GreenMachineX
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I've been getting side effects from absolutely everything I take, even as simple as things like vitamin C. Sometimes, very uncomfortable side effects. But, I've had enough.
Acid reflux cure
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MadStax
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@GreenMachineX L-Glutamine is a great buffer because of its neutral charge. It /can/ reduce acid in the stomach and esophagus, but it more likely will raise acid levels. The reason this works for some people is they don't produce enough acid. There are two types of reflux. I'm fairly confident that you are one who is producing too much acid, given your posts, and this will end up working against you. Go ahead and try it, but be mindful of this.
Hyde
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I would agree that he has no reason not to try it and see if it benefits him. It’s cheap and safe and if it makes things worse you just stop consuming it.
But if it helps, it can help repair the gut and support the immune system if under a lot of stress.
GreenMachineX
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Any other suggestions for reflux and gastritis?
GreenMachineX
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I should also mention that 3 weeks on pantoprazole resulted in completely numbed emotions and boating bloating in my stomach that felt like a bowling ball it hurt so bad.
Hyde
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@MadStax has gone through a lot and has a system in place now that really works for him. He definitely has walked your path and is worth picking his brain.
Mine is purely AAS and diet-based, and definitely not as severe as yours. But right now I have to take 10mg Famotidine twice a day, and use on serving of around 12g glutamine because it’s convenient, but after I stop all the drugs this weekend after contest I will switch to 2-3 servings of glutamine a day and have a much cleaner diet. Those should get my gut fixed up and reflux solved in a month. I’ll also incorporate Greek yogurt with no sugar or sweeteners added daily. That definitely helps my digestion.
GreenMachineX
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I've ordered a few things to try for both my wife and I since we both have reflux and gastritis oddly enough...Glutamine, zinc carnosine and bacillus coagulans. 2 months of bifidobacterium hasn't done much.
MadStax
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Have you been tested for H. Pylori?
GreenMachineX
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Yeah, negative.
Rocket3015
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I got my wife some Veda Gest from @Mike Arnold company, it seem to be helping her Acid Reflux.
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GreenMachineX
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I can't stand how all these companies load their products with bioperine.
Mike Arnold
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Why? It helps with the absorption of many things.
It's similar to AstraGin, which is also awesome.
Rocket3015
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What is wrong with bioperine ?
GreenMachineX
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Drug interactions.
MadStax
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That's the whole point of taking it. Its sole purpose is to increase the effectiveness of other drugs. No drugs adversely react with it afaik.
GreenMachineX
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Yes, I know that's the point, but what if you increase the effectiveness of a blood pressure medicine or blood thinner or narcotic or whatever?
MadStax
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You adjust the dosage of the medications if needed, but you won't get more than a bit more. It's not doubling it. You're talking no more than 5-10% greater. You can do research if you're worried about it, but I never did. Do you also avoid grapefruit then?
GreenMachineX
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But that's the point I'm trying to make...if piperine is making a realistic difference in these herbal supplements, then why wouldn't it make a substantial difference in drugs? But if it's not making a cisterns in drugs, then it's likely not making a difference in these supplements.
I also avoid grapefruit, yes.
MadStax
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Marketing is the answer. Half of the supplements sold by these companies do very little, if anything at all. So, adding 5-10% of nothing to nothing is something? According to them, yes.
Mike Arnold
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We can say that about a ton of things, though. Lots of normal foods have the exact same interactions with drugs. We just don't talk about it that much. After all, BioPerine (or piperine) is a constituent of black pepper. Ginger is another food item that has equally strong interactions with many drugs, yet we don't talk about that. Case in point: You mentioned BioPerine's potential drug interactions, but didn't say anything about ginger, which is also in Veda-Gest. In fact, literally EVERY single ingredient in Veda-Gest (all of which are 100% natural foods items) interact with various drugs, but I'm assuming that it's probably not even something you thought about.
The good news is that these interactions are usually only limited to influencing absorption rate, NOT the manner in which the drugs affect the body. If BioPerine or other food products actually altered the manner in which a drug worked in the body, there would be more cause for concern, but normally, it is only absorption rate that is affected...and even then, it usually isn't that extreme.
Furthermore, BioPerine's ability to influence absorption rate varies from significant to almost non-existent, with most drugs falling in the moderate to barely existent range. If someone is taking a drug that has its absorption rate altered by BioPerine, drug doses can always be adjusted. I understand that most people won't do this, but the good news is that BioPerine is fine to take with most drugs.
As far as supplement companies are concerned, BioPerine is often a no-brainer. If adding BioPerine increases a product's effectiveness in a cost-effective manner, why wouldn't they make it part of the formula?
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Mike Arnold
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BioPerine (and other absorption enhancers) doesn't affect all substances to the same degree. Take curcumin, for example. BioPerine increases curcumin absorption like 15-20-fold, but with many drugs the increase is either non-existent or minimal.
When it comes to BioPerine (or other absorption enhancers) ability to influence absorption rate, it varies tremendously from substance to substance. With most things, it is moderate to mild.
BioPerine is so cheap to add to a product (pennies per bottle) that if it increases the effectiveness by only 15%, it is worth it.
AstraGin is another good one. It increase Citrulline absorption by 43%, which is awesome. Yet, it only costs pennies to add to each bottle. Take Collision Course (my pre-workout product), for example. I wanted to max-out citrulline's ability to increase nitric oxide in the body (which research shows happens at 15 grams), so I added AstriGin to 10 grams of Citrulline. This makes that 10 gram dose equivalent to 14+ grams of Citrulline. If I would have just included 14 grams of actual Citrulline instead, it would have made the product more expensive with zero additional benefit. In fact, AstraGin also increased the absorption of several other ingredients, making them more effective, as well. In the end, the simple addition of AstraGin made the product more effective for less money.
BioPerine did the same thing for Veda-Gest.
GreenMachineX
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Actually, I won't be using Veda for that exact reason, but those ingredients aren't in everything. Not being able to use one product is no big deal, but when bioperine is added to 75%? Nah. That's overkill.
Rocket3015
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Maybe I should cut back on the Black Pepper ??
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Mike Arnold
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You might be surprised by how many common foods impact the absorption rate of various drugs to one degree or another. It's almost impossible to avoid without the strict monitoring of diet. But, as far as supplement companies avoiding the use of BioPerine, I doubt its going to happen because it makes so many products more cost-effective.
Veda-gest contains ingredients that have been used for literally 1,000's of years...without harm...by untold numbers of people. They are considered the "go-to" natural substances for digestive difficulty, worldwide. Considering the number of people that use script drugs, I wonder how many people have been harmed by the use of these natural digestive aides? My guess is...little to none. Otherwise, the literature would be rife with cases of harm.
If you don't want to use any of the most common natural digestive aides (almost ALL of them affect the absorption of various drugs to one degree or another), then you are limited mostly to exogenous digestive enzymes, which are less effective. Furthermore, research indicates that using exogenous digestive enzymes actually blunts endogenous enzyme production, thereby making digestive difficulties worse over time.
In contrast, the natural digestive aides improve literally every aspect of the body's digestive process, while providing numerous other health benefits. The research is super impressive. I have links to like 50+ studies on the Veda-Gest page.
Personally, I don't care if you use Veda-Gest or not, but I SEVERELY doubt you would come to any harm through it's use. You would likely be harmed by impaired digestion, though. Just my thoughts.
One thing you could do is purchase individual natural digestive aides (there are dozens). Just research each one and see if the risks are acceptable to you. You would get better results than using exogenous digestive enzymes and eliminate the potential risk of suppressing endogenous enzyme production. These natural digestive aides are also cheap, so you won't need to spend much, either. That's what I would do if I were you.
Rocket3015
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I can only say this, the wife and I are enjoying the positive effects of Veda-Gest and I am taking some to work today to give to a co-worker who has Chronis, to give it a try. Mike I think is a winner!!
GreenMachineX
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Side note, why did you choose L-Citrulline instead of citrulline malate for that product?
Rocket3015
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@Mike Arnold I just wanted to share this with you, I work with a lady that has Crones, and when I was reading about Veda Gest it sounded like something that would really help her, so I gave her about half of a bottle, she had been using it for about 2 weeks and says it makes a big difference in how bloated she feels. She was going to take a week off of using it and see if it was really helping but after 2 day without taking she was back to her normal uncomfortable self. So yesterday she started again and feels better already. She asked me to tell you "Thank You". Now I guess a need to get a report from my wife and see how her acid reflux is?????????
Mike Arnold
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Thank you very much for telling me that. I have had 4-5 people with Crohn's personally contact me and tell me that it worked wonders for them, but I've never talked about this publicly because its illegal to say that a supplement treats a disease like Crohn's. To be honest, when I was originally doing the research for this product, I saw that there was substantial evidence to suggest that it can treats Crohn's, but I didn't think it would actually do that much. I was surprised when the first person told me how much it helped them. She wrote me a LONG letter (via email) telling me how it basically saved her life; how the doctors could never help her and she had basically given up hope. Just like you and your co-worker, someone gave her some to try....and now she orders 3 bottles every 3 months (roughly).
If I could legally market and sell this stuff as a treatment for Crohn's...without Big Pharma running a propaganda campaign against me, I would make big bucks off this stuff. Unfortunately, Veda-Gest isn't very well know--partly because I don't talk about it that much.
Digestive products just aren't that exciting for most people, especially on boards where the average person is a 20 something year old bodybuilder. In addition, most people think Veda-Gest is just another digestive product. They don't necessarily see it as being better or worse than the typical product, when in reality, it is very different than the typical digestive product. The write-up I did on it, which is attached to the product page on the website, does a good job at explaining exactly what Veda-Gest is and how it works. It is far superior, in almost all cases, to the typical digestive enzyme-based product. Those products not only have a very limited scope of effects, but they can suppress endogenous enzyme secretion, thereby making digestion even worse over the long-run. In contrast, Veda-Gest drastically increases natural enzyme secretion, while simultaneously improving basically every other aspect of the digestive process.
Veda-Gest is my favorite product. I use it every day. For anyone who is pounding down tons of food day in and day out, I think it should be a staple in their routine...and it's cheap enough to do so. I had to lower my profit margin for this product way below what is standard...because I knew that if I had even a semi-normal profit margin, no one would want to buy it. Most people just don't want to spend much on digestive aides, so I priced it in the $20's.
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Rocket3015
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You know Mike, I'm sure there is a forum for Crohn's you just need to get a few good reviews on that and let the orders roll in. I see what I can do ??
Rocket3015
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I really like it. I eat a big salad everyday for lunch and will fell a little bloated when finished, with the Veda-Gest No Bloat !!