ALRIs product
- Thread starter knuckles
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Truck
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nice to know my current cutter has the Dr.D stamp of approval on it. and i am in agreement - it's been very effective thus far, but i have a few other things thrown in the mix (MDHT, syn, green tea, l-tyrosine, 7-OXO, CLA....eventually T3)DR.D said:
i think using LMG or even SD on a cut is a waste of rather scarce products. you need just enough anabolism to keep muscle wasting at a minimum - why use such anabolic and hypertrophic compounds?
DR.D
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Truck said:
"syn" as in synthroid? If so, you have a sweet cutter as is, and you really don't need the T3. All the other stuff looks great, if you have the cash for all those good supps, it really does make a difference, but you have all your bases covered as far as I can see :thumbsup:
Truck
Banned
had it laying around, otherwise i wouldnt have bothered (plus it was all of $5/bottle). i have real ma huang too, but i'm saving that. i only take 36mg/day (2 doses of 300mg citrus aurantium @ 6%)DR.D said:
i'm pretty stimulated, all around. only getting maybe 4 hours a night and that's not by choice. that can be attributed to ANY of the various substances i'm taking.
by the way - anyone else experienced a fair amount of aggression on MDHT? i am markedly "on edge" with this stuff, and not in a CNS way - basically i'm a dickhead. i guess this is why it was marketed as "methyl rage" and "aggression"! suppose i am going to have to be more conscious of it if i want to keep my job and my friends
DR.D
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It's just a hard core andro, if you can keep your hair and take prostate support, and don't mind risking your skin you could probably get some great strength, endurance, aggression and hardening for M5 or MDHT. Just depends on your genes and how many risks you are willing to take. DHT shuts down LH faster than estrogen. I always felt why? When you can take 2-Methyl-MDHT (Superdrol) and get an killer anabolic in a clean DHT package?
Nate Dawg
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So the theories on MDHT not shutting down the HPTA very severely, or at least quickly, are completely false? I am wanting to take a 3-4 month break from androgens after I get off this time(that is going to be really hard to do lol) and this summer I was wanting to try some mdht or something mild to get hardened up good at the lake for 4th of July So what I was looking for was something that didnt shut down the HPTA too severely, seems like ergomax lmg was fairly mild on shutdown, I might have found an online place that sells it still...anyways, I was hoping that mdht would be the drug of choice for this summer with a little 3 week cycle, but if it shuts you down fairly hard I dont even want to mess with it.
So what I was looking for was something that didnt shut down the HPTA too severely, seems like ergomax lmg was fairly mild on shutdown, I might have found an online place that sells it still...anyways, I was hoping that mdht would be the drug of choice for this summer with a little 3 week cycle, but if it shuts you down fairly hard I dont even want to mess with it.Truck
Banned
because SD is:DR.D said:
a) twice the price
b) completely unavailable
if those conditions didnt exist, you could bet your ass i'd have a cabinet full of it. not all of us ride the DS train and have access to the goodies like you doc.
i also think that LMG can serve a purpose that SD cannot, as a safe, non-aromatizing addition to a high anabolic stack that also abates some sides (libido, mainly) - something SD can't do. ie. you'd need 4-ad if you were gonna run 1-T with your SD. with LMG? maybe not. i suppose letro with the 4-ad would equalize this, though.
Mr.50
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Just to weigh in here, I have to agree with Track at least with respect to the libido issue. One of the main things I preferred in LMG over SD was the libido boost instead of the libido kill from SD. With that said, I also understand that everyone is different and have a different response as far as libido is concerned.
Mr.50
Mr.50
dmilhouse said:
DR.D
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Truck said:
Your are right, LMG is especially well suited for libido enhancement. SD is not, on opposite, it's designed to be as clean as possible. You can't really have it all, but your right about the stack, LMG has it's place. Actually, I had some good ideas to discuss with Sldg about a bulker that would cover the libido base too, still be roughly as anabolic as SD, and still lower estrogen.. an all-in-one type compound, but with the ban it's all on the back burner.
As far as me getting a free ride on the "DS train" Sldg has not sent me one bottle of Superdrol.. Not one! I blame you guys because he kept telling me that he would, but that he was so understocked that he had to mail it all out (even the few he set aside for me) to fill all the orders! I haven't gotten to use it again since the original trial! :frustrate
DR.D
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Nate Dawg said:So the theories on MDHT not shutting down the HPTA very severely, or at least quickly, are completely false? I am wanting to take a 3-4 month break from androgens after I get off this time(that is going to be really hard to do lol) and this summer I was wanting to try some mdht or something mild to get hardened up good at the lake for 4th of July
It goes like this:
LH shutdown
3a-Diol > DHT > Test > Estrogen
FSH shutdown
Estrogen > Test > DHT > 3a-Diol
But, keep in mind, that at a high enough dose, some of these differences disappear, some don't, but this is the basic pattern. As for MDHT, I doubt it will shut down FSH much at all, so your nuts may stay relatively big and you may be functionally fertile (good libido) but test is still going bye-bye and pretty fast the higher the dose.
Mr.50
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Dr.D
That is some very interesting ****. Thats why on MDHT the size of the boys seems to stay the same even though everyone says you are shut down. At least as far as I understand you, you are shut down with respect to Test production but you are not shut down much with respect to sperm production. In addition the MDHT creats enough of a libido stumulatory effect in the brain for you to still feel like getting laid and being able to get it up. Very interesting. So this means then that PCT after MDHT is still very important even though it doesn't seem like it.
Mr.50
That is some very interesting ****. Thats why on MDHT the size of the boys seems to stay the same even though everyone says you are shut down. At least as far as I understand you, you are shut down with respect to Test production but you are not shut down much with respect to sperm production. In addition the MDHT creats enough of a libido stumulatory effect in the brain for you to still feel like getting laid and being able to get it up. Very interesting. So this means then that PCT after MDHT is still very important even though it doesn't seem like it.
Mr.50
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DR.D
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Right on Mr.50!
You and NateDawg are my boyzz! :cheers:
It's a matter of common experience if you have tried a few different 'roids that they all effect the libido and shutdown a little different, so it's good to keep in mind when your planning a cycle, which drug does what and how it all might stack up.
You and NateDawg are my boyzz! :cheers:
It's a matter of common experience if you have tried a few different 'roids that they all effect the libido and shutdown a little different, so it's good to keep in mind when your planning a cycle, which drug does what and how it all might stack up.
Nate Dawg
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So going by your chart, for example, when you have LH shutdown:
3a-diol>DHT>Test>Estrogen
Does that mean 3a-diol shuts down LH fastest, with estrogen being the least of the 4 to shut down LH? And if it is that way, then that is why the testes dont shrink as much on MDHT is because the FSH is not shut down that severely, or at least quickly, so they stay up to size quicker, but say when you take something like dbol or test or something that aromatizes a fair amount the ol boys run into hiding pretty quick?
So, what do you think would be a good choice for me to run a little 3-4 week cycle this summer that wouldnt shut me down too bad. Like I said earlier I am wanting to take a fairly long break from androgens, BUT I want to be semi-jacked for the lake and the ladies this summer Would Ergomax LMG be better? I think I found a place to get some. I was also thinking possibly anavar, but not for sure on the availability of that. What would you do DR.D?
3a-diol>DHT>Test>Estrogen
Does that mean 3a-diol shuts down LH fastest, with estrogen being the least of the 4 to shut down LH? And if it is that way, then that is why the testes dont shrink as much on MDHT is because the FSH is not shut down that severely, or at least quickly, so they stay up to size quicker, but say when you take something like dbol or test or something that aromatizes a fair amount the ol boys run into hiding pretty quick?
So, what do you think would be a good choice for me to run a little 3-4 week cycle this summer that wouldnt shut me down too bad. Like I said earlier I am wanting to take a fairly long break from androgens, BUT I want to be semi-jacked for the lake and the ladies this summer
Would Ergomax LMG be better? I think I found a place to get some. I was also thinking possibly anavar, but not for sure on the availability of that. What would you do DR.D?
DR.D
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Nate Dawg said:
That's right. It' one of the reasons I include DHEA in my PCT as a non-suppressive libido support when test levels are low. Of course, it's all more complicated than this, but as for your question, I might tend to favor a short, NMT 4wk, Ergo cycle. I still don't trust it as for aromatizable metabolites, so keep the dose reasonable, and get some tret or diffrin cream if you have ladies to impress, because zits can get out of hand with this stuff. But you couldn't go wrong with the DHT either, just use some test trans or DHEA as insurance starting a day or two leading up to your "performace" at the lake.
You could have invited me you know 
Nate Dawg
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You are more than welcome to come party with me anytime D! Just I dunno, you said you used to be a gigolo, so that would probably make the competition tougher for me lol. When you said "NMT egro cycle" what does NMT mean? I am thinking something with low dose, I would prolly go with 20mg/day.
DR.D
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milwood said:
I think it's probabaly a good partner for dec, 19-nordiol, var, SD, but M4OHN may be a bit androgenic. Sure it's a nor, but it's 2 or 3 times more androgenic than dec or nilavar or anything else similar because the 4-sub prevents 5a-reductase from making a nice kind metabolite with it that would not contribute to androgeny. Maybe both at 20mg, I don't know. Some experimentation is required here. As for synergy, I suspect there would be some, but a lot of overlap too.
Nate Dawg
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So how is the cycle coming along? Are you still on or have you started pct? If you are on pct, what were your total gains in strength/weight and how well are they staying? Have you leaned out or put on any extra fat while on cycle?knuckles said:Yes I believe it is going to shut one down and I don't believe the 6 weeks only mildly. I have been on for four weeks at 40 mg/d and I am noticing the nuts are about half the size. Now I know nut size is not the most accurate indicator of suppression but when they are noticeable smaller then somethings cooking. This elephant sweat is the real deal.
knuckles
knuckles
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Funny you should ask, I was going to post today. Well my last dose was Saturday night so it has been almost one full week. I started PCT with clomid 150 mg x 3 days along with 6 oxo, 7 keto, but now I dropped the clomid and started the nolva. I was up about 7 lbs total but now I am only 5 lbs, still over 230# which was my goal. I can tell that I am not taking it though. Pumps aren't half as intense, not quite as vascular but the great thing is strength is still up, I got 280 for 6 on bench press and could have gotten 1-2 more but didn't have a spotter. This is beats my best for flat bench of 275 for 5. I'm pleased being almost one week out.Nate Dawg said:
knuckles
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Actually really well. I did lose a few of the total poundage which I believe was like 6 lbs. However, I kept about 3-3 1/2 which is great for me. Finally a strong 231-232. Anyway, I used clomid for 5 days and nolva for 3 weeks. I don't feel shut down and I'm really pleased with the strength. My strength is usually drops off significantly 10 days into PCT even with good calories and less intense workouts. However, not with this. I've kept alot of the body composition. No 8 pack by any means but my top 4 abs are visable without flexing. I would guess about 15-18%. I am pleased and am definately glad I got this for the future. Off on vacation, see ya!!!
knuckles
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