Unanswered Alchemist's lean mass cycle (SD, Primo, Tren Hex and Var)

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Well, since I still plan to play volleyball, bulker is not an option, nor I like that aproach. And as far as deca goes, it's the only compound that I'm afraid of. But I'll research more about it and try to learn as much as I can. NPP seems beter that longestered one
NPP is cleaner than you think brother. Also the cycle is shorter so your body is under stress for a smaller amount of time. My gains were so clean on NPP seriously its no joke. We both have a similar genetic and it’s a perfect compound for us. Anyways if you ever try it let me know!!
 
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NPP is cleaner than you think brother. Also the cycle is shorter so your body is under stress for a smaller amount of time. My gains were so clean on NPP seriously its no joke. We both have a similar genetic and it’s a perfect compound for us. Anyways if you ever try it let me know!!
Yeah, I've seen that you',ve said that its nice compound. We'll have conversation about soon!
 
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Last night I took last injection of Tren for this cycle. Things are really starting to polish of, while strength is still rising. Recovery is great, intenisty is kept high. So far, not bad. But as the time goes, I'm setting a bar higher and try to go harder every day.
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Looking great brother. What else u got left for this cycle?
 
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Looking great brother. What else u got left for this cycle?
Thanks man, well Anavar for around 4 more weeks, and one Sustanon shot (250 mg) and one Primo, on sunday probably. After that, I'll increase a bit hcg to take the last out of the Tren with some estrogen from hcg and after that, goes pct with peptides
 
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How shredded do you think you need to be for your comp?
Well, don't know that, I've never tried to dry myself to see where I'd be at certan moment... I'll have a few talks about that also with my gym owner
 
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Since this log is open for every topic that we can think of lol
I decided to share one thought with you that hit me today.
In one of his books, Dan Duchaine said that if you don't grow on Tren, Anadrol and Test stack, you won't grow on anything and BB isn't for you.
That leads us to conclusion, as we all know, Anadrol converts to some fvcked up super form of estrogen, its not just ordinary aromatisation, and, as I aplied that in my previous and this cycle, Tren loves Estrogen.
So, there it is guys, reciepe for gains, but only if you can manage rage and aggression from Anadrol and some other sides from Tren and also Estrogen.
 

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Yep, ai's are not to be abused. Tbh if i had done lasting damage to my body during last cycle then it is likely from abuse of ai's.

Next cycle i am ditching aromasin and going with proviron. Both fuk with lipids so why not at least use something that doesnt decrease igf 1.
What kind of lasting damage? I have always used Aromasin for an AI and haven’t had any problems getting my HDL back up with the help of niacin.
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What kind of lasting damage? I have always used Aromasin for an AI and haven’t had any problems getting my HDL back up with the help of niacin.
I wanted to say that if got some plaque as a result of this cycle it is probably due to aromasin abuse, as test by itself doesnt put my lipids out of range.
 
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I dont agree with all the current fear of AIs...

There are alot of highly respected HRT docs that prescribe them to all of their patients to keep their estrogen in a certain range. High estrogen in men is horrible for our health. It activates certain cells; leading to potential prostate cancer.

And there is alot of debate of how much cholesterol levels even contribute to plaque build up. I say take the AI, and keep estrogen in check. I like mine around 20 to 30.
 
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It's time for update and nudes!
Since I bulked up fairly more than I even expected, I thought that I wouldn't be able to pull off that grainy, freaky, vascular look. BUT, as I said that I will increase hcg dosage to use whats left of Tren in my system with it, and I stopped taking Proviron because of that. I took a bit higher hcg dosage last night, and today was, IF NOT THE MOST INSANE workout I've ever had in terms of looks, strength, vascularity and even feeling really good. Today was Legs and Arms. As you can see bf% is going down and arms are growing. And back is getting thicker.
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I dont think proviron or any dht for that matter would have negative impact on tren/e2 synergy as they unlike AI's do not stop aromatization from taking place.

But, if you decided to take it out because of lipid concerns, fine.
 
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I dont think proviron or any dht for that matter would have negative impact on tren/e2 synergy as they unlike AI's do not stop aromatization from taking place.

But, if you decided to take it out because of lipid concerns, fine.
Somehow my lipids always stay in range, crazy... But I do think that Proviron could harm the synergy... I saw that to be true in less than 12 hours lol
I exploded in strength and vascularity today after doing that
 

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I wanted to say that if got some plaque as a result of this cycle it is probably due to aromasin abuse, as test by itself doesnt put my lipids out of range.
Okay I see. Lots of talk now about AI’s being evil and I agree that Arimidex and letro are nasty, however Exemestane is much more friendly to the body and as long as a person isn’t taking too much and tanking their estrogen, then I don’t see a problem.
 
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Okay I see. Lots of talk now about AI’s being evil and I agree that Arimidex and letro are nasty, however Exemestane is much more friendly to the body and as long as a person isn’t taking too much and tanking their estrogen, then I don’t see a problem.
What's nasty about Arimidex?
 
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Okay I see. Lots of talk now about AI’s being evil and I agree that Arimidex and letro are nasty, however Exemestane is much more friendly to the body and as long as a person isn’t taking too much and tanking their estrogen, then I don’t see a problem.
From what I've seen, Arimidex seems to be better for your body, it does not affect lipids as much as Aromasin, per example.
 

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From what I've seen, Arimidex seems to be better for your body, it does not affect lipids as much as Aromasin, per example.
Interesting, i heard people and doctors say that either
1)no difference between them
2)aromasin is a little easier on lipids

but never that adex is easier. Adex and letro are supposed to be the harsh ones, and letro being the forerunner.

at the end of my cycle i was running the highest doses, 500 test 200 mast and found out my estro was very high. I started taking aromasin @ 25mg ed!

After about 2 weeks i went to see how my lipids look and was surprised to see that everything was in range.

So either aromasin is not that harsh or i am just not prone to lipid problems.
But that is why i have to get [email protected]#$%@ irregular heartbeat.
 
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Interesting, i heard people and doctors say that either
1)no difference between them
2)aromasin is a little easier on lipids

but never that adex is easier. Adex and letro are supposed to be the harsh ones, and letro being the forerunner.
It all comes down to presonal preference
 

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Btw i am interested to see what your non-AAS contest prep stack will be, and how you will fare on it.
 
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Btw i am interested to see what your non-AAS contest prep stack will be, and how you will fare on it.
Me too, lol
Last night I took last injection of Primo and Sustanon, now just Anavar and hcg for few weeks. After that, Nolvadex, Zinc, Clomid, peptides and other fun stuff.
 

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Me too, lol
Last night I took last injection of Primo and Sustanon, now just Anavar and hcg for few weeks. After that, Nolvadex, Zinc, Clomid, peptides and other fun stuff.
Will you be running mast or proviron into the show? I think you will miss on some hardness if you dont.
Proviron seems to be ideal in this situation as it works almost instantly.
 
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Will you be running mast or proviron into the show? I think you will miss on some hardness if you dont.
Proviron seems to be ideal in this situation as it works almost instantly.
I considered proviron at 25 mg during pct.
And high Masteron and low trt Test dose seems just fine for that
 
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Today was short but intense shoulder day and it was crazy. Vascularity, strength, even muscle endurance was really good. High reps, a lot of squeezing, a lot of pain, but it was worth it. After that, I ate god knows how much food.
Can't wait for push day tomorrow.
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You get the award for best thread. I only can stop by a few minutes a day on AM and you always have updates, progress pics, and I’m always dumbfounded how well you seem to improve with every week. As always brother, keep up the impressive work.
 
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You get the award for best thread. I only can stop by a few minutes a day on AM and you always have updates, progress pics, and I’m always dumbfounded how well you seem to improve with every week. As always brother, keep up the impressive work.
Thank you my brother, this is actually a big cimpliment to me and my work. Yes, there is a lot of pics, updates, but I really just want to somehow educate more and more people with my example, and as far as I have time, I like to update things here, especially now in final weeks when changes are daily. These two pics are with somewhat better camera form todays push workout.
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Thank you my brother, this is actually a big cimpliment to me and my work. Yes, there is a lot of pics, updates, but I really just want to somehow educate more and more people with my example, and as far as I have time, I like to update things here, especially now in final weeks when changes are daily. These two pics are with somewhat better camera form todays push workout.
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Maybe it’s just me, but including your head seems to make you look a lot bigger. Before, I could tell you had great shape and definition, but seeing your head for scale, you’re freaking huge!
 

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Bro these two last pictures are on another level. Weight right now? Also what’s your height again? Anyways congrats bro. I got to say you’re great motivation to me. I hate to see you get so ahead of me haha
 
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Bro these two last pictures are on another level. Weight right now? Also what’s your height again? Anyways congrats bro. I got to say you’re great motivation to me. I hate to see you get so ahead of me haha
Thank you all guys, you are all great motivation and reason more to do better with every session. And I keep pushing my limits, and keeping intesity high. But I have to admit, these 2 pics are good example to show what I do and what I want. Weight is currently today 195lbs, and I'm 183-4 cm-6 feet or something like that. Can't wait to show you all some back gains in next days.
 

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The 1st out of 2 last photos looks like future magazine cover to me!

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Hahahahah btw listening to some tunes and right at the moment when i saw the pic the lyrics said "cocaine".
 
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Nice bro. What would you estimate your BF at? 10-11%?
Yeah, something like that, but I'll start finally with cardio tomorrow so it will be low as fvck in 2 weeks. It's hard to say exact %, since veins are starting to pop everywhere, but that can be deceiving.
 
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The 1st out of 2 last photos looks like future magazine cover to me!

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Hahahahah btw listening to some tunes and right at the moment when i saw the pic the lyrics said "cocaine".
Hopefully with some less reterded face expression on it lol
 
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Do you even lift bro???
 
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Jesus. I’ve been on here 10 years bro. I’ve maybe seen genetics and progress like that once or twice. You should really pursue this competitively if that interests you. You respond to all this on a level that’s superior to 99% of us.
 
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Jesus. I’ve been on here 10 years bro. I’ve maybe seen genetics and progress like that once or twice. You should really pursue this competitively if that interests you. You respond to all this on a level that’s superior to 99% of us.
Thanks man, thats really nice statement. During this cycle, I've seen that I maybe have what it takes to at least try to compete with others. Don't know how I managed all of this, but I've put my head down, did the work, did my research and I was 'crazy' enough to aply most of that on myself. It turned out great so far. This really means a lot from all of you guys and I'm happy to be part of this forum
 
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Are you planning on doing any bloodwork soon? Just to check general health...lipids, liver health, CBC, etc
 

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Are you planning on doing any bloodwork soon? Just to check general health...lipids, liver health, CBC, etc
And post the results! We have seen that gear treats you well on the outside, lets see how it treats you on the inside!

Also i would look into getting an echo (ultrasound) of the heart periodically, to check for abnormal heart growth, lvh...

I mean you are not running high doses of testosterone (dht is speculated to be main offender here when it comes to heart remodelling) but still, you should get a general idea on your heart health.
 
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Are you planning on doing any bloodwork soon? Just to check general health...lipids, liver health, CBC, etc
Yes, I'm planning to do full panel by the end of the month.
I posted in one of my logs what my bloodwork was for my surgery, and at that time, I was on 600 mg Test, Trenavar 105 mg and Turinabol before Trenavar at 40-50 mg, all of it was in range (that was important bc total anesthesia), so I respond well on all of these chemicals. But we we'll see this time also
 
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What are your thoughts on dhb and eq fella?
Eq is awesome, but only after 6 week, it gave me hared look, more vascular, but the only negative thing (for us who are not on trt) is that it stays sooo long in your system. And as far as dhb, I've interested in that one, but everyone seem like they stop carring about it, maybe bc of pip. To me, it seems like crossover between tren and primo combined
 

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