Alpha TESTs Earths Darkside (first cycle log)

Hyde said:
When I finally got serious about lifting and started squatting and pulling, I began blending a shake every morning before work. 2 scoops whey, cup of oats, 10oz milk, 2tbsp pb, 1 banana. Took all of 3 minutes to blend and slam back, easy 1000 calories, 75g pro, 100g cho, 10 fiber and 35 fat. Delicious and cheap, I called them my Big Boy shakes. Shot up 25lbs in 6 months
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Add in cup and a half of egg whites and ou got my breakfast every single day for the past year wether bulking or cutting lol

P.s. Everyone asking for my diet plan p.m. Me your email and what calories you want , I have them written out on my notes everywhere from 1800 (the lowest I get) to 5000 , it's simple as fucc
 
Joedoubledose said:
Lethargy sucks man I know the feeling , stay focused on the final goal and do what ever you need too get there.
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hairygrandpa said:
Sorry to hear that. I guess everyone experiences good -and bad cycles.
My list of stuff I don't tolerate is long but the few I like include DMZ.
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Thanks fellas , I'm focusing on the fact that I have 5 days left of the dmz anyways and should be receiving some dermacrine any day now so just trying to push through it but it's fuccing tough when it's messing with work , I could literally wake up lift and go right back to bed for the rest of the day . It just sucks cuz to top it between lifting work and school I'm leaving the house at 430 am and not back till about 930-10 Monday - Thursday which is making it even tougher
 
Alpha1agreda said:
Add in cup and a half of egg whites and ou got my breakfast every single day for the past year wether bulking or cutting lol

P.s. Everyone asking for my diet plan p.m. Me your email and what calories you want , I have them written out on my notes everywhere from 1800 (the lowest I get) to 5000 , it's simple as fucc
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I will remember this. I'll def hit you up when I start narrowing down my plan!
 
blueline438 said:
I will remember this. I'll def hit you up when I start narrowing down my plan!
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Yeah man for sure I'm no guru or nothing special but when I was in training for a job (for two months) I was in a classroom by myself starting at a computer , I learned so fuccing much about dieting in those two months lmao (which has nothing to do with that job) I made diet plans for my chicks whole family who saw me cut and asked me for plans . My main strategy is keep it simple and easy. strict when cutting / variety when bulking which is pretty easy . Simple works for everybody and usually I just go with the flow get tired of sweet potatoes ? Change it for rice , tired of rice ? Change it for beans, if this makes sense lol it's worked for me the last 2 years. Before that I was just so focused on gaining weight i pretty much dirty bulked for 2 years and before that I just had no clue what I was doing diet wise lmao
 
Why would you eat 35g of pro from egg whites on top of a 75g pro shake?? A 200lb male only needs like 120 grams a day while bulking after all.

Or did you mean you use whites instead of whey?
 
Brandinooooo said:
120 grams for a 200lb male? Maybe 220.
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Protein need is startlingly low in a bulk. Being in a surplus is tremendously anabolic. And carbs are anti-catabolic - remember, insulin is the most anabolic of all hormones per amount.

The gram per pound rule is only true for being in a deficit, when the increased nitrogen retention is useful for helping delay muscle loss. Then this true info is driven into the broscience mythos of always needing a gram per pound by the supplement industry, regardless of condition...because protein powder is much easier to sell if you think you need 220 grams every day year round.

I believed that bullsh*t for years. Eating 400 grams at times even. All it did was waste my wallet. Then I opened my mind and tried it...and now I'm stronger and bigger than ever and enjoy a much cheaper diet. I eat 150-220 a day at 230lbs. More isn't wrong at all, but it's also unnecessary and pricier. After protein needs are met, you can fill the rest with carbs or fats based on how your body responds and what you feel best on. For some, that will of course be higher protein.

This old post illustrates what I'm saying better than I'm likely saying it:

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Hyde said:
Protein need is startlingly low in a bulk. Being in a surplus is tremendously anabolic. And carbs are anti-catabolic - remember, insulin is the most anabolic of all hormones per amount.

The gram per pound rule is only true for being in a deficit, when the increased nitrogen retention is useful for helping delay muscle loss. Then this true info is driven into the broscience mythos of always needing a gram per pound by the supplement industry, regardless of condition...because protein powder is much easier to sell if you think you need 220 grams every day year round.

I believed that bullsh*t for years. Eating 400 grams at times even. All it did was waste my wallet. Then I opened my mind and tried it...and now I'm stronger and bigger than ever and enjoy a much cheaper diet. I eat 150-220 a day at 230lbs. More isn't wrong at all, but it's also unnecessary and pricier. After protein needs are met, you can fill the rest with carbs or fats based on how your body responds and what you feel best on. For some, that will of course be higher protein.
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I agree with almost everything you said above, but I am going to disagree a little with this statement (about protein intake): "More isn't wrong at all". Too much protein can be hard on the kidneys (in addition to being hard on the wallet too, as you noted). For the last couple of months whenever I got the munchies I would reach for a low carb/low fat protein bar or my sweet tooth was kicking up then an afternoon protein shake. My last CBC had my BUN numbers very high. I backed off of the protein and drank tons more water and 1 month later the numbers were back down, but still at the very top of the "good" range and my creatinine levels were creeping up a little (which is what I watch more so than the other numbers). Before I started eating a ton of protein from supps my BUN and creatinine levels had been low/moderate (looking back a couple of years worth of yearly physicals).. Bottom line is that I believe more is OK, but there is such a thing as too much protein being unhealthy.

I have shifted my "protein bar" intake to KIND bars which are mainly nuts and spices, with many being less than 5g of sugar (the ones I buy) and with moderate fat (mostly the good kind) and carbs (a percentage being true fiber). But only 7g or so of protein. That aligns with what you are saying about intake ratios and macro sources.

Do you have any other sources to cite for how much protein is actually needed? I am getting ready to start a bulk and would love to read more about what I should really be shooting for. Thanks!
 
I see what you guys are saying and I have seen that before, however, for me specifically (just me) I react (physically) a crap ton better to higher protein when bulking I have played with macros all over the place and my bulks each time go leaner and smoother with higher protein , again that's just me and it could even be a mental thing but keeping protein higher and carbs right behind is what keeps it lean for me
 
Isn't it beneficial to have a pulse of amino acids, particularly 3g of leucine, every few hours to promote MPS? Or is all that bullsh1t?
 
mmorso said:
Isn't it beneficial to have a pulse of amino acids, particularly 3g of leucine, every few hours to promote MPS? Or is all that bullsh1t?
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to keep flushing your body if you were in constant motion or doing strenuous activity. Body isn't going to store bcaa's or 1 branched form vs another. use it or lose it
 
Today started out a whole lot better then yesterday, so far I'm feeling better then the last week so very possible it was the higher dosed lgd causing the lethargy.
And PR in today's workout! I'll be going with these pyramids for the next week they work well for me and I enjoy them.
Chest and arms
Incline
135x 8 135x8 warmups
205x8 225x5 255x6PR 255x3 185x12 135x15
Flat Db
90x12 90x12 90x10 90x10+65x8
High cables
3x12 slow and squeezing
Low cables
3x12 slow and squeezing
6 Bicep tricep supersets
Felt real good in the gym and leaving the gym I have a lot more energy hopefully the day continues this way.

Just to point out, I went down for a 7th on the 255 and pushed t up on my own but my ass came off the seat so I didn't count it , all 6 reps where great form as that's been my focus on incline since it's one of my crappier lifts
 
smith_69 said:
to keep flushing your body if you were in constant motion or doing strenuous activity. Body isn't going to store bcaa's or 1 branched form vs another. use it or lose it
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I wasn't talking about how BCAA's get stored when consumed every few hours, but how 3g of leucine signals MPS via the mTOR pathway... which is why consuming at least 30g of protein every 4 hrs is typically recommended (they estimate that 30g of protein contains ~3g of leucine).
 
mmorso said:
I wasn't talking about how BCAA's get stored when consumed every few hours, but how 3g of leucine signals MPS via the mTOR pathway... which is why consuming at least 30g of protein every 4 hrs is typically recommended (they estimate that 30g of protein contains ~3g of leucine).
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I believe 3 hours is the optimal spacing to trigger MPS from anything remotely credible I've ever read, but unless in a deficit it just doesn't actually play out in studies to change actual amounts of LBM on the body significantly (such as in a maintenance or bulk scenario).
Sparkss I agree on there being a safe limit, but rarely do individuals go there so I didn't mention it. I don't have any individual studies to link, but if you dig you'll likely find some without too much trouble. But if you eat a 400 calorie surplus, you're certainly gonna grow and get stronger. Timing is less than 2% of the big picture as well. Think of kids in high school trying to grow for football Plenty have made it happen on just pasta, lots of milk and pb sandwiches.
alpha nice PR! Incline is harder than flat to keep my butt down if I fail for sure.
 
mmorso said:
I wasn't talking about how BCAA's get stored when consumed every few hours, but how 3g of leucine signals MPS via the mTOR pathway... which is why consuming at least 30g of protein every 4 hrs is typically recommended (they estimate that 30g of protein contains ~3g of leucine).
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this also depends on insulin
"Increases of MPS due to EAAs are associated with elevation of signaling activity in the mammalian target of rapamycin (mTOR)/p70 ribosomal subunit S6 kinase eukaryotic initiation factor 4 binding protein 1 pathway, without requiring rises of plasma insulin availability above 10 μU/mL. However, at insulin of <5 μU/mL, AAs appear to stimulate MPS without increasing mTOR signaling. Further increasing availability of insulin to postprandial values increases signaling activity, but has no further effect on MPS. "
 
Alright small update, felt 100% better today still got slightly tired half way through the day but I think that's cuz I had to skip my lunch break today but it's all good getting my meals in now. Only had 1/2 cup of coffee today which the last week I've been using 3+ of pure black coffee plus sugar free redbull (sugar free just cuz it makes me feel better about myself lmao) so I'm definitely going to finish the DMZ at least.
 
Alpha1agreda said:
Alright small update, felt 100% better today still got slightly tired half way through the day but I think that's cuz I had to skip my lunch break today but it's all good getting my meals in now. Only had 1/2 cup of coffee today which the last week I've been using 3+ of pure black coffee plus sugar free redbull (sugar free just cuz it makes me feel better about myself lmao) so I'm definitely going to finish the DMZ at least.
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Lol nice.
 
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Yeah bro the lethargy you get when your suppressed is unreal... around wk 2-3 of my LGD run I felt like I had mono or something. I'd read about guys getting "lethargic" and thought I knew what that meant but really had no idea.. lol it's not something extra coffee can fix
 
mmorso said:
Yeah bro the lethargy you get when your suppressed is unreal... around wk 2-3 of my LGD run I felt like I had mono or something. I'd read about guys getting "lethargic" and thought I knew what that meant but really had no idea.. lol it's not something extra coffee can fix
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Lmao yeah it fuccing blows , I'm done with Sarms man never got nothing worth the suppression
 
Glad you're feeling a bit better man and hope it only keeps getting better.

And avoiding the sugar really isn't a bad idea; obviously you can take the cals fine but eating or drinking a bunch of sugar always makes me feel worse for real. Ends up making me drag harder in the end.
 
Couple updates here guys, as with each pin, it's getting easier and easier and no pain after at all , been going mostly quads as its been my favorite and I'm getting use to it. Stomach was in pain all day today but it's from something I ate last night which was bad. The stomach issues made it extremely hard to eat today and I missed about two meals as upset as I am about this I believe it is better to just consider them lost than try to stuff my face and get sick again and end up having another crappy diet day. I'm considering lowering cals just a little bit for the sake of my sanity and then bring them back up towards the end of the cycle possibly when I add in the Trest and winny . I'm at 4500 right now I'd probably go down to 3800 - 4000 over the next two weeks . Also rings me to my next point I'm still undecided about Trest I have it here but for some reason I want to save it for its own cycle but then again I wanna run it so bad lol i believe I'll make the decision when the test goes into full effect depending on how the results are. I have some dermacrine I might add 3 pumps just for additional help fighting the lethargy. To my experienced bros , When do you guys think k should start seeing the full effects of the test? Remember I'm at 440/week right now and About 3.75 weeks in .

Hit legs and shoulders today squats went up to 345x5 which felt amazing going back under something heavy . Standing Shoulder press went up to 165x3 trying to get on smith_69 shoulder level lol he's such a nice guy he sent me a couple extra bottles of dermarest he had laying around , it's a new brand but he said it's amazing pre workout Invalid Link Removed any reviews ? Lmao
 
Alpha1agreda said:
Couple updates here guys, as with each pin, it's getting easier and easier and no pain after at all , been going mostly quads as its been my favorite and I'm getting use to it. Stomach was in pain all day today but it's from something I ate last night which was bad. The stomach issues made it extremely hard to eat today and I missed about two meals as upset as I am about this I believe it is better to just consider them lost than try to stuff my face and get sick again and end up having another crappy diet day. I'm considering lowering cals just a little bit for the sake of my sanity and then bring them back up towards the end of the cycle possibly when I add in the Trest and winny . I'm at 4500 right now I'd probably go down to 3800 - 4000 over the next two weeks . Also rings me to my next point I'm still undecided about Trest I have it here but for some reason I want to save it for its own cycle but then again I wanna run it so bad lol i believe I'll make the decision when the test goes into full effect depending on how the results are. I have some dermacrine I might add 3 pumps just for additional help fighting the lethargy. To my experienced bros , When do you guys think k should start seeing the full effects of the test? Remember I'm at 440/week right now and About 3.75 weeks in .

Hit legs and shoulders today squats went up to 345x5 which felt amazing going back under something heavy . Standing Shoulder press went up to 165x3 trying to get on smith_69 shoulder level lol he's such a nice guy he sent me a couple extra bottles of dermarest he had laying around , it's a new brand but he said it's amazing pre workout Invalid Link Removed any reviews ? Lmao
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Lmfao. Bro Trest is awesome. You've got my vote to run it. It reminds me of the feeling that Test Ace and DHT kinda gives you. Alpha mixed with I wanna punch something.
 
Brandinooooo said:
Lmfao. Bro Trest is awesome. You've got my vote to run it. It reminds me of the feeling that Test Ace and DHT kinda gives you. Alpha mixed with I wanna punch something.
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Shiiittt and I was fcking with Epiandro and dermacrine on my LGD cycle... hindsights a beeeatch
 
Brandinooooo said:
Lmfao. Bro Trest is awesome. You've got my vote to run it. It reminds me of the feeling that Test Ace and DHT kinda gives you. Alpha mixed with I wanna punch something.
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Lol I'm on the verge I'm just concerned with the estrogen situation and since I'm running the test i feel as I would be better running it in a separate cycle. But I really want to run it now lol
 
Brandinooooo said:
Indeed. I was considering Tren but the aggression and me probably wouldn't be a good mix lol. Trest gives me a shorter fuse already.
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Yeah I mentor at-risk teens.. One got an attitude with me on a day I took some dbol.. lol. I might catch a child abuse case if I run tren
 
mmorso said:
I'm prob done with orals...
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Due to efficacy issues? possible hepa-toxicity (for some orals)? Are you considering going TD or pinned? I am trying to decide on something to run, which is why all of the questions :). Thanks! :)
 
Sparkss said:
Due to efficacy issues? possible hepa-toxicity (for some orals)? Are you considering going TD or pinned? I am trying to decide on something to run, which is why all of the questions :). Thanks! :)
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I made the decision to start pinning next cycle for both efficacy and health issues. I ran a long ass PH/SARM cycle this summer (16wk) and have put my body through hell. I think I'd have superior gains running AAS... I'm going to run 12 wks of test e at 500mg and will kickstart with dbol. So I guess I'm not entirely done with orals lol
 
bastard

lol
 
oh yea, theres something wrong alright lol

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lmao
 
Workout today was awesome fells woke up refreshed and ready to kill it. Took my wicked sample and had a kick ass workout
Deadlifts
135x12 185x10 225x8 295x6 335x4 375x2 (missed this two weeks ago so felt great seemed easy too) 315x5 225x8
Squats
225x8 x3
Leg curls 3x12
Db Lunges 3x10
Pull-ups 5x5
Pull downs
165x12 195x10 225x8 255x6+165x7
Close grip pulldowns
165x12 x3
Low cable rows
255x8 255x8 280x6
Db pullovers
65x10 x3
Abs and calves and got the fucc out lol felt great today energy feels like it's coming back just a little disappointed with weight gain so far as I haven't gained much and I'm eating so damn much.
Also, can anyone help me with this, Ive been waking up in the night feeling like I'm drowning. I can't breath and I feel like I'm underwater it's been since last week idk what it is sometimes I get really bad heartburn in the middle of the day but the night time part is killing me I feel like I'm submerged under water. Been pushing through t but it fuccing sucks
 
mmorso said:
Alpha1agreda; any other cardio-pulmonary symptoms such as fluid/phlegm in the lungs, shortness of breath, etc.?
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Shortness of breath yes but nothing else that I'm aware of, my buddy running it with me feels similar symptoms too , can't breath and heavy chest. It's nothing I'd cut the cycle off over it just sucks
 
Alpha1agreda said:
Shortness of breath yes but nothing else that I'm aware of, my buddy running it with me feels similar symptoms too , can't breath and heavy chest. It's nothing I'd cut the cycle off over it just sucks
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Huh, so it's def related to the gear if your buddy has it to... I had some lung sh1t like that happen were I had the drowning at night symptoms then it developed into pneumonia... long story short, the cause was an allergic reaction to something I was snorting
 
mmorso said:
Huh, so it's def related to the gear if your buddy has it to... I had some lung sh1t like that happen were I had the drowning at night symptoms then it developed into pneumonia... long story short, the cause was an allergic reaction to something I was snorting
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Lol haven't snorted nothing in a long time so not that. I believe it's BP related I'm gunna start tracking it now but I'm on CEL cycle assist so not too sure
 
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