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7a OHN Do we have a winner here?

5-10 mg will most likely be the "normal" dose. Although, I recommend 2.5 mg ED just to test the waters and evaluate the potency of the compound.

When you have feedback post your results!

Chemo
 
Chemo what do you think of M5AA? I think it looks interesting. I am really interested in giving it a go.
 
sifu said:
Chemo what do you think of M5AA? I think it looks interesting. I am really interested in giving it a go.
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It will not be ideal for some due to its high androgenic profile. BUT, if you can stand it then this compound will be the ultimate density/strength agent.

Chemo
 
androgenic=strength right? and do you keep most of the strength gains on stuff like m5aa?

yes sifu the guy who told me 10mg is VERY VERY knowledgable about it, but chemo's idea sounds smart also...safer. but i'm not known for safety, have to see what happens
 
Ya it is mainly for strength and focus, do you remember the east german swimmers in the olympics a long time ago?

Tell us how it goes, that is a little steep for me.
 
I thought that the cost was $150 for 500mg all the time. I did not know that it was $130 for only 250mg?(I just saw it on the site) Can we expect these prices to drop at all SLDGEHMR?

I would of bought by now if only the price was a little cheaper.

Keep us posted 2G.....
 
yah, its expensive thats why i grabbed some up now. i just ended a 2 week cycle of m1t so in 2 weeks my 7a-ohn will start. thats the time i should get it in the mail also. suppose to be in this thur, then with shipping i figure it will come in a few days before i start.
 
Well i would try it if the price were a little lower as well.
my wife is pissed cause i already stocked up on m1t. But i would like to have some of this for my research needs.

If i make a little cash i will try to get some.

Can anabolicminds menbers get a discount?

I will paint your company logo and web address on my back for minimum 3 workout days for a mere 250mg.

Negotiations available on length of ad campaign as well as ad space.
If you prefer a smaller package, you can take out a bicep ad for say 30% towards purchase of goods.

Let me know:cool:
 
2gcorey said:
"The rule of thumb to take 0.125 mg/pound of body weight daily has proven successful in clinical tests. The tablets are normally taken two to three times daily after meals thus assuring an optimal absorption of the substance"

would the same rules apply for this product?

example: a person weighing 200 pounds would need 25mg daily of Oxandrolone

but if 5mg 7a-OHN = 50mg Oxandrolone

that would only mean 2.5mg
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That dosage of oxandrolone is too low. Anavar is my favorite aas and i have used it numerous times. The lowest I would suggest any MALE to take would be 30mg but ideally 40-50mg would be better. Since it is restricted by cost and legitimacy people often do not take enough or are taking stuff that is fake.
 
Jergo said:
Are you saying that 10-20mg of 7a-ohn are not enough?
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No. I do not know how much of this product you should take but 10-20mg seems like a good starting point.

I was just trying to point out that 25mg of anavar is not a particularly potent dosage. I know women who use 20mg of anavar ed.
 
i have found that even higher doses of Var work better, 60-80mg, but of course most cant afford the price. The 7A-4OHN is not my product. I will be bringing out 17a-4OHN, and yes my price will be lower. I wont release any price info for it until after the test results are done by the end of next week.
As for dosing, if you weigh under 200lbs i would start with 5mg and work your way up if needed each week. Above 200 i would start with 10mg and try to increase each week by 5mg till you are around 20-30mg. You have to remember that even though in Vida it is said to be 10 times stronger then Anavar, it may not be relative. For instance, it may be 10 times stronger as compared 1mg to 10mg. But that dosent mean that 10mg is the same as 100mg. Also it dosent mean 10 times the amount of muscle either. All of these questions will have to be answered as more people get to test it. And as soon as it is ready to be tested I will let everyone know.
 
Designer Supps, I didn't quite get your previous post, isn't methyl-4OHN and 17aa-4OHN the same thing??
 
ok, Methyl-4OHN and 17a-4OHN are the same. 7a means that it was methylated in the 7th position instead of 17. which means it is less liver toxic and not as strong. you can also do a 1a methylation like what is done with Primo. did this help?
 
Yeah, I think that pretty much explained it bro. I'm guessing that it will have descent estrogen properties too right? Or am I wrong? I thought that it would besomewhat like 4-AD?

IOW, do you think it will be a fairly dry compound, or cause a bit of water retention. I'm hoping it acts like 4-AD myself.

Make sure you post here when you get the lab assays bro!!
 
No it is nothing like 4ad.... i think you may be confused..... it is 4-hydroxynandrolone whcih many companies are marketing as a legal/oral deca but this comparison is not accurate...
 
there should be no estrogen or progesterone sides (according to theories of 4 hydroxy's).
Jergo, if that is what you are looking for you may want to think about trying M4AD or M4OHT.
And as soon as the test are in I will post it. I have to say that the 4AD prop, 5AA cyp, M5AA and M1T came out great, so I have no reason to believe these wont either.
 
Designer Supps said:
there should be no estrogen or progesterone sides (according to theories of 4 hydroxy's).
Jergo, if that is what you are looking for you may want to think about trying M4AD or M4OHT.
And as soon as the test are in I will post it. I have to say that the 4AD prop, 5AA cyp, M5AA and M1T came out great, so I have no reason to believe these wont either.
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Wow, now I am confused. I thought that we were talking about only (2) compounds here, being 17a-4OHN and 7a-4OHN, and in which the only difference was where the methylation took place. and that M-4OHN was the same as well.

Sorry, guess I'm not too good with the different names. Can you tell me what is going on then? :)

And the M-4OHN is what I'm looking for right? So, are you going to be carrying that also? If I'm gonna pin anything, I'm just gonna do the real thing, in response to the 4-AD prop.

Thanx for your help.
 
Man, I reread and did a search and I'm surprised there are so many compounds coming out. I think I'll be more interested in M-4-OHT vs OHN.

How does OHN avoid estrogen/[progestational (sp?) sides? What does the theory look like?
 
Lets see if I can straighten this out some, when i was typing M4OHN i am referring to the compound I am working on and will be bringing out which is 17a-4OHN.

4-OHN is a highly anabolic / androgenic hormone that possesses unique characteristics that can be altered depending upon the type of modification such as 17-alpha alkylation or side chain attachment of long chain ester or ether. Some of these unique characteristics include enhanced anabolism, inhibition of estrogen biosynthesis, no progestational conversion, no estrogenic conversion, and no sodium retention.

Its should be 27 times more anabolic then Methyl test (which is the standard for oral delivery)
 
Here is the info from Vida
17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-estra-4,9 dien-3-one
v.p. s.v. l.a. standard
30 30 130 17a-MT
200 300 1000 17a-MT oral

.....M14ADD, M4OHN, M1T, M5AA, M4OHT and M-Dien inside 2 weeks
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I should have mentioned I also read your above post at mm hence my interest in m-4oht. Do you have vida numbers for all your compounds (every self-respecting peddlar of research chem should ;) ?
 
Here's a simplified explanation of the two:

  • Both share the 4-hydroxy substituent.
    If trends hold, this means they will have significant anti-estrogen properties.
  • Both have very good AA ratios.
  • Both are VERY anabolic.
    M-4OHN will most likely trump M-4OHT in the anabolic department but that is not to say M-4OHT will be an inferior compound. It's all in how you use it.

I would be interested to explore the possible use of M-4OHT in a bridge scenario. Or, M-4OHN used as a low dose cutting agent (strictly for minimizing mass wasting). The possibilites are abound...it's up to you bros to find the best application.

Chemo
 
MarcusG said:
I should have mentioned I also read your above post at mm hence my interest in m-4oht. Do you have vida numbers for all your compounds (every self-respecting peddlar of research chem should ;) ?
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Where did you get those Vida values? That chemical name is NOT M-4OHN.

Chemo
 
Chemo said:
possible use of M-4OHT in a bridge scenario.
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You wound me when you speak those words.

:saw:
 
I don't know what compound Sledgehammer is referring to in the Vida numbers. I just cut and pasted a post from mm.
 
Its one of the other new Methyls I got a sample of and have been working on. Bruce Kneller wanted some info for it, so I posted it. Its insane (on paper anyway) it will be like the baby cousin of methyltrienolone. I have had my chem house working overtime so that i can get some of these within the next few weeks.
personally i think that the M4OHN, used in smaller amounts will stack great with M5AA for precontest. By using small amounts of it, with no water retention from either compound, no chance of estrogen or proegsterone, you may actually be able to add 2-3lbs of muscle while deiting and not loosing your strength or your mind while on low cals.

For the 4-OHT bridge which is a great idea, you could add small amounts of gh or igf1 and between5-10iu insulin postworkout days only.

And the Vida is good for some rough numbers, although there are better books for steroid structures, but there are definite differences between real world and paper. But as long as we have all those great lab rats out there we can always test them and see what truly is great.
 
yelis300 said:
When you say bridging do you mean using these supps between cycles?
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It's a controversial topic but one that needs to be explored and researched by experienced users. Up until now there really hasn't been a suitable compound for experimentation but the latest compounds may make that a reality.

New thread? ;)

Chemo
 
listen everyone, i just bought 7a-ohn so thats the best! i paid a lot so thats the best. i'm excited so thats the best. lets all forget about these other compounds okay :)
 
I definetly think they can be stacked with 4 ad for bulking. It also depends on what you consider bulking. Most understand that there will be some water retention, but lately everyone seems to be freaking out over water retention or some estrogen. Sometimes there are certain situations where it is a good idea to have a little water and we need estrogen for gh to igf1 conversion.
 
"7aa-Methyl-4OHN" is the title of the thread on bb which there is some debate over the side effects of 7aa-4OHN especially its progesterone sides.
 
2gcorey said:
listen everyone, i just bought 7a-ohn so thats the best! i paid a lot so thats the best. i'm excited so thats the best. lets all forget about these other compounds okay :)
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Any updates yet bro?
 
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whats wrong with website ?
 
lets see, If instynct sells 1 kilo of 7a-OHN he grosses what, 300,000? I would be shocked of a kilo costs him over 10k. He is raping everyone without lube on this one.
 
theprolangtum said:
lets see, If instynct sells 1 kilo of 7a-OHN he grosses what, 300,000? I would be shocked of a kilo costs him over 10k. He is raping everyone without lube on this one.
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Tell me about it. The price is just plain ridiculous. My conscience alone wouldn't let me charge that high of a price. But, bump again for 2gcorey....
 
Jergo said:
Tell me about it. The price is just plain ridiculous. My conscience alone wouldn't let me charge that high of a price. But, bump again for 2gcorey....
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well, if he's rapin everyone that bad, someone else will come out with a similar product soon and he'll lose his arse in business
 
If anyone cares, and I'm sure some do, I will have 17a-4OHN in a liquid solution, which is being done by Black Star Labs, in stock in 2-3 weeks. I will also have 20mg caps of 17a-5aa and Tiratricol caps at 2mg in the same time period. I already have M1T at 10mg caps, really cheap, along with usnic acid and some other goodies. The site should be up in like 2 days. Hopefully Chemo and I can work out some agreement to posting/advertising banner in here....
 
custom said:
If anyone cares, and I'm sure some do, I will have 17a-4OHN in a liquid solution, which is being done by Black Star Labs, in stock in 2-3 weeks. I will also have 20mg caps of 17a-5aa and Tiratricol caps at 2mg in the same time period. I already have M1T at 10mg caps, really cheap, along with usnic acid and some other goodies. The site should be up in like 2 days. Hopefully Chemo and I can work out some agreement to posting/advertising banner in here....
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From PDRhealth.com:

Tiratricol (TRIAC)

DESCRIPTION
Tiratricol is an orphan drug for use in combination with levothyroxine to suppress thyroid stimulating hormone in patients with well-differentiated thyroid cancer who are intolerant to adequate doses of levothyroxine alone. Tiratricol is a metabolite of the thyroid hormone triiodothyronine (T3) and has thyroid hormone activity.

Tiratricol is also marketed as a dietary supplement for weight-loss purposes. In November, 1999, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) warned against consuming products containing tiratricol. This was based on reports of individuals using tiratricol developing side effects, such as fatigue, lethargy, profound weight loss and severe diarrhea. They were also found to have abnormal thyroid function tests. Further action by the FDA is being considered.

Tiratricol is also known as triiododothyroacetic acid, TRIAC, 3,5,3' -triiodothyroacetic acid and [4-(4-hydroxy-3-iodophenoxy)-3,5-di-iodophenyl]acetic acid. Its molecular formula is C14H9I3O4, and its molecular weight is 621.9 daltons.

ACTIONS AND PHARMACOLOGY
ACTIONS
Tiratricol has thyroid hormone activity, including various metabolic effects. It also inhibits the secretion of thyroid-stimulating hormone (TSH) by the pituitary gland.

MECHANISM OF ACTION
The mechanism by which thyroid hormones exert their various actions has not been completely elucidated. Tiratricol is known to act as a feedback inhibitor of TSH secretion by the pituitary gland.

PHARMACOKINETICS
Much is unknown about the pharmacokinetics of tiratricol in humans. The pharmacokinetics of tiratricol appear to be similar to those of thyroxine and triiodothyronine. Tiratricol is absorbed from the small intestine following ingestion. Distribution of tiratricol in the body has not been fully elucidated. Most of this substance appears to be bound to serum proteins, including thyroxine-binding protein and albumin. It appears to be less firmly bound to serum proteins than are T4 and T3. The liver appears to be the major site of degradation of tiratricol. Tiratricol appears to be conjugated with glucuronic acid and sulfuric acid and excreted in the bile. Mainly because it is less tightly bound to serum proteins, tiratricol has a shorter half-life than T4 or T3.

INDICATIONS AND USAGE
The FDA has warned consumers not to purchase tiratricol-containing products due to risk of serious health consequences, including heart attacks and strokes. Tiratricol should be used only under a physician's supervision. Tiratricol is currently used by some as a supplement to burn fat. The doses required to achieve this effect pose significant health risks.

RESEARCH SUMMARY
Tiratricol is an orphan drug. The FDA has determined that it should not be used as a nutritional supplement due to serious potential health risks including heart attack and stroke.

CONTRAINDICATIONS, PRECAUTIONS, ADVERSE REACTIONS
CONTRAINDICATIONS
Tiratricol is contraindicated in those with untreated thyrotoxicosis of any etiology and in those with uncorrected adrenal insufficiency. Thyroid hormones increase tissue demands for adrenocortical hormones and may thereby precipitate acute adrenal crisis. Tiratricol is also contraindicated in those who are hypersensitive to any component of a tiratricol-containing product.

PRECAUTIONS
Tiratricol should only be used for specific approved indications and only under strict medical supervision. Tiratricol should not be used as a treatment for obesity. Tiratricol should be used with extreme caution in those with cardiovascular disorders (including angina, coronary artery disease and hypertension) and in the elderly who have a greater likelihood of occult cardiac disease. Concomitant use of tiratricol and sympathomimetic agents in those with coronary artery disease may increase the risk of coronary insufficiency.

Use of tiratricol in those with concomitant diabetes mellitus, diabetes insipidus or adrenal cortical insufficiency may aggravate the intensity of their symptoms.

ADVERSE REACTIONS
Reported adverse reactions include fatigue, lethargy, profound weight loss and severe diarrhea. Tiratricol has also been reported to cause abnormal thyroid function tests.

INTERACTIONS
DRUGS
Anticoagulants (oral). The hypoprothrombinemic effect of anticoagulants, such as warfarin, may be potentiated.

Sympathomimetic agents. There is a possible increased risk of coronary insufficiency in those with coronary artery disease.

Thyroid drugs (levothyroxine, triiodothyronine, thyroid). Concomitant use of tiratricol with these thyroid drugs is likely to produce additive effects.

LABORATORY TESTS
Tiratricol is likely to alter thyroid function tests, including TSH, T4 and T3.

OVERDOSAGE
There have been no reports of overdosage with tiratricol. Excessive doses of tiratricol theoretically may result in a hypermetabolic state indistinguishable from thyrotoxicosis.

DOSAGE AND ADMINISTRATION
Tiratricol is not recommended for use as a dietary supplement.

LITERATURE
Anon. FDA warns against consuming dietary supplements containing tiratricol. FDA Talk Paper. Nov 21, 2000.

Bracco D, Morin O, Schutz Y, et al. Comparison of the metabolic effects of 3,5,3'-triiodothyroacetic acid and thyroxine. J Clin Endocrin Met. 1993; 77:221-228.

Radetti G, Persani L, Molinaro G, et al. Clinical and hormonal outcome after two years of triiodothyroacetic acid treatment in a child with thyroid hormone resistance. Thyroid. 1997; 7:775-778.

Takeda T, Suzuki S, Liu RT, DeGroot LJ. Triiodothyroacetic acid has unique potential for therapy of resistance to thyroid hormone. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1995; 80:2033-2040.
 
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