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7 keto Dhea oral vs transdermal??

Bigwyatt

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Does anyone have experience with these? Which form is better? And which doseage is best for weight loss? I just want to add it to a cycle if it's worth it.

Big guy here 6'4" 245lbs about 13-14% bf.

Thank you!
 
Bigwyatt said:
Does anyone have experience with these? Which form is better? And which doseage is best for weight loss? I just want to add it to a cycle if it's worth it.

Big guy here 6'4" 245lbs about 13-14% bf.

Thank you!
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Can’t quite answer your Q but when I did use a transdermal test (AndroGel) I felt it way more then 4-andro. I used the AndroGel pre workout and once it dried (after like 30sec) I would add a cream so it would go deeper and then I would workout with a hoodie on and once I got a sweat going it entered my pores. Total broscience but I did feel a rush of mental energy. So I say if you chose transdermal try the same protocol I did.
 
What type of cream did you add? I actually am planning to use a transdermal TNE (test no ester) preworkout too.
 
It’s cheap doesn’t cost much for moisture and it gives you an extra edge on pre workout so yes I would say so I combined it with LGD never suffered low T sides.
 
I have used both and...I don't think there is a direct answer to which is better. I kind of feel this way about 11-KT transdermal vs. 11-oxo oral too.

Yes, oral bio-availability "sucks" with 7-KT but we really only have estimates of how much transdermal bio-availability there is too. Orally, the liver conerts a large portion of the 7-KT before it hits the blood stream, but one way of dealing with this is to take larger doses. Of course this is an added cost, but a larger dose will have a dramatically higher BV than a smaller dose, at least in theory, once you deplete the liver enzymes responsible for converting it. A larger dose of transdermal KT won't achieve this effect. Of course, this can be more expensive. But I will say this, I've seen the best results with higher dose 7-KT vs. transdermal 7-KT at more moderate doses....but even that is difficult to replicate.

Both have their use. If you can only afford 250 mg/day or less, I would go transdermal. The moisturizer is a good idea for keeping your skin moisturized, which will enhance permeation vs. alcohol dried skin. But another alcohol based solvent, like hand sanitizer, will be better for actual penetration. Still, it's a good practice to keep the skin moist throughout the day, so the moisturizer isn't a bad idea either.
 
JCR97 said:
Can’t quite answer your Q but when I did use a transdermal test (AndroGel) I felt it way more then 4-andro. I used the AndroGel pre workout and once it dried (after like 30sec) I would add a cream so it would go deeper and then I would workout with a hoodie on and once I got a sweat going it entered my pores. Total broscience but I did feel a rush of mental energy. So I say if you chose transdermal try the same protocol I did.
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what? thats crazy bro... you used a hoodie to sweat right after using transdermal test? wtf... you probably lost/wasted a huge % of it doing so...
its totally ill advised to go under water(shower/beach/etc...) or into sweating situations for like at least 4-6 hours after applying... 2 hours minimum

if your hoodie had muscles, it would had probably made way more gainz than you lol
 
Regarding the OP, isnt SNS reduce xt basically 7-keto (oral)? and this forum seems to give it great reviews...

sort of contradicting to see people crap on oral 7-keto and love reduce xt over here.
 
HIT4ME said:
I have used both and...I don't think there is a direct answer to which is better. I kind of feel this way about 11-KT transdermal vs. 11-oxo oral too.

Yes, oral bio-availability "sucks" with 7-KT but we really only have estimates of how much transdermal bio-availability there is too. Orally, the liver conerts a large portion of the 7-KT before it hits the blood stream, but one way of dealing with this is to take larger doses. Of course this is an added cost, but a larger dose will have a dramatically higher BV than a smaller dose, at least in theory, once you deplete the liver enzymes responsible for converting it. A larger dose of transdermal KT won't achieve this effect. Of course, this can be more expensive. But I will say this, I've seen the best results with higher dose 7-KT vs. transdermal 7-KT at more moderate doses....but even that is difficult to replicate.

Both have their use. If you can only afford 250 mg/day or less, I would go transdermal. The moisturizer is a good idea for keeping your skin moisturized, which will enhance permeation vs. alcohol dried skin. But another alcohol based solvent, like hand sanitizer, will be better for actual penetration. Still, it's a good practice to keep the skin moist throughout the day, so the moisturizer isn't a bad idea either.
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agree with the hand sanitizer!!!
 
Another thing you may want to consider is the half life of 7-keto...It's roughly 2 hours.

if you were going to take oral 7-keto you would ideally take small doses throughout the day to equal 200mg+

Transdermal application also buffers delivery for 6-8 hours or longer, allowing improved bioavailability while also eliminating the need to dose frequently.

I'd have to dig a little through notes to compare actual bioavailability numbers.
 
Intresting, I know people talk poor BA on the oral, but I've never seen mention of actually %. Since I'd be running sr9009 on my next cycle, dosing every 2hrs for orals won't be an issue.
 
IconicForm said:
Another thing you may want to consider is the half life of 7-keto...It's roughly 2 hours.

if you were going to take oral 7-keto you would ideally take small doses throughout the day to equal 200mg+

Transdermal application also buffers delivery for 6-8 hours or longer, allowing improved bioavailability while also eliminating the need to dose frequently.

I'd have to dig a little through notes to compare actual bioavailability numbers.
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Yeah, the issue is the pass through the liver though.. so taking multiple small doses may just be a waste. If you have sufficient enzyme that you can eliminate 100 mg in the liver and you take 400 mg all at once, that will be better than taking 100 mg, eliminating nearly all of it, giving the liver time to regenerate enzymes, taking another 100 mg, etc. Of course, this is all theoretical and both theories are worth experimenting with...just providing the other side.


The pharmacodynamics are, admittedly, not ideal. This of course is one of the arguments for transdermal delivery.
 
Rostam said:
But is it still possible to find 7oxo powder to make transdermal? I can't find any anymore.
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Iron Legion has a 7-keto td VII-KT and we are about to release Icon Seven.

MPA, Prototype Nutrition, and Muscle Gelz also make 7-keto TD's...may be others that I'm just not familiar with.

There are some good options on the market
 
IconicForm said:
Iron Legion has a 7-keto td VII-KT and we are about to release Icon Seven.

MPA, Prototype Nutrition, and Muscle Gelz also make 7-keto TD's...may be others that I'm just not familiar with.

There are some good options on the market
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Icon rocks.
 
IconicForm said:
Iron Legion has a 7-keto td VII-KT and we are about to release Icon Seven.

MPA, Prototype Nutrition, and Muscle Gelz also make 7-keto TD's...may be others that I'm just not familiar with.

There are some good options on the market
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I’m not talking about premixed 7oxo but bulk 7oxo powder.
 
i'd go with transdermal as well, however I'd rather buy a product than playing the guessing game of making a carrier of a lotion that may not be an overall good moisturizer to begin with
 
I love td's..if only I could find a steak and potato td, lol.
 
IconicForm said:
Another thing you may want to consider is the half life of 7-keto...It's roughly 2 hours.

if you were going to take oral 7-keto you would ideally take small doses throughout the day to equal 200mg+

Transdermal application also buffers delivery for 6-8 hours or longer, allowing improved bioavailability while also eliminating the need to dose frequently.

I'd have to dig a little through notes to compare actual bioavailability numbers.
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bumping this post for the good info!!!
 
From what I have seen the amount of Oral you have to take compared to the TD version is substantially more. 200mg throughout the day is around 8 capsules spread out throughout the day verses a small amount of salvo or lotion in the AM. TD version makes dosing much easier and more available.
 
JCR97 said:
Just your regular moisturizer like jergens or whatever
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IMO using regular lotion with parabens is not ideal. I personally don't want anymore of those chems in my system. I do use a lotion that is sans parabens for the same effect as you though.
 
any td is going to work better
 
Bigwyatt said:
Does anyone have experience with these? Which form is better? And which doseage is best for weight loss? I just want to add it to a cycle if it's worth it.

Big guy here 6'4" 245lbs about 13-14% bf.

Thank you!
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I think if your already doing a cycle its prob not worth it. I think its supposed to suppress cortisol but I dont think its a problem if you're on. IDK I might be confused about what it actually does.
 
Run 7 keto in pct. Split up dosage 4 times per day. Example 50 mg every 4 hrs. SNS reduce xt is high quality. Its has alpha isomer which others brand usually don't.
 
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