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Unanswered Alchemist's lean mass cycle (SD, Primo, Tren Hex and Var)

Alchemist11 said:
Yeah, it's healing properties are really good. It also regenerates tendons and ligaments, awesome stuff. And it really helps you to directly bring up lagging muscle groups
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Yes sir! Seems to be an amazing healing compound . Only issue is that it can increase prolactin and cortisol
 
Iwilleattuna said:
What are you using for PCT?
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I haven't felt or seen rise in cortisol or prolactin on it, and yet I've used it a lot of time and at high dosages.
Nolvadex, mk-677, Igf-1 lr3 in first month, then I switch to Hexarelin, and rotated those two, and some good GDA supp. Also, I like to throw in ghrp 6 with cjc-1295 for hunger and better regeneration with other peptides
 
Alchemist11 said:
I haven't felt or seen rise in cortisol or prolactin on it, and yet I've used it a lot of time and at high dosages.
Nolvadex, mk-677, Igf-1 lr3 in first month, then I switch to Hexarelin, and rotated those two, and some good GDA supp. Also, I like to throw in ghrp 6 with cjc-1295 for hunger and better regeneration with other peptides
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Is the fast acting insulin a no-no when it comes to contest prep?

Cortisol rise is i think no biggie if you are on aas...you can always throw in some ashwagandha or perhaps something like adrenosterone.

Prolactin is a mfer when it comes to gyno but other than that it has no hindering impact on gains.
 
CroLifter said:
Is the fast acting insulin a no-no when it comes to contest prep?

Cortisol rise is i think bo biggie if you are on aas...you can always throw in soe ashwagandha or perhaps something like adrenosterone.
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Big no-no.
If you do things seriously with igf-1, even that craves a lot of carbs, I don't want to even think what real insulin is like, at this point of my training and age
 
Alchemist11 said:
Big no-no.
If you do things seriously with igf-1, even that craves a lot of carbs, I don't want to even think what real insulin is like, at this point of my training and age
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Oh sh1t i somehow overlooked that you are using igf .


Btw how do you like igf1 compared to mk/peps?

I personally found mgf intereseting, pinned post workout into muscle groups i wanted to make bigger.
 
As my cycle is close to it's peak, I have to say one thing. The real power and in the same time the best thing with Tren is it's nutrition partitioning aspect. If you work intense, eat enough, you can see yourself grow day by day and still remain lean. It adds muscle fairly easely if you push yourself hard enough and feed it enough. Strength aspect is also nice, but the first part is insane.
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Alchemist11 said:
Luckily we get along just fine
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Because you are using what would most consider a conservative dose and the longest ester avilable, so your blood concentration will never reach that of someone even doing 50mg of ace eod.

Just looking at the graph showing eod acetate injections enormous fluctuations can be seen.
 
CroLifter said:
Because you are using what would most consider a conservative dose and the longest ester avilable, so your blood concentration will never reach that of someone even doing 50mg of ace eod.

Just looking at the graph showing eod acetate injections enormous fluctuations can be seen.
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Thats the whole fvcking point. To use the most out of the least possible. Don't know why people consider that 'unordinary' or odd.
 
CroLifter said:
Because you are using what would most consider a conservative dose and the longest ester avilable, so your blood concentration will never reach that of someone even doing 50mg of ace eod.

Just looking at the graph showing eod acetate injections enormous fluctuations can be seen.
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Not everyone can handle tren e or hex because the sides. Ace works quick but I personally don’t think it’s as effective more useful if you prepping.
 
Cmseabee24 said:
Not everyone can handle tren e or hex because the sides. Ace works quick but I personally don’t think it’s as effective more useful if you prepping.
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It is the same hormone, just the speed of delivery varies.

Ace has the most active compound (ace 87% e 70% and hex 60-65%, cant remember) per mg so logically it is going to come with greater sides than e or hex at the same dose, even if it is pinned ed.

People usually report fastest and largest gains with ace, but also most sides. Makes sense. 150 ace = 200-225 hex when it comes to active compound.
 
Last night, I had empy gym for myself and if was one intense pull day.
Wide grip lat pull down
15, 15, 15, 15 plus drop 12
Underhand BB row
12, 12, 12, 10 plus drop 10
Supersetted with
Incline bench upper back DB squeze
12, 12, 12, 12
Hammer grip seated cable row
16, 14, 12, 10 plus drop 12
Incline reverse seated close grip pull down
15, 15, 15, 15
Underhand lat pulldown
3 x 12
Barbell drag curl
12, 10, 8, 6, 6
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My damn gym closed at 1pm, so had to get the morning workout in, and performance wise i am always better in the evenings.

I see that you are sticking to 10+ reps. I grow better at that rep range, but i gain/maintain strength better at 5 reps. So now i am training at 5 reps as i am trying to maintain as much strength as possible, which i am able to like germany was able to hold its ground in early 1945.
Also getting soft and flabby😆.

But when i get back on i am switching back to higher reps. Strength is going to go up regardless and it might be a good idea not to test my luck, as the strength explosion from 500 test almost left me injured.
 
CroLifter said:
My damn gym closed at 1pm, so had to get the morning workout in, and performance wise i am always better in the evenings.

I see that you are sticking to 10+ reps. I grow better at that rep range, but i gain/maintain strength better at 5 reps. So now i am training at 5 reps as i am trying to maintain as much strength as possible, which i am able to like germany was able to hold its ground in early 1945.
Also getting soft and flabby😆.

But when i get back on i am switching back to higher reps. Strength is going to go up regardless and it might be a good idea not to test my luck, as the strength explosion from 500 test almost left me injured.
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Luckily I got the key from whole gym lol
It's proven that as day goes, your body temperature rises and thats directly corelated with perfrormance. Supposedly, performance is the best 8-10 hour after wakening.
Well, I like high reps, I think it's nice way to develop flow of the pshysique and details. Also, since i started to be mainly in 10+ range, my strength went up for nice %
 
As if todays start od the new year, weight is 196 lbs, out of the bed, flat and raw. Going to push it extra hard in next 4-5 weeks and see where its going to take me.
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Alchemist11 said:
Yeah, Tren really loves carbs, just like Superdrol, but still, I think my body reacts really well to carbs, even when I'm in pct or after. I just use them as fuel and there is not much left fot fat storage.
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Great gains again👏 I have to say the mistake I wlways did for years was to think carbs were bad but now I eat 2 big jacket potatoes before gym with whole tin of beans and 250g of pasta after with a tin of tuna and tons of cheese to carbs have Helped me get more energy etc but also increased my appetite as I literally had none and would rely on shakes for extra calories. My progress on my cycle is great with the added carbs too I feel a different person since my avatar pic :)
 

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LondonerTWBULLY said:
Great gains again👏 I have to say the mistake I wlways did for years was to think carbs were bad but now I eat 2 big jacket potatoes before gym with whole tin of beans and 250g of pasta after with a tin of tuna and tons of cheese to carbs have Helped me get more energy etc but also increased my appetite as I literally had none and would rely on shakes for extra calories. My progress on my cycle is great with the added carbs too I feel a different person since my avatar pic :)
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Hahahaha i know that feeling when test kicks in and you get all full and sh1t...it is amazing.

yep i am an advocate of high carb low fat diets, definitely works for me and helps keep my lipids in range even on cycle.
 
jdey12 said:
Mirroring the results bro! Keep it up, the results speak for themselves
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Thanks man, I appreciate the support
LondonerTWBULLY said:
Great gains again👏 I have to say the mistake I wlways did for years was to think carbs were bad but now I eat 2 big jacket potatoes before gym with whole tin of beans and 250g of pasta after with a tin of tuna and tons of cheese to carbs have Helped me get more energy etc but also increased my appetite as I literally had none and would rely on shakes for extra calories. My progress on my cycle is great with the added carbs too I feel a different person since my avatar pic :)
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Great progress man, keep it up!
I always say that carbs are actually anabolic and I think they are as important as protein. You just have to understand how to use them
 
I remember watching the vid from tony huge on youtube where they talked about tren and he said how he doesnt like it very much because of side effects but cant dispute the nutrient partitioning effects.
And the conclusion was to include it at a lower dose of around 150mg per week for nutrient partitioning effects and run other less toxic compounds higher for growth.

I am "you need nothing but test guy" but starting to accept the reality that stacking is much more effective.

And therefore this time around i will run a bunch of compounds to be able to compare to test only, although total dosages used will be similar.
 
whoever said a longer ester as the same side as a short ester is wrong and needs to stop looking at online charts. Tren A and tren E do not fucking have the same sides because the build up is not the same. Does NPP have the same sides as deca because they are both the same nandrolone? Absolutely fucking not.
 
Mathb33 said:
whoever said a longer ester as the same side as a short ester is wrong and needs to stop looking at online charts. Tren A and tren E do not fucking have the same sides because the build up is not the same. Does NPP have the same sides as deca because they are both the same nandrolone? Absolutely fucking not.
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Thanks as I’ve had this question. You hear so many different opinions on this.
 
Mathb33 said:
whoever said a longer ester as the same side as a short ester is wrong and needs to stop looking at online charts. Tren A and tren E do not fucking have the same sides because the build up is not the same. Does NPP have the same sides as deca because they are both the same nandrolone? Absolutely fucking not.
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Yes, this. That's why's Tren with Hex ester more expensive than Enanthate or Acetate. It's made for humans.
 
Iwilleattuna said:
You’re making solid progress man And going to compete . Very motivating and informative
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Thanks man, I love the energy here and we are all here to share knowledge and experiences.
And as far as Tren Hex goes, apparently Hex ester has the least aggressive rate of release for humans hence making minor chance of sides. Thats why I pick Tren hex
 
Iwilleattuna said:
Thanks as I’ve had this question. You hear so many different opinions on this.
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You just need to be careful with people who read doctors study and don’t understand half of it and then interpret it the way they want and can. Studies are good and extremely useful but some people get lost in it. real life use and decades of logs will mostly all the time show the real picture. Short and long ester are chemically similar but are going to affect you differently. Even more so nandrolones.
 
Mathb33 said:
You just need to be careful with people who read doctors study and don’t understand half of it and then interpret it the way they want and can. Studies are good and extremely useful but some people get lost in it. real life use and decades of logs will mostly all the time show the real picture. Short and long ester are chemically similar but are going to affect you differently. Even more so nandrolones.
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I agree 100% . Real life > studies. Studies are just a tool but they never really apply to real life. Plus, most studies have an underlying ulterior motive
 
Alchemist11 said:
Thanks man, I love the energy here and we are all here to share knowledge and experiences.
And as far as Tren Hex goes, apparently Hex ester has the least aggressive rate of release for humans hence making minor chance of sides. Thats why I pick Tren hex
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Same here man I love AM. And awesome, I’ll keep that in mind .
 
Another awesome pull day. Wanted today to focus on details, but after that I complitely went ape shiit on my back and even did 6-7 sets of deadlifts. Strength is improving week by week and overall muscle mass is getting more solid, I really like that. I really satisfied with how things are going. And the best part of this whole cycle is that I feel great on it. Also, my biceps seem to respond really good on a lot of different aproaches when training them. Also, I was conserned that my apetite will be suppressed, but it's complitely opposite. I'm constantly hungry, and to be honest, that really makes me motivated even more when I see some of the results.
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Another update time. This was from yesterday, Legs and Arms workout. Thinks are going really nice. I have to say, I haven't even think about my apetite on this cycle, but this is really surprising for me. I'm constantly hungry and it's not even hard for me to eat a bit cleaner with all this apetite.
Here is the workout
Seated leg curl machine
18, 16, 14, 12 plus drop set of 12
Leg extension machine
4 x 15 plus drop set od 15
Barbell squat
12, 10, 8, 8, 7, 12
Supersetted with walking lundges
4 x 12
BB Hip thruast
12, 10, 8, 8, 8
Narrow stance Goblet squat
3 x 12
Quad side cable pull
3 x 15
Calves on leg press
4 x 18
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You have gotten really thick especially in the shoulders and arms...i think you should try an all out bulker some time after the comp, after a nice and long break, as you said you want to take time of gear.

Wondering how a classic test/deca blast would treat you.
 
CroLifter said:
You have gotten really thick especially in the shoulders and arms...i think you should try an all out bulker some time after the comp, after a nice and long break, as you said you want to take time of gear.

Wondering how a classic test/deca blast would treat you.
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Well, since I still plan to play volleyball, bulker is not an option, nor I like that aproach. And as far as deca goes, it's the only compound that I'm afraid of. But I'll research more about it and try to learn as much as I can. NPP seems beter that longestered one
 
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Night and day difference, wow nice work bro. You are clearly thicker, leaner and denser. Won’t lie , though. Your upper body over powers your legs to a large degree.
 
Iwilleattuna said:
Night and day difference, wow nice work bro. You are clearly thicker, leaner and denser. Won’t lie , though. Your upper body over powers your legs to a large degree.
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Well it depends of angle of the pics, but I often think is the opposite lol
Bummer was that I haven't been able to do legs properly for month and a half. But it's all about perspective
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