Airborne's Quest to PowerLifting (and whatever he's on ATM)

msrider said:
Hope so, its tough on the wallet. I b glad when the Hollidays are over so I can get back to buying large amounts of food again lol
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Tell me bout it haha I'm a broke bitch. I make do tho
 
Airborne42 said:
Get it!!!

Box Squats: 10/8/5/5/3/1/1/1/1
315
355
405
405
475
510
510
510
565

ATG Squats: 5/5
450
450

ATG Front Squats: 5/5
315
315

Calf Press: 15/15/15
360
370
380

Leg Ext and Laying leg curl supersets: 8/8/8
250,120
260,130
270,130

Hip and Thigh abductor Superset: 10/10/10
140,110
150,120
160,130
These are a must for hip stability. I can tell a huge improvement! Concentrate on the motion... Slow and steady. Don't need to go heavy.

All around great quick workout.

Felt good till a massive headache kicked in... Weight is back to 260... I'm confused... I went over the blast and cruise thing with the wife... Seems ok. Now I need to ask my coach his take... If its a go... Time to order.
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Sounds like you kicked some serious ass bro! You are helping me motivate to wreck arms today! I woke up feeling pretty lean today I wouldn't be surprised if my weight dropped. You need to quit worrying about that weight bro, the test is in full gear right now so your body is going to be demolishing any calories you take in. I would consider it a good thing especially with your strength where its at! I can finally see my full six pack again so I'm not gonna sweat any weight bounce!
 
LiveToLift said:
Sounds like you kicked some serious ass bro! You are helping me motivate to wreck arms today! I woke up feeling pretty lean today I wouldn't be surprised if my weight dropped. You need to quit worrying about that weight bro, the test is in full gear right now so your body is going to be demolishing any calories you take in. I would consider it a good thing especially with your strength where its at! I can finally see my full six pack again so I'm not gonna sweat any weight bounce!
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Thank you man and I do worry bout weight. All you guys can go by Mirror but I have to go by weight class. Ya know? I guess we will see what's up! Kill it bro!
 
Airborne42 said:
Thank you man and I do worry bout weight. All you guys can go by Mirror but I have to go by weight class. Ya know? I guess we will see what's up! Kill it bro!
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I agree but wouldn't a lighter weight class be a good thing? I'm confused.... If your strength is going up and your weight class down then you will blow everyone in that weight class out. Or are you trying to make it harder on yourself? Please clear this up for me I'm in a haze about it. LMAO
 
LiveToLift said:
Sounds like you kicked some serious ass bro! You are helping me motivate to wreck arms today! I woke up feeling pretty lean today I wouldn't be surprised if my weight dropped. You need to quit worrying about that weight bro, the test is in full gear right now so your body is going to be demolishing any calories you take in. I would consider it a good thing especially with your strength where its at! I can finally see my full six pack again so I'm not gonna sweat any weight bounce!
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Up 20lbs and still got the 6 pack back?
Boss status!
 
LiveToLift said:
I agree but wouldn't a lighter weight class be a good thing? I'm confused.... If your strength is going up and your weight class down then you will blow everyone in that weight class out. Or are you trying to make it harder on yourself? Please clear this up for me I'm in a haze about it. LMAO
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Tbh I think lighter people are stronger DL from what I see across the record boards.
 
Frank... What are the chances of makin a recovery after being on for that long
 
Airborne42 said:
There's no ****in way ill set the bench record at 774
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Have you ever benched in a shirt? If you're around a 500 raw bencher that's not really out of the question. It's just a matter of practicing with the shirt.
Airborne42 said:
Frank... What are the chances of makin a recovery after being on for that long
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How many cycles have you done? How did you recover from those?

Honesty its hard to say. I've seen people recover from long cycles like that. You didn't run any nandrolones which is good.
 
I can still put up tops 475 still worried bout shoulders. My coach wants me to start using suits and shirts now that I'm gettin to big dog status.

I believe this is my...4th
 
Airborne42 said:
I can still put up tops 475 still worried bout shoulders. My coach wants me to start using suits and shirts now that I'm gettin to big dog status.

I believe this is my...4th
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So the meet is equipped not raw?

As for recovery, I would go into it prepared for the worst. There is always the chance that you just never recover fully.
 
Airborne42 said:
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FWIW I tell the same thing to people thinking about doing their first cycle. There is the chance you do one cycle and you are never the same. I tell them don't even touch this **** if you are not prepared to deal with the fact you may never recover.

People think you do a cycle, pct, and are guaranteed a FULL recovery. Not so.
 
Frank Reynolds said:
FWIW I tell the same thing to people thinking about doing their first cycle. There is the chance you do one cycle and you are never the same. I tell them don't even touch this **** if you are not prepared to deal with the fact you may never recover.

People think you do a cycle, pct, and are guaranteed a FULL recovery. Not so.
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I agree with this fully!
 
This thread's full of win! Moving some awesome weight & great info all around!
 
LizKing531 said:
My AM fam has definitely helped up my training game-
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This
 
Frank Reynolds said:
FWIW I tell the same thing to people thinking about doing their first cycle. There is the chance you do one cycle and you are never the same. I tell them don't even touch this **** if you are not prepared to deal with the fact you may never recover.

People think you do a cycle, pct, and are guaranteed a FULL recovery. Not so.
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This exactly!!!! I am doing a last ditch effort to get some recovery, if I were you I would definitely order some HCG if you are planning to start cruising. Get it and hit it up for 250mcg twice a week from the time you get it all the way through the end of your next blast. This will at least get your testicles used to responding to LH and fill them up a bit. That is half the battle, then you just have to get the pituitary to produce it's own LH once you are off of the testosterone.

There is a testosterone recovery specialist who has what he says is as close to a sure fire way to kick start your system that there is. However it aint cheap.

Last shot of test day after 2000mcg Every other day for 15 days, once that is over 100mg clomid for 30 days and 20mg of Nolva for 42 days.

Supposedly at the end of this 98% of people he treats who thought they were permanently shut down end up recovering.

I was on my cruise / blast for 10 months and did not follow this to a T but I am working hard on my recovery now. If I had found the article before starting my HCG I would have definitely went this way.

As of right now I am 2.3 weeks into true PCT as in the test has been gone that long, and although I am not quite as big, nor defined due to less glycogen retention keeping me full. However, I am holding my weight well and my strength is still there. Hell this morning I pulled 470x3 on deads which is a PR for me. Yesterday I got 205x3 on Standing Military Press and almost got that 4rth. I was so close I could taste it. That is another PR for me. So recovering is a possibility and loss of strength does not have to be very much but my HPTA was kind of slow to respond to my efforts last time this time it was much better with the HCG. Now just trying to get it all done.

Not saying do what I did or follow my lead but some extremely reputable people gave this Dr's method a thumbs up and although I did not follow it exactly I tried with what HCG I had left. My HCG was day after last shot 2000 mcg, then 1500mcg 3 days later and 1500 3 days later. However I had done 5 weeks of 2 shots at 500mcg leading up to it to stimulate the testes into producing some testosterone and responding to LH, the 100mg a day of clomid and 20 of Nolva is taking care of getting LH production up so I think I am well on my way to a full recovery.
 
That is Dr Scally's protocol right?

Side note. Are you doing 5/3/1 kleen? Was that 470 x 3 the last set on your 3 week? Which template are you using, the standard one?
 
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MrKleen73 said:
This exactly!!!! I am doing a last ditch effort to get some recovery, if I were you I would definitely order some HCG if you are planning to start cruising. Get it and hit it up for 250mcg twice a week from the time you get it all the way through the end of your next blast. This will at least get your testicles used to responding to LH and fill them up a bit. That is half the battle, then you just have to get the pituitary to produce it's own LH once you are off of the testosterone.

There is a testosterone recovery specialist who has what he says is as close to a sure fire way to kick start your system that there is. However it aint cheap.

Last shot of test day after 2000mcg Every other day for 15 days, once that is over 100mg clomid for 30 days and 20mg of Nolva for 42 days.

Supposedly at the end of this 98% of people he treats who thought they were permanently shut down end up recovering.

I was on my cruise / blast for 10 months and did not follow this to a T but I am working hard on my recovery now. If I had found the article before starting my HCG I would have definitely went this way.

As of right now I am 2.3 weeks into true PCT as in the test has been gone that long, and although I am not quite as big, nor defined due to less glycogen retention keeping me full. However, I am holding my weight well and my strength is still there. Hell this morning I pulled 470x3 on deads which is a PR for me. Yesterday I got 205x3 on Standing Military Press and almost got that 4rth. I was so close I could taste it. That is another PR for me. So recovering is a possibility and loss of strength does not have to be very much but my HPTA was kind of slow to respond to my efforts last time this time it was much better with the HCG. Now just trying to get it all done.

Not saying do what I did or follow my lead but some extremely reputable people gave this Dr's method a thumbs up and although I did not follow it exactly I tried with what HCG I had left. My HCG was day after last shot 2000 mcg, then 1500mcg 3 days later and 1500 3 days later. However I had done 5 weeks of 2 shots at 500mcg leading up to it to stimulate the testes into producing some testosterone and responding to LH, the 100mg a day of clomid and 20 of Nolva is taking care of getting LH production up so I think I am well on my way to a full recovery.
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****in A! Glad you and Frank are here!
 
That is pretty much the exact "pct" I recommend to people.

I would just suggest that if you are running an AI to continue running it until you start the nolva. HCG tends to really send e2 through the roof, and it causes a lot of people, even ones who have no issues with gyno, serious flare ups especially when ran that high. And if you are not, you might consider it, or even starting nolva a bit early.
 
Frank Reynolds said:
That is Dr Scally's protocol right?

Side note. Are you doing 5/3/1 kleen? Was that 470 x 3 the last set on your 3 week? Which template are you using, the standard one?
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Yeah I do think that is the Docs name. I didn't have the article on hand to look at but yeah that sounds right. Yes on the 5/3/1 and yes it was the last set on week 3. I actually was using 2 different rep max calculators and the one at Strength Standards has some kind of crazy thing putting me at like 574 or something for a max it was a bit too high. I went back and recalculated to get a lower number but today I had the old sheet with the high numbers and did them up to the lat set and then was like Crap I wasn't supposed to go to 500 and new 470 was my single set. So I think with the fact I was 20 lbs heavier on all my set up sets i probably could have pulled 4 reps if I set it up the way I should have...

Next week is my deload, oh I think it is the Standard or original 5/3/1. For the accessories I kind of mixed the Triumvirate and the Big But Boring up a bit there depending on goals. Doing 5 more sets on shoulder press, moved Dips to my Bench day instead of more bench. I think my triceps are one of my weak links so wanted to focus on them more than chest. On squat day hitting leg press after to get my quads because squats just get my hammies and glutes...

Here is my log that I am running right now. Invalid Link Removed


AB, you do what you gotta do but don't do it without HCG when it comes to recovery.
 
Funny, I was going to say that your training max was probably too high. Lol

I actually set mine a bit lower than my actual training max this time in order to make sure I keep progressing for a while.

Interested to see what kind of gains you make with 531 and how you like it.
 
So far so good, do you think my training max is still set too high? I wasn't sure how many reps over the target I should be able to get. I guess if you can swing by my log and let me know what you think. It is only a few pages in so not a hard log to catch up on.
 
There is literally no keeping up with this thread lol!

- Valdez
 
MrKleen73 said:
Yeah I do think that is the Docs name. I didn't have the article on hand to look at but yeah that sounds right. Yes on the 5/3/1 and yes it was the last set on week 3. I actually was using 2 different rep max calculators and the one at Strength Standards has some kind of crazy thing putting me at like 574 or something for a max it was a bit too high. I went back and recalculated to get a lower number but today I had the old sheet with the high numbers and did them up to the lat set and then was like Crap I wasn't supposed to go to 500 and new 470 was my single set. So I think with the fact I was 20 lbs heavier on all my set up sets i probably could have pulled 4 reps if I set it up the way I should have...

Next week is my deload, oh I think it is the Standard or original 5/3/1. For the accessories I kind of mixed the Triumvirate and the Big But Boring up a bit there depending on goals. Doing 5 more sets on shoulder press, moved Dips to my Bench day instead of more bench. I think my triceps are one of my weak links so wanted to focus on them more than chest. On squat day hitting leg press after to get my quads because squats just get my hammies and glutes...

Here is my log that I am running right now. Invalid Link Removed

AB, you do what you gotta do but don't do it without HCG when it comes to recovery.
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Sounds like an intense pct but how do you handle clomid for 30 days at 100mg? I was an emotional wreck on lower doses than that :(
 
Yesterday started somethin that is pissing me off! I can't seem to stop itching!!! Neck, scalp, face, traps, chest, shoulder and hips. Took a shower, relieved it... Went to sleep and Im itchy again. I'm also pretty oily, not much acne at all just oily.

Weight is at 262

Yesterday... Bench day. Gym was dead! Still waiting on my other bottles of Achilles. It's been a few days without and I can tell a big difference.

Bench: 15/15/8/8/3/3
275
315
350
350
375
405
Mainly focused on my ****ty ****in Arch... Still using foam roller from time to time.

Heavy Db: 8/5/3
130
140
140

Incline press: 8/5/5
225
250
265

Pec Dec fly: 15/15/12
180
185
190

Overhead tri cable ext: 12/10/8/8
160
170
180
180

Tri pressdowns: 8/8/8/25
190
200
210
140

Single arm tri pressdown: 10/8/5/15
60
70
80
30

Oh Db tri ext: 15 reps with 35 lb

Coach has been out a few days.. had to get his gall bladder removed. Filled with stones.
 
Airborne42 said:
Yesterday started somethin that is pissing me off! I can't seem to stop itching!!! Neck, scalp, face, traps, chest, shoulder and hips. Took a shower, relieved it... Went to sleep and Im itchy again. I'm also pretty oily, not much acne at all just oily.

Weight is at 262

Yesterday... Bench day. Gym was dead! Still waiting on my other bottles of Achilles. It's been a few days without and I can tell a big difference.

Bench: 15/15/8/8/3/3
275
315
350
350
375
405
Mainly focused on my ****ty ****in Arch... Still using foam roller from time to time.

Heavy Db: 8/5/3
130
140
140

Incline press: 8/5/5
225
250
265

Pec Dec fly: 15/15/12
180
185
190

Overhead tri cable ext: 12/10/8/8
160
170
180
180

Tri pressdowns: 8/8/8/25
190
200
210
140

Single arm tri pressdown: 10/8/5/15
60
70
80
30

Oh Db tri ext: 15 reps with 35 lb

Coach has been out a few days.. had to get his gall bladder removed. Filled with stones.
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Sucks about the itching bro! Could be a combination of the test and the weather. Winter time I get dried out bad and itchy as I am now. Could be reacting diff cause the oily sides. Or you could just have something wrong with ur head lol jk Bro.

Awesome workout bro! You are a Beast. Sucks bout your coach, I've never had that but my dad did and he is a tough man but it had him down for sure.
 
Sounds like you need an oatmeal bath, throw in some milk and honey. What a guy can't pamper himself?
 
This **** really needs to stop! Like a full body bug bite that never stops. Scratching till Im red... I may have to cut my cycle short...
 
Airborne42 said:
This **** really needs to stop! Like a full body bug bite that never stops. Scratching till Im red... I may have to cut my cycle short...
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**** Bro! Its that Bad. Hope someone has some good advice on what to help it. Hang in there, don't know if its bad to take benadryl while on AAs or not. Hope your **** gets better Brotha
 
msrider said:
**** Bro! Its that Bad. Hope someone has some good advice on what to help it. Hang in there, don't know if its bad to take benadryl while on AAs or not. Hope your **** gets better Brotha
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Thank you bro!
 
Before you do something drastic ask the wife if she changed anything. Sounds more like a reaction to something like detergent or fabric softener.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Before you do something drastic ask the wife if she changed anything. Sounds more like a reaction to something like detergent or fabric softener.
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Definitely look into this route^^ My wife changed her shampoo and my daughter reacted with a crazy rash.
 
No everything is the same... I'm not allergic to anything my whole life. I read that this itch can happen from the carrier in the test. It was a new vial, same person but it just started.
 
The women rubbed me down in witch hazel and its sufficing for now
 
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