Advice for Adding An Injectable for (1st time) to my Test blast/cruise.

Humbl3

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(Shooting for a RE-COMP)

Im currently cruising at 150mg Test E e/w for now ... and was interested in some ideas on what I could add in . Whether it be kicker or finisher .....
FYI I have never added anything to my TRT doses or to any Test cycle before but have ran some orals in the past.
These are my choices for consideration.(** I have never ran any of these compounds listed below.*)***

My stats:
6.0 tall
49 years old
201lbs.
BMI= 27.8
Test level @ 204 ng/dL (12-4-20)

*(Shooting for RE-COMP)*

Thank you for the knowledge

(**These are my choices for possible additions to my blast/cruise **which I have never used before **)

NPP

Deca

Tren Acetate

Teen E

Mast Propionate

Mast Enanthate

Are Any of these compounds good for a first time add in injectable to Test ?
 
Tren ace + mast prop would hands down be the most effective for recomping, superdrol following closely behind (problem with sdrol though is that you have a limited window of use with it).

However, tren + mast is probably best saved for a few cycles in. A milder option, yet still highly effective, would be NPP. Or primobolan. Id argue that if youre comfortable adding a DHT oral to NPP, then youd be fine going the mastP route with it too. Id dose the mast 1:1 with your test.
 
Nac said:
Tren ace + mast prop would hands down be the most effective for recomping, superdrol following closely behind (problem with sdrol though is that you have a limited window of use with it).

However, tren + mast is probably best saved for a few cycles in. A milder option, yet still highly effective, would be NPP. Or primobolan. Id argue that if youre comfortable adding a DHT oral to NPP, then youd be fine going the mastP route with it too. Id dose the mast 1:1 with your test.
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this is a brilliant summary OP, literally was thinking the same as I read your post.

id personally probably save mast for a cut rather than recomp but I’m in agreement with what Nac says.
 
Addressing both of you brilliant gentleman.... would adding only the NPP to my Test blast/cruise be beneficial ?
 
^yes, absolutely

Depending on how aggressive the kcal deficit is, if you were "cutting" using test only, adding in NPP could turn the same scenario into a recomp.
 
Humbl3 said:
Addressing both of you brilliant gentleman.... would adding only the NPP to my Test blast/cruise be beneficial ?
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yes. A lot of people find the shorter ester nandrolone has less sides than deca with its long ester. You have to pin more frequently but it means you can run a shorter blast beneficially (me personally I run a long blast with deca but I get why a lot of guys prefer NPP and for your first addition it’s a better shout imo)

decent strength and size, shouldn’t add much if any water. Have some caber on hand as standard with a 19nor for prolactin and you’ll be 👌
 
not nearly as glamorous as some of the aas mentioned but dermacrine is a great add on to trt after blast is over.
 
Nac said:
Tren ace + mast prop would hands down be the most effective for recomping, superdrol following closely behind (problem with sdrol though is that you have a limited window of use with it).

However, tren + mast is probably best saved for a few cycles in. A milder option, yet still highly effective, would be NPP. Or primobolan. Id argue that if youre comfortable adding a DHT oral to NPP, then youd be fine going the mastP route with it too. Id dose the mast 1:1 with your test.
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Thank you very much this is extremely helpful advice to someone who does not know how to approach this. So I’m pretty sure I’m gonna go with the NPP route And follow your advice.
Can you give me some help on how I should be dosing the NPP in conjunction with my Test injections.
🙏🏻
 
Whisky said:
yes. A lot of people find the shorter ester nandrolone has less sides than deca with its long ester. You have to pin more frequently but it means you can run a shorter blast beneficially (me personally I run a long blast with deca but I get why a lot of guys prefer NPP and for your first addition it’s a better shout imo)

decent strength and size, shouldn’t add much if any water. Have some caber on hand as standard with a 19nor for prolactin and you’ll be 👌
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Question please.... is NPP and DECA and Dbol the same compounds or are they simply all a 19-nor That renders individual and specific results
 
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I’m trying to research as much as I can on the NPP. I have ran OL transdermal DermaTren in the past.
 
Im not sure how youre dosing your test, but in my experience youd be absolutely fine pinning the NPP over 3-4 shots for the week. Ive pinned NPP everyday, and it makes no discernable difference to me doing that vs 3-4 pins. So why pin more than necessary? Just go for convenience and personal choice.
 
Humbl3 said:
Question please.... is NPP and DECA and Dbol the same compounds or are they simply all a 19-nor That renders individual and specific results
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Npp is nandrolone phenylpropionate, eod pins work best. Kicks in by the end of the second wk.

Deca refers to nandrolone decanoate, pinning 1-2x per week and it takes 4-5wks to take effect.

They're both nandrolone (which is a 19nor progestin) with different esters affecting how fast/slow they're metabolized by the body.

Dbol is testosterone based. To avoid prolactin sides you need to regulate how much aromatization occurs from the testosterone and the dbol as an imbalance of e2 to prolactin will exacerbate the sides of progestins like nandrolone or trenbolone. A half 0.5mg adex once or twice a week should be plenty.. but you may have to play with it a bit if you've never run just dbol and test and had bloods to see how you reacted.

Don't use too much ai! You'll murder your gains, your sex drive, your mood, and your tendons ligaments and joints... just needs to be lightly regulated. Some people like to have their e2 in the 20's as it keeps them "drier", I personally prefer it in the 50's to protect the elasticity of tendons and keep the joints from aching.
 
Humbl3 said:
Question please.... is NPP and DECA and Dbol the same compounds or are they simply all a 19-nor That renders individual and specific results
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hey bro, so NPP and DECA are both nandrolone, NPP has a short ester attached and Deca has the decanoate ester attached (deca became the commonly used name for nandrolone with a decanoate ester but doesn’t actually describe the compound as the deca word is literally just the ester rather than the compound)

but basically NPP and Deca are both nandrolone and in theory the only difference is the half life....but in reality the change of ester does make some effects through downstream mechanics. Users report less issues with deca dick on NPP for example. In terms of outcomes though, I would personally suggest these won’t vary significantly between the two.

from a practical application standpoint NPP is better for shorter cycles (as it will kick in quicker) and for those who pct (as it’ll clear quicker at the end)

dbol may have been a typo but it’s a totally different compound, not a 19nor and not really comparable other than simply being a steroid as well?
 
Whisky said:
hey bro, so NPP and DECA are both nandrolone, NPP has a short ester attached and Deca has the decanoate ester attached (deca became the commonly used name for nandrolone with a decanoate ester but doesn’t actually describe the compound as the deca word is literally just the ester rather than the compound)

but basically NPP and Deca are both nandrolone and in theory the only difference is the half life....but in reality the change of ester does make some effects through downstream mechanics. Users report less issues with deca dick on NPP for example. In terms of outcomes though, I would personally suggest these won’t vary significantly between the two.

from a practical application standpoint NPP is better for shorter cycles (as it will kick in quicker) and for those who pct (as it’ll clear quicker at the end)

dbol may have been a typo but it’s a totally different compound, not a 19nor and not really comparable other than simply being a steroid as well?
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Thank you Sir!
 
Whisky said:
hey bro, so NPP and DECA are both nandrolone, NPP has a short ester attached and Deca has the decanoate ester attached (deca became the commonly used name for nandrolone with a decanoate ester but doesn’t actually describe the compound as the deca word is literally just the ester rather than the compound)

but basically NPP and Deca are both nandrolone and in theory the only difference is the half life....but in reality the change of ester does make some effects through downstream mechanics. Users report less issues with deca dick on NPP for example. In terms of outcomes though, I would personally suggest these won’t vary significantly between the two.

from a practical application standpoint NPP is better for shorter cycles (as it will kick in quicker) and for those who pct (as it’ll clear quicker at the end)

dbol may have been a typo but it’s a totally different compound, not a 19nor and not really comparable other than simply being a steroid as well?
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Yes sir I meant to write durabolin., if I’m researching correctly.

NPP is still looking good.
I am only PINNING Test one time a week 150 mg. Just as a simple cruise. (Can pin multiple times a week with no issues)
What would you consider a modest blast along with the NPP if I may be so bold to ask?
I’m not really trying to go over 300 mg of test a week but I am undecided on the amount of NPP.
 
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Humbl3 said:
thank you Brother.

Could you recommend me a standard weekly dose of the NPP?
Conservatively speaking?
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100-125mg eod avgs 350 & 437mg per week respectively depending how much you decide to pin

Id also highly recommend bumping your test to 300 and running 50-75mg proviron or an equivalent amount of mast with your npp.
 
Adrenolin said:
100-125mg eod avgs 350 & 437mg per week respectively depending how much you decide to pin

Id also highly recommend bumping your test to 300 and running 50-75mg proviron or an equivalent amount of mast with your npp.
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Thank you sir.
I can choose Mast as well but both the NPP and Mast are brand new to my system.. never ran them before
 
Adrenolin said:
100-125mg eod avgs 350 & 437mg per week respectively depending how much you decide to pin

Id also highly recommend bumping your test to 300 and running 50-75mg proviron or an equivalent amount of mast with your npp.
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I will blast T at 300+. when the time comes. That’s when I wish to add the NPP
 
Humbl3 said:
thank you Brother.

Could you recommend me a standard weekly dose of the NPP?
Conservatively speaking?
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Adrenolin said:
100-125mg eod avgs 350 & 437mg per week respectively depending how much you decide to pin

Id also highly recommend bumping your test to 300 and running 50-75mg proviron or an equivalent amount of mast with your npp.
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^seems like 3-400mg is the consensus for a useful entry to NPP.
 
Humbl3 said:
Yes sir I meant to write durabolin., if I’m researching correctly.

NPP is still looking good.
I am only PINNING Test one time a week 150 mg. Just as a simple cruise. (Can pin multiple times a week with no issues)
What would you consider a modest blast along with the NPP if I may be so bold to ask?
I’m not really trying to go over 300 mg of test a week but I am undecided on the amount of NPP.
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I like 1:1 test: nandrolone and 300:300 test:nan would be a nice moderate blast. With the ester weight of NPP you’ll get slightly more active compound with it than deca but that wouldn’t change my 1:1 suggestion.

whilst proviron and mast are lovely additions to cycles I personally wouldn’t use anything extra in your situation just so you can gauge the results of nandrolone easier. Individual response varies with any compound but 19nors seem to be quite a variance so personally I think it would be useful to see what you personally find with just NPP as that’ll set you up for the future blasts imo
 
Whisky said:
I like 1:1 test: nandrolone and 300:300 test:nan would be a nice moderate blast. With the ester weight of NPP you’ll get slightly more active compound with it than deca but that wouldn’t change my 1:1 suggestion.

whilst proviron and mast are lovely additions to cycles I personally wouldn’t use anything extra in your situation just so you can gauge the results of nandrolone easier. Individual response varies with any compound but 19nors seem to be quite a variance so personally I think it would be useful to see what you personally find with just NPP as that’ll set you up for the future blasts imo
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This is my thoughts - do your anabolic mapping, figuring out what families (test derivatives/DHTs/19nors) do what to you. For example, all 19-Nors I have touched immediately require dopamine agonists because my prolactin is naturally high normal and jacks up, but aside from that I actually seem to respond pretty well to them. Test so far really seems to smash me with sides/returns.
 
Hyde said:
This is my thoughts - do your anabolic mapping, figuring out what families (test derivatives/DHTs/19nors) do what to you. For example, all 19-Nors I have touched immediately require dopamine agonists because my prolactin is naturally high normal and jacks up, but aside from that I actually seem to respond pretty well to them. Test so far really seems to smash me with sides/returns.
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Thank you for that. 👍🏻
 
Hyde said:
This is my thoughts - do your anabolic mapping, figuring out what families (test derivatives/DHTs/19nors) do what to you. For example, all 19-Nors I have touched immediately require dopamine agonists because my prolactin is naturally high normal and jacks up, but aside from that I actually seem to respond pretty well to them. Test so far really seems to smash me with sides/returns.
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yep. Test doesn’t seem to do much for me in terms of gains at all but 19nors I respond great to with minimal sides.

probably taken me over 2 years to get to a point where I can construct a blast that suits me individually with supports dialled in from the off
 
Just finished using NPP recently. A word of warning; really watch your BP. At 100 eod mine really shot up.
 
G34RS said:
Just finished using NPP recently. A word of warning; really watch your BP. At 100 eod mine really shot up.
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I'm on the third week of test E and NPP and doing good at the moment, although taking 15 mg exemestane ED.
 
UNX said:
I'm on the third week of test E and NPP and doing good at the moment, although taking 15 mg exemestane ED.
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You may be perfectly gtg too through the whole cycle. Everyone reacts so differently that you don’t know until you try something and get bloods done. BP shot up, but have had no issues with hematocrit or cholesterol yet like a lot of people get.
 
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