Airborne's Quest to PowerLifting (and whatever he's on ATM)

thyrod said:
Got my deer hunt in 2 weeks. I'll be very pleased to have a lot of deer meat ^^
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Back strap is my favorite cut. Breaded and fried = scrumptious.
 
AZMIDLYF said:
My pre meal is usually 1/2 cup oatmeal with dried cherries mixed with my milk/orange creamsicle whey. Craving now!!
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Frank Reynolds said:
Im not sure where Kleen was going with his statement because there are a few reasons one may choose to limit carbs in that situation.

However some general thoughts on fat/carbs is.

1. Limit dietary fat in the presence of high levels of insulin. Dietary fat will be more easily transported to adipose tissue.

2. Add fats to carb meals in order to slow digestion and have a more stable rise in blood sugar.

I personally always add fats to carb meals. However if I'm doing a "refeed" where insulin levels are going to be extreme I try and limit fat as best I can.

My pre wo meal is actually much like what AZ describes. Raisin bread + butter or cream of rice with butter/coconut oil.
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Thx Frank.

My pre meal as of late has been a banana and a couple scoops of peanut butter.
 
Frank Reynolds said:
Im not sure where Kleen was going with his statement because there are a few reasons one may choose to limit carbs in that situation.

However some general thoughts on fat/carbs is.

1. Limit dietary fat in the presence of high levels of insulin. Dietary fat will be more easily transported to adipose tissue.

2. Add fats to carb meals in order to slow digestion and have a more stable rise in blood sugar.

I personally always add fats to carb meals. However if I'm doing a "refeed" where insulin levels are going to be extreme I try and limit fat as best I can.

My pre wo meal is actually much like what AZ describes. Raisin bread + butter or cream of rice with butter/coconut oil.
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My apologies, I should have stated not to take in a lot of saturated fats with a lot of high glycemic carbs. Saturated Fats do not require any conversion to be stored when insulin is shuttling them into storage, but unsaturated whether poly or mono are required to go through a conversion to be stored as fat. The body does not even begin to convert poly and monounsaturated fats for storage until glycogen stores are filled. The one main exception to that rule would be coconut oil which is a saturated fat but is also almost all Medium Chain Triglycerides which is the form that the body needs fat to be in to be readily used as energy. So they will be burned off faster than they can be converted and stored.

Interestingly enough Frank there is a study showing that fat does not slow the insulin response of carbohydrates. I would have to dig it up but I was amazed by this. Now a large meal containing fat the bolus entry to the intestines is constricted making it smaller to allow proper digestion which slows the digestion process down but the fat content of the meal appears to not slow the insulin reaction as much as one would think. I believe they use 50g of carbs from oats and then 50 grams of carbs with 50 grams of fats from butter and go the same insulin response. I will have to see if I can locate it.
 
Between LTL and I thread... This is very educational and I greatly appreciate it!
 
MrKleen73 said:
Interestingly enough Frank there is a study showing that fat does not slow the insulin response of carbohydrates. I would have to dig it up but I was amazed by this. Now a large meal containing fat the bolus entry to the intestines is constricted making it smaller to allow proper digestion which slows the digestion process down but the fat content of the meal appears to not slow the insulin reaction as much as one would think. I believe they use 50g of carbs from oats and then 50 grams of carbs with 50 grams of fats from butter and go the same insulin response. I will have to see if I can locate it.
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Interesting. Did they also monitor blood sugar?
 
My high school teacher... Powerlifts as well... Was going heavy till he felt a pinch and burn which left him to not bench that day. Any ideas?
 
Just cut this past weekends up, get a deer a week on average, freezer needs to be stocked by Jan 1st


The backstraps
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And my student, she wanted to learn how to process

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Frank Reynolds said:
Interesting. Did they also monitor blood sugar?
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Yes, I think I just found it but it was potato. The study I found is on NIDDM people but the Objective also states the same findings of normal people. Basically in a normal person the insulin response is the same or higher however the blood sugar levels were lower.

The results for the NIDDM (Diabetic) were obviously somewhat different with a higher glucose levels in the blood, and even higher insulin secretion.

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[h=1]Effect of added fat on plasma glucose and insulin response to ingested potato in individuals with NIDDM.[/h]Invalid Link Removed, Invalid Link Removed, Invalid Link Removed, Invalid Link Removed.
[h=3]Source[/h]Metabolic Research Laboratory, Minneapolis Veterans Affairs Medical Center, MN 55417.

[h=3]Abstract[/h][h=4]OBJECTIVE:[/h]In normal subjects, ingestion of butter with potato resulted in considerably lower blood glucose levels but similar or higher insulin concentrations compared with those observed in the same subjects after potato ingestion alone. We determined whether butter ingested with potato would result in a greater stimulation in insulin secretion than ingestion of potato alone in subjects with NIDDM.
[h=4]RESEARCH DESIGN AND METHODS:[/h]Seven male subjects with untreated NIDDM ingested 50 g CHO alone or 50 g CHO with 5, 15, 30, or 50 g fat as a breakfast meal. Fat was ingested in the form of butter, and CHO was given in the form of potato. Subjects received 50 g glucose on two separate occasions for comparative purposes. The subjects also were given only water and were studied over the same time period (water control). Plasma glucose, glucagon, alpha-amino nitrogen, nonesterified fatty acids, serum insulin, C-peptide, and triglyceride concentrations were determined over 5 h. The integrated area responses were quantified over the 5-h period using the water control as a baseline.
[h=4]RESULTS:[/h]The mean plasma glucose area response after ingestion of potato with or without the various amounts of butter were all similar and were 82% of that observed after ingestion of 50 g glucose. The mean insulin area response to potato alone was 532 pmol.h.L-1. The mean insulin area responses to potato plus 5,15,30, and 50 g of fat meals were 660,774,750, and 756 pmol.h.L-1, respectively. Thus, the mean insulin areas were all greater than for ingestion of potato alone, and a maximal response was observed with addition of 15 g fat (1.4-fold). The C-peptide data did not confirm an increase in insulin secretion. Overall the area responses after ingestion of meals containing fat were not different from the response to potato ingestion alone, although the responses were erratic. The glucagon area response was positive after ingestion of all fat containing meals except for that containing only 5 g fat, and there was a dose-response relationship. The plasma alpha-amino nitrogen and nonesterified fatty acid area responses were negative after potato ingestion and were not significantly different when fat was added. The serum triglyceride concentration increase was greater after the ingestion of butter with the potato as expected.
[h=4]CONCLUSIONS:[/h]In contrast to the results in normal subjects after ingestion of butter with potato, the glucose response was not smaller in subjects with NIDDM. The insulin response was greater. The insulin area response data indicated the presence of a dose-response relationship. Whether similar responses will be observed with other dietary fat and CHO sources remains to be determined.

PMID:8325201 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
 
MrKleen73 said:
Yes, I think I just found it but it was potato. The study I found is on NIDDM people but the Objective also states the same findings of normal people. Basically in a normal person the insulin response is the same or higher however the blood sugar levels were lower.

The results for the NIDDM (Diabetic) were obviously somewhat different with a higher glucose levels in the blood, and even higher insulin secretion.
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Thanks.

For me, the reason I add fats especially pre wo is the blood sugar control(I was never concerned with insulin) . It provides me more even energy levels and prevents a mid workout crash.
 
Diesel0022 said:
Just cut this past weekends up, get a deer a week on average, freezer needs to be stocked by Jan 1st


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She is having a blast! LOL
 
Frank Reynolds said:
Thanks.

For me, the reason I add fats especially pre wo is the blood sugar control(I was never concerned with insulin) . It provides me more even energy levels and prevents a mid workout crash.
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Makes complete sense to me, I actually add fats to my smaller refeeds like 300g ones in the evenings to allow the glucose to trickle in overnight. However most of those fats are from peanut and or almond butter IE mostly mono and polyunstaturated.

However in what I was referring to regarding the saturated fats being easily stored and insulin being the storage hormone, I thought it important to relay to those worried about not gaining more fat than needed when trying to gain weight / LBM so they did not think that slower release of blood sugar always meant lower insulin levels.
 
Giving away a free bottle of Creatrona Powder to the first person who answers these trivia questions correctly. No one has got all of them yet. Go try your hand at it.

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I cannot believe how much information is up in this bitch. You all know ur ****! Damn!


Even with all the good info....NO WAY IN HELL, I'm putting meat in my blender..just saying!
 
msrider said:
I cannot believe how much information is up in this bitch. You all know ur ****! Damn!

Even with all the good info....NO WAY IN HELL, I'm putting meat in my blender..just saying!
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I've been thinking about it. As of right now I eat ~4k a day and have problems seeing the scale move. Blending my meals may be just what I need.
 
msrider said:
I cannot believe how much information is up in this bitch. You all know ur ****! Damn!

Even with all the good info....NO WAY IN HELL, I'm putting meat in my blender..just saying!
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Lol 8oz water, a chicken breast, scoop of protein, 2-4tbsp of pb and I bet you don't even realize you're drinking chicken ;)

Although I do chicken and water too.
 
Just put it in a bowl hot and call it soup
 
Frank Reynolds said:
Lol 8oz water, a chicken breast, scoop of protein, 2-4tbsp of pb and I bet you don't even realize you're drinking chicken ;)

Although I do chicken and water too.
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You can make tuna that way too...
 
All this sounds disgusting. Why mix everything into a shake? Gross!
 
Just watched the you tube video...
Chicken & water only?
 
AaronJP1 said:
Just watched the you tube video...
Chicken & water only?
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Yeap. I use 8oz of water, with an 8oz boiled(and cooled) chicken breast.

Or you could add 1 scoop of whey, 2tbsp of PB with it. You won't even know there is chicken in there. Throw some spinich in there for your greens. :)

mmmmm
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Jawbreaker24 said:
I started to notice it about 1.5 weeks in, and that's damn fast if you ask me...:D

"Victory is Reserved for those willing to pay its price"

~Unknown~
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Perfect that's where I'm at
 
Frank Reynolds said:
Yeap. I use 8oz of water, with an 8oz boiled(and cooled) chicken breast.

Or you could add 1 scoop of whey, 2tbsp of PB with it. You won't even know there is chicken in there. Throw some spinich in there for your greens. :)

mmmmm
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You don't fùck with tuna but here's the recipe...

;)


703 Calories
52g Protein
64g Carbs
30g Fat

1 can of tuna (not Tina, tuna).
2 tbsp of peanut butter.
1 tsp of honey.
1 medium banana.
2 cups of milk. (Use no less than 2% fat milk).


Bulking' healthy like a boss!
 
Frank Reynolds said:
Lol maybe I'll try it. I've literally never eaten tuna in my life. Not even once.
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It's quick and easy man! Doesn't taste great, I would try it once...
I use it when I'm out of powder.
It's a lot of quality food, and two shakes a day gets ya just over 100g of protein VS. Having a punk ass 23-25g protein shake 2-3 times a day.

:bigok:
 
Frank Reynolds said:
Lol maybe I'll try it. I've literally never eaten tuna in my life. Not even once.
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You call your self a body builder and you've never once had tuna? Is there sarcasm there or are you actually serious.
 
Uh oh... :O
 
AaronJP1 said:
It's quick and easy man! Doesn't taste great, I would try it once...
I use it when I'm out of powder.
It's a lot of quality food, and two shakes a day gets ya just over 100g of protein VS. Having a punk ass 23-25g protein shake 2-3 times a day.

:bigok:
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I'm all about whole food shakes.
superbeast668 said:
You call your self a body builder and you've never once had tuna? Is there sarcasm there or are you actually serious.
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No I don't call myself a bodybuilder. Lol

But yes 100% serious. I've never eaten canned tuna. I can count on one hand the amount of times I've tried seafood in general.

Give me a big ass steak.
 
AaronJP1 said:
You don't fùck with tuna but here's the recipe...

;)


703 Calories
52g Protein
64g Carbs
30g Fat

1 can of tuna (not Tina, tuna).
2 tbsp of peanut butter.
1 tsp of honey.
1 medium banana.
2 cups of milk. (Use no less than 2% fat milk).


Bulking' healthy like a boss!
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This is awesome,I make this myself twice a day with an egg in it also!love em,made me sick when I started em but I crave them now.mmmmm.
 
Frank Reynolds said:
I'm all about whole food shakes.

No I don't call myself a bodybuilder. Lol

But yes 100% serious. I've never eaten canned tuna. I can count on one hand the amount of times I've tried seafood in general.

Give me a big ass steak.
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Have you at least had like ahi or sushi with real tuna in it?
 
Mack411 said:
This is awesome,I make this myself twice a day with an egg in it also!love em,made me sick when I started em but I crave them now.mmmmm.
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I may add an egg or two in mine.
They made u sick? How taste wise?
 
Frank, is there any studies showing any differences between a liquid food meal vs a whole food meal?
 
AaronJP1 said:
I may add an egg or two in mine.
They made u sick? How taste wise?
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Not sick,I meant the taste.my bad.you can definitely tell there's tuna,but I eat tuna out the can all day so don't bother me.just an odd combo,but as I said,as with most things i crave it now that I'm used to it!actually gonna make one now!
 
Jawbreaker24 said:
The poundstone shake!!!

Look it up.... Then hook it up...


"Victory is Reserved for those willing to pay its price"

~Unknown~
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Curious as too why you copy and paste that same quote every time? Considering its in your signiture as well.
 
superbeast668 said:
Have you at least had like ahi or sushi with real tuna in it?
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I have tried sashimi a couple times and both times I gagged on it. I'm not sure what it is about it. I could barely get down a California roll.
AaronJP1 said:
Frank, is there any studies showing any differences between a liquid food meal vs a whole food meal?
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I have seen at least one that examined satiety iirc.
 
jimbuick said:
I've been thinking about it. As of right now I eat ~4k a day and have problems seeing the scale move. Blending my meals may be just what I need.
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Bigger man than me. But I understand sometimes we have to try anything to gain. When I eat, I gain a lot. My grocery bill was standing in way of how much food I consume. No more of that ****. Time to eat!
 
Frank Reynolds said:
Lol 8oz water, a chicken breast, scoop of protein, 2-4tbsp of pb and I bet you don't even realize you're drinking chicken ;)

Although I do chicken and water too.
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You might b rite bro, but damn that upsets the stomach even thinking bout it....PB always does wonders for nasty protein. Gotta have it!
 
Frank Reynolds said:
Lol maybe I'll try it. I've literally never eaten tuna in my life. Not even once.
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That's what pisses me off is I hate tuna, but if I liked it. It would b so easy to bulk!
 
I was jk bro,I know tha feeling tho,I hate eggs.but I still hard boil a dozen every morning.I almost don't care anymore especially when on cycle :)
 
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