Others require less. It IS up to the individual to determine the appropriate PCT for their cycle.
 
Guejsn said:
Taking ONLY a testosterone booster after a cycle would NOT be considered PCT. You would need MORE than that. At LEAST an AI alongside it. As well as the other basic staples and some support supplements.

As dedlifter1 said, PCT is NOT something to be minimized or not well thought out. It's not just about maintaining gains, but about making sure that your body recovers fro the ordeal you just put it through, and that it returns to its own physiological and functioning order.

In saying that, every PH/DS/steroid and cycle is different. Some require rather extensive PCTs to return the body to homeostasis. Others require less. It IS up to the individual to determine the appropriate PCT for their cycle.
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im not denying that. all im saying is some ppl consider just running a test booster or an AI as pct, then not running another cycle again, for a much greater time. Are u telling me that your body would never be normal again without these things... I thought they were just to speed up your body's natural normalizing process. Im just trying to suggest that maybe if the op thinks that he could live with maybe a simple pct, rather than none, or an over extensive pct, then maybe he would have a few more options...

My bad for not makin my point clear before.

Also on another note PRIME kiks a$$
 
Spudpunx said:
im not denying that. all im saying is some ppl consider just running a test booster or an AI as pct, then not running another cycle again, for a much greater time. Are u telling me that your body would never be normal again without these things... I thought they were just to speed up your body's natural normalizing process. Im just trying to suggest that maybe if the op thinks that he could live with maybe a simple pct, rather than none, or an over extensive pct, then maybe he would have a few more options...
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I'm not saying your body will NOT return to normal withOUT them. However, the point of PCT is to return your body to its natural HPTA axis as SOON as possible. If left to do it alone you don't know what kind of complications could be caused, or whether the body would recover the way it should, or how long it would take.

A simple* PCT would be fine, as long as it was APPROPRIATE to the product cycled, and ALL factors were taken into consideration.
* Note that by "simple" it does not mean that PCT will be inexpensive, but that the most EFFECTIVE (albeit possibly minimal) products are used).
 
Spudpunx said:
taking a test booster after a ph cycle would be considered a pct... right??? but that is prolly not gonna be enough for some of you pct extremists out there (no cracks at anyone). So maybe you can describe what you consider pct. You could do a cycle of some ph's and pct COULD be as simple as an AI or test booster. IMO and experience you could take a bottle of havoc at 30mg/ed and when you are done all you would have to do is take some post cycle support or a similar product, just take a lil more time before you decide to do it again... I took havoc with PCS as my only pct gained 12lbs lost 2 and kept it until i wrecked my motorcycle so to each there own...

Anyways i guess what i am trying to say is... if you wanna expand your list of supps or ph's that would be possible to do... maybe consider this, PCT can be as simple or complex as you want.
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So, when you say that you have taken only PCS for pct, let me ask this, did you do blood work so that you were certain that you your hormones were back in balance? Your cholesterol was back in check? kidneys, ALT/AST liver function?
Unless you knew all of those things were back into "normal" range, then you cannot say that your pct went great ...

I am not saying that you did not have knowledge of these specifics. But, as you didn't post that you did, i just assumed that you didn't.
 
hardknock said:
So, when you say that you have taken only PCS for pct, let me ask this, did you do blood work so that you were certain that you your hormones were back in balance? Your cholesterol was back in check? kidneys, ALT/AST liver function?
Unless you knew all of those things were back into "normal" range, then you cannot say that your pct went great ...

I am not saying that you did not have knowledge of these specifics. But, as you didn't post that you did, i just assumed that you didn't.
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you are right... i have never had bloods done and have no idea. I am just relying on the time off i took after that and how i feel and assuming that i am alright... but something i am pretty possitive though is that my cholesterol is fine cuz i eat a bowl of cheerios every morning :)

Im not perfect but nothing bad has come from it... and that was when i was new to this whole thing and took the product cuz someone recommended it and i didnt even know what it was... hell i didnt even know what EFA's or milk thistle were.

PLZ dont think i am trying to be ignorant and lead the op down a horrible path... plus he may have already read my posts and said pfff what a dumass.
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If money is the issue, then prime is definitely off this guys list...
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livenukes why does it have to be something that doesnt require pct?
 
Ok, cheerios?
Get the ones that Costco sells in bulk, just a hint of honey and they are delicious ....
no hijack
 
bubbachew said:
So, pulsing oral steroids requires absolutely no PCT? I thought it just minimized the shut down associated with hormonal products....
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I think DR.D said that if you puls Epi you dont have to have a PCT but I may be wrong... just do a OTC PCT like get some formex or inhibit-E
 
CEL formestane or Hyperdrol X2 will surprise you at how productive they are without all the extra bologne. You'll have strength, libido, aggression, and some leaning effect.

No offense to the ALRI stack, but I personally didn't get much out of any of the 3 that you listed.

Along the lines of what UKStrength posted with Xfactor, Hemadraulix has some nice pump incredients along with AA. It's won't stim you out either. Just another option to consider.

I'm assuming you want to keep it simple. In which case, running a designer (whether you're pulsing or not) doesn't sound like it's the right choice for you at this time.
 
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