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In case some of you wants to try blueprint for wide back, try this workout, it will feel awesome, give it a shot
 
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Going to check it out tonight in bed before sleepies and going to try it next back workout
Try to implement even that posing after each set... makes a big difference!
Btw, how's tren and rest of the stack going?
 
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Try to implement even that posing after each set... makes a big difference!
Btw, how's tren and rest of the stack going?
It’s something else bro. Like I already had a pretty good physique from my own perspective but everything is exploding right now and I’m only ending week 3 in 2 days. Tren fully kicked in now. I really don’t have any struggle with my attitude or anything the only thing I struggle with is a weird jittery feeling ... not physically but like.. within me haha. But everything is going smooth. Attitude still good, sleep is perfect, bp good, etc. I go hypo if I don’t eat enough or if I eat too much that’s about it. But oh Jesus my physique is exploding. Don’t wanna post pics here haha but I’m debating on starting a thread or not. Been thinking about it for 4 days.
 

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It’s something else bro. Like I already had a pretty good physique from my own perspective but everything is exploding right now and I’m only ending week 3 in 2 days. Tren fully kicked in now. I really don’t have any struggle with my attitude or anything the only thing I struggle with is a weird jittery feeling ... not physically but like.. within me haha. But everything is going smooth. Attitude still good, sleep is perfect, bp good, etc. I go hypo if I don’t eat enough or if I eat too much that’s about it. But oh Jesus my physique is exploding. Don’t wanna post pics here haha but I’m debating on starting a thread or not. Been thinking about it for 4 days.
Your arms and delts are looking great in your avatar! Definitely post up some pics.
 

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It’s something else bro. Like I already had a pretty good physique from my own perspective but everything is exploding right now and I’m only ending week 3 in 2 days. Tren fully kicked in now. I really don’t have any struggle with my attitude or anything the only thing I struggle with is a weird jittery feeling ... not physically but like.. within me haha. But everything is going smooth. Attitude still good, sleep is perfect, bp good, etc. I go hypo if I don’t eat enough or if I eat too much that’s about it. But oh Jesus my physique is exploding. Don’t wanna post pics here haha but I’m debating on starting a thread or not. Been thinking about it for 4 days.
What dose are you running? I believe you said you were going for 200mg a week?

I ran a 3 week test and mk cycle bwck in june but had to stop due to some lockdown measures. Started again a little while ago because of that sort of a photoshoot friend and i will be having, and a beach vacation.

I am running, like i said, a mini cycle, 60 mg test e and 15 mg tren a 4x a week, mk677 20mg 8 on 4 off, upping to 20mg tren next week, being very careful and dont want to exceed 300mg a week (my weird ass principles, dont feel like my current physique reflects the need for higher), enhanced "TRT" basically

I am only 12 days into my blast and only 3 injections of tren but i swear i can feel it that evening, it feels like i injected 200mg test, massive boost in well being and confidence and i am already seeing changes but those are more from tet and mk677 obviously.

Also that grounded aggression is way, way up. Kinda twisted in a sense haha
Also feeling hyperactive on the day of injection in the evening, but no issues sleeping as those are pussy ass doses.



Could be placebo, but i front loaded test a bit and since i am a high aromatizer started feeling emotional and a bit soft mentally, after adding tren i feel ON, like i said...could be placebo, idk.
 
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What dose are you running? I believe you said you were going for 200mg a week?

I ran a 3 week test and mk cycle bwck in june but had to stop due to some lockdown measures. Started again a little while ago because of that sort of a photoshoot friend and i will be having, and a beach vacation.

I am running, like i said, a mini cycle, 60 mg test e and 15 mg tren a 4x a week, mk677 20mg 8 on 4 off, upping to 20mg tren next week, being very careful and dont want to exceed 300mg a week (my weird ass principles, dont feel like my current physique reflects the need for higher), enhanced "TRT" basically

I am only 12 days into my blast and only 3 injections of tren but i swear i can feel it that evening, it feels like i injected 200mg test, massive boost in well being and confidence and i am already seeing changes but those are more from tet and mk677 obviously.

Also that grounded aggression is way, way up. Kinda twisted in a sense haha

Could be placebo, but i front loaded test a bit and since i am a high aromatizer started feeling emotional and a bit soft mentally, after adding tren i feel ON, like i said...could be placebo, idk.
I’m running 85mg eod 298mg weekly on average so lets day 300. 300test 300tren 600EQ. 15mg mk677 1mg GW. Im sure you’ll see great benefits with your cycle without all the darker sides.
 

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I’m running 85mg eod 298mg weekly on average so lets day 300. 300test 300tren 600EQ. 15mg mk677 1mg GW. Im sure you’ll see great benefits with your cycle without all the darker sides.
But you are running hex, right? This dosing schedule seems like ace but i remember hearing you went with hex.


yeah i will leave the higher dose for down the line when i get to train properly for months before the cycle etc...this is like an emergency patch up haha
 
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But you are running hex, right? This dosing schedule seems like ace but i remember hearing you went with hex.


yeah i will leave the higher dose for down the line when i get to train properly for months before the cycle etc...this is like an emergency patch up haha
Yep, hex. Only reason I go eod is I don’t wanna pin more than 1.1ml of tren at once, to avoid the cough. To reach 300mg a week pinning twice I would have to pin 2.2ml at once plus my eq and everything I’d have to pin like 5cc. I’m pinning 2.5cc eod(mixed everything) which is already high enough. Works like magic tho haven’t got the cough and I’m sure it’s completely avoidable that way
 
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It’s something else bro. Like I already had a pretty good physique from my own perspective but everything is exploding right now and I’m only ending week 3 in 2 days. Tren fully kicked in now. I really don’t have any struggle with my attitude or anything the only thing I struggle with is a weird jittery feeling ... not physically but like.. within me haha. But everything is going smooth. Attitude still good, sleep is perfect, bp good, etc. I go hypo if I don’t eat enough or if I eat too much that’s about it. But oh Jesus my physique is exploding. Don’t wanna post pics here haha but I’m debating on starting a thread or not. Been thinking about it for 4 days.
I'm really glad that you are having such a good run and I'm happy that tren turned out good for you like we spoke before your cycle man! You should definitely do some small log with progress pics!
 
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Yep, hex. Only reason I go eod is I don’t wanna pin more than 1.1ml of tren at once, to avoid the cough. To reach 300mg a week pinning twice I would have to pin 2.2ml at once plus my eq and everything I’d have to pin like 5cc. I’m pinning 2.5cc eod(mixed everything) which is already high enough. Works like magic tho haven’t got the cough and I’m sure it’s completely avoidable that way
I poked a blood vessel the other day, got a little head rush but no tren cough.
 
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@Alchemist11 im curious, how often do you have a cheat day / cheat meal? How many times a month or week haha do you allow yourself these 8 cookies or these 4 burgers etc?
 

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I poked a blood vessel the other day, got a little head rush but no tren cough.
I injected today in the quad, blood squirted out even though i aspirated properly, too many god damn veins on the surface to go through i guess.

But no cough.

Last time i injected i felt a tickle in my throat but that could very well be unrelated too.

Mixing with test of course.

Tren Ace, so most likely ester to get the cough from.
 
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I injected today in the quad, blood squirted out even though i aspirated properly, too many god damn veins on the surface to go through i guess.

But no cough.

Last time i injected i felt a tickle in my throat but that could very well be unrelated too.

Mixing with test of course.

Tren Ace, so most likely ester to get the cough from.
In the quads... bleh sounds scary to me
 

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In the quads... bleh sounds scary to me
Yep, right now i dont live alone so whenever i am home alone i go for the quads (which may be the most likely group to get thr cough from because of tons of vessels) to give my glutes some rest.

Because that way if i get the cough i dont have to explain why am i coughing like mad with all these syringes, needles, cotton balls and sh1t all over the place.
 
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Yep, right now i dont live alone so whenever i am home alone i go for the quads (which may be the most likely group to get thr cough from because of tons of vessels) to give my glutes some rest.

Because that way if i get the cough i dont have to explain why am i coughing like mad with all these syringes, needles, cotton balls and sh1t all over the place.
Ever tried the shoulders? Never tried but I’m tempted to. I have insulin needles I might work them up with that idk.
 
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I injected today in the quad, blood squirted out even though i aspirated properly, too many god damn veins on the surface to go through i guess.

But no cough.

Last time i injected i felt a tickle in my throat but that could very well be unrelated too.

Mixing with test of course.

Tren Ace, so most likely ester to get the cough from.
Yeah I think ace is the main culprit. Was pinning dorsal glute and halfway through the 2.5cc I experienced resistance pressure. Took thumb off plunger and blood shot back up into the luer like it was coming off a hydraulic system (which it basically was). Pulled pin out a 1/4” and sent the rest of it home. Got a real nice head rush, junkies would probably pay good money to match it, but no cough. Tasted a little metallic as well.
 

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Ever tried the shoulders? Never tried but I’m tempted to. I have insulin needles I might work them up with that idk.
I did with test and its painless but i am kinda nervous about injecting tren so close to my heart haha

perhaps right delt, we'll see

Also, infection there would be more problematic than one on glutes for example. This is my main concern.
 
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@Alchemist11 im curious, how often do you have a cheat day / cheat meal? How many times a month or week haha do you allow yourself these 8 cookies or these 4 burgers etc?
I'll be completely honest with you guys. I'm carb addict, I eat whenever I want and as much as my body needs it. I watch them like my main fuel, BUT somehow, I manage to time that carb intake mainly in first part of the day and I manage to burn that off during training later.
 
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So is the metallic taste when you have nicked a vein?

Pinned 1-test cyp the last 4 shots of this cycle I’m wrapping up (wanted to drop Mast due to itchy scalp but keep total mg up heading into contest) and seemed like 3/4 shots had some metallic taste in my mouth. Bit of a head rush now that you guys are saying it, kinda light headed for half a moment it felt like.

I also wanted to see if the pip was really so bad. It left some minor welts in half the shots but if you mix it with other oil & do your tissue work during mobility/warmups it’s nothing.
 

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So is the metallic taste when you have nicked a vein?

Pinned 1-test cyp the last 4 shots of this cycle I’m wrapping up (wanted to drop Mast due to itchy scalp but keep total mg up heading into contest) and seemed like 3/4 shots had some metallic taste in my mouth. Bit of a head rush now that you guys are saying it, kinda light headed for half a moment it felt like.

I also wanted to see if the pip was really so bad. It left some minor welts in half the shots but if you mix it with other oil & do your tissue work during mobility/warmups it’s nothing.
I dont know about this head rush but i would get that if i was anxious about pinning, like in the beginning. Or trying a new compound, new carrier, what if i go into anaphylaxis hahaha etc etc.

So for me it was 100% mental.

Also light headedness is one of the prime signs of an anxiety attack, i had those so i know exactly how they start.


You say contest?
Why am I feeling that you compete in powerlifting? I never discussed with you what are you competing in, just a hunch.

Btw @Hyde i am sick of my lagging arms and today i am going out of my way (usually i do full body) and i am going to concentrate on the arms only and i am going to cause massive, ennormous amount of inflammation in them.

I need to teach those sons a b1tches a lesson for not growing!
 
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I dont know about this head rush but i would get that if i was anxious about pinning, like in the beginning. Or trying a new compound, new carrier, what if i go into anaphylaxis hahaha etc etc.

So for me it was 100% mental.

Also light headedness is one of the prime signs of an anxiety attack, i had those so i know exactly how they start.


You say contest?
Why am I feeling that you compete in powerlifting? I never discussed with you what are you competing in, just a hunch.

Btw @Hyde i am sick of my lagging arms and today i am going out of my way (usually i do full body) and i am going to concentrate on the arms only and i am going to cause massive, ennormous amount of inflammation in them.

I need to teach those sons a b1tches a lesson for not growing!
I’m a strength athlete. I would definitely consider myself a fan of bodybuilding, but for me I really get satisfaction lifting new weights and feeling stronger. I have done 11 powerlifting meets and 5 strongman shows. My wife is a Pro strongwoman so I don’t even know how many I have handled her at by now. Most of hers being world level shows, which is an awesome learning environment.

I couldn’t tell you anything about getting great arms: mine are long for deadlifting. My wife has huge pipes but it’s largely her good genetics - she spends more time carrying kegs than curling dbs.
 

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I’m a strength athlete. I would definitely consider myself a fan of bodybuilding, but for me I really get satisfaction lifting new weights and feeling stronger. I have done 11 powerlifting meets and 5 strongman shows. My wife is a Pro strongwoman so I don’t even know how many I have handled her at by now. Most of hers being world level shows, which is an awesome learning environment.

I couldn’t tell you anything about getting great arms: mine are long for deadlifting. My wife has huge pipes but it’s largely her good genetics - she spends more time carrying kegs than curling dbs.
On me anyhting less than, i think 18.5 - 19 inches looks not that impressive, i have a long armspan, 6'9" (206cm).

17 3/4 is the largest i ever had, cold flexed. I was natty, barely 19 years old and 245-250 lbs, but not as lean hahaha of course.

@Alchemist11 once told me he improved his arms noticeably while only using hexarelin.
 
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Update time. Yesterday was last dose of Tren. Will continue with Test and Winstrol and hcg. Winstrol is really nice, dries you out, while strength is rising. Also, I've niticed I lost some water, stepped on scale today, and I gained 2 lbs... 198.5 lbs at the moment. Really pleased right now, and there is still more time for improvements. First pic is from this morning, others are after todays pull workout, pump was stupid...
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Your physique has always been well-shaped since I have seen your cycle logs here, but truly this cycle has probably been your greatest improvement - you have really moved into a new bracket, if you will. I am glad for you!
 

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You are about to start with anavar, right? I remember your last cycle when you added anavar your body went through almost an instant change, interested to see if it will happen now also.


Edit: oh i see you decided to go with winstrol instead.
 
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Your physique has always been well-shaped since I have seen your cycle logs here, but truly this cycle has probably been your greatest improvement - you have really moved into a new bracket, if you will. I am glad for you!
Thanks man, when I look, it's been a fun ride ever since my first log here. This time was moment where I said 'either I will step my game up or let it go'... It seems it slowly turns out well.
 
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You are about to start with anavar, right? I remember your last cycle when you added anavar your body went through almost an instant change, interested to see if it will happen now also.


Edit: oh i see you decided to go with winstrol instead.
There is a shortage of good Anavar, I'm waiting for it to come, if that happens in next week or two I'll switch to it
 
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There is a shortage of good Anavar, I'm waiting for it to come, if that happens in next week or two I'll switch to it
You’re really strong on orals you crazy mofo... anadrol into anavar into winny? 10-12 weeks orals?
 
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You’re really strong on orals you crazy mofo... anadrol into anavar into winny? 10-12 weeks orals?
My brother is veterinarian, and he's also into AAS and PED's, we run some tests since he has everything we need for that. All values have stayed within the range, guess I tolerate the fvck out of oral. And to be honest, harshest of all the orals during this cycle (by my feel right now) is Winstrol, but I don't plan to run it for long, 3 weeks max.
 
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My brother is veterinarian, and he's also into AAS and PED's, we run some tests since he has everything we need for that. All values have stayed within the range, guess I tolerate the fvck out of oral. And to be honest, harshest of all the orals during this cycle (by my feel right now) is Winstrol, but I don't plan to run it for long, 3 weeks max.
Yeah at the end of the day you obviously handle it well if you would feel like complete **** and your body would tell you it’s not liking it. You’re just so lucky haha. I can’t run orals anymore and won’t. Except maybe once a year. Except maybe superdrol next month. Ok back to bed.
 
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Yeah at the end of the day you obviously handle it well if you would feel like complete **** and your body would tell you it’s not liking it. You’re just so lucky haha. I can’t run orals anymore and won’t. Except maybe once a year. Except maybe superdrol next month. Ok back to bed.
If I had to choose 2 orals, I'd pick Superdrol and Anavar. Nothing more nothing less, just perfect for lean gains in one cycle
 
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If I had to choose 2 orals, I'd pick Superdrol and Anavar. Nothing more nothing less, just perfect for lean gains in one cycle
Yeah and I’m certain my first and only superdrol cycle last summer was underdosed. I’m sure it was superdrol because of the looks it gave to my physique but I didn’t feel lethargic at all or generally bad at all which knowing me I should of. Plus I didn’t blow up I gained a few lbs. My more trusted source sells it now
 
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Yeah and I’m certain my first and only superdrol cycle last summer was underdosed. I’m sure it was superdrol because of the looks it gave to my physique but I didn’t feel lethargic at all or generally bad at all which knowing me I should of. Plus I didn’t blow up I gained a few lbs. My more trusted source sells it now
It blows you up, but you keep some of it for sure, plus its fun how strength goes up on it
 

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There is a shortage of good Anavar, I'm waiting for it to come, if that happens in next week or two I'll switch to it
is that normal summer shortag3 due to all the bros running it to get shredded or is there sth more sinister at play? :eek:

If you happen to have any info that is,
 
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Yeah and I’m certain my first and only superdrol cycle last summer was underdosed. I’m sure it was superdrol because of the looks it gave to my physique but I didn’t feel lethargic at all or generally bad at all which knowing me I should of. Plus I didn’t blow up I gained a few lbs. My more trusted source sells it now
It blows you up, but you keep some of it for sure, plus its fun how strength goes up on it
is that normal summer shortag3 due to all the bros running it to get shredded or is there sth more sinister at play? :eek:

If you happen to have any info that is,
Nope, it's just just that Hungary closed borders, thats the main route that goods come in country but it should be here in 10 days or so..
 

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Not much, just little friday night pull workout pump...
This is one thing i always like when it comes to pumps on gear. For example you do a set of a chest exercise and yet your side and rear delts get pumped...and traps...and biceps...everything pops from just one set.

Hahaha makes you think when you are off "are these muscle groups even doing anything?" When you dont get a pump at all, or just barely feel anything even in the primary muscle being worked.


Those pumps really, really help with mmc. I remember when i was a teenager and all swole towards the end of my workout... i seemed to get a better feel for the muscle trained the more my workout progressed...hence at times i ended up doing 40 sets hahaha didnt want to go home because of amazing pumps
 
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Not for beginners brochacho. Gotta learn to walk before you try to run. Otherwise you’re going to trip and smash your face.
Lol, I know man, I was jk . Everything on tren is "Not for beginners" I'm too paranoid to do anything really. Primo seems amazing for beginners though
 
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Not for beginners brochacho. Gotta learn to walk before you try to run. Otherwise you’re going to trip and smash your face.
Yup, you better go tip toe, slowly with Tren, if you handle it well, you can enjoy all of its good sides. Remarkable drug, but you have to know what are you doing and all of its machanisms of action if someting goes wrong, like going hypo random during the day and so on...
 

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Yup, you better go tip toe, slowly with Tren, if you handle it well, you can enjoy all of its good sides. Remarkable drug, but you have to know what are you doing and all of its machanisms of action if someting goes wrong, like going hypo random during the day and so on...
I personally dont even think one needs to use it as a primary anabolic in one's cycle.

Just have it in there for its nutrient partitioning effects, just like you have test in there for basic bodily functions and e2.

But from what i have seen on this puny ass dose i see no reason why i shouldnt include it in my future cycles, not necessarily throughout the whole duration of the blast, but you know, to have it in there at a conservative dose.

Sides are really low at 15 mg ED (that is somewhat similar to 150mg of hex as far as active compound goes, which is what you used for your first round with tren). A little bit of insomnia and sweating during the night, i get slight hypo episodes but they dont seem to be so sudden as i used to get while using mk677 and then having a dextrose pwo. No cold sweat or shaking as with mk677/dextrose pwo, nothing like that, just feeling tired.

But mentally its nothing like mast, which put me in a dark mood at doses as low as 100mg a week. I feel good.
 
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I personally dont even think one needs to use it as a primary anabolic in one's cycle.

Just have it in there for its nutrient partitioning effects, just like you have test in there for basic bodily functions and e2.

But from what i have seen on this puny ass dose i see no reason why i shouldnt include it in my future cycles, not necessarily throughout the whole duration of the blast, but you know, to have it in there at a conservative dose.

Sides are really low at 15 mg ED (that is somewhat similar to 150mg of hex as far as active compound goes, which is what you used for your first round with tren). A little bit of insomnia and sweating during the night, i get slight hypo episodes but they dont seem to be so sudden as i used to get while using mk677 and then having a dextrose pwo. No cold sweat or shaking as with mk677/dextrose pwo, nothing like that, just feeling tired.

But mentally its nothing like mast, which put me in a dark mood at doses as low as 100mg a week. I feel good.
From what I've seen so far, that theory about active compound dosage depending of its ester it's pure bullshyt.
It just doesn't work that way, it's not that exact. But, since Tren is so strong, he himself almost always goes out as main compound, no mater how little of it you use
 
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Lol, I know man, I was jk . Everything on tren is "Not for beginners" I'm too paranoid to do anything really. Primo seems amazing for beginners though
You would not be the first beginner who uses Tren right out of the gates because they’ve seen “all teh gainz” people can make. Problem is, it can be tough actually and psychologically to continue to progress without continuing to just use larger amounts of Tren. And then where do you go?
 
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You would not be the first beginner who uses Tren right out of the gates because they’ve seen “all teh gainz” people can make. Problem is, it can be tough actually and psychologically to continue to progress without continuing to just use larger amounts of Tren. And then where do you go?
Yep. Using too much too soon is the biggest factor of why it’s stupid, that and not being able to understand and control sides. What room do you have left for future cycle if you already used what’s strongest. No room at all. Plus I can attest tren is a beast. I’m week 5 in my first cycle and it’s not easy every day. No sleep problems here, I can’t even explain what is it. It’s just tough man, imo it takes an experienced user and somebody mentally strong to survive tren at a decent dosage.
 

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