5-AT, 7-OH, 7-Keto, 11-oxo, and other anti cortisol steroids...

[AndroRage]

I literally just started the Core 5-AT a couple days ago. I have two bottles, so running 4 caps a day (100mg). 2 in AM, 2 in PM. Too early to tell anything yet.

Nice! I would appreciate if you keep me updated with any effects it has, if possible?

Kind regards

 

[BigGame84]

In for sources of effectively dosed/priced 11-oxo products since Medfit left the scene

Only option for 11-oxo in the States right now is probably Enhanced Formulations.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

Has anybody tried Enhanced Formulations 11-Lean?

yes its gtg also use my code Rippfirst35 for a great deal!!

 

[johnny412]

In for sources of effectively dosed/priced 11-oxo products since Medfit left the scene

no sourcing

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

i dont think 11oxo falls into the same catagory as AAS ... its still sold as a supplement. EF has good legit adrenosterone.

 

[Oldog]

If any of them have imported Medfit RX 11oxo syrup from the US you would be very lucky.

Is there any of the syrup to be found? I’ve seen you recommend it before. Should have stocked up when I did find it.

 

[BigGame84]

Why they make it in a syrup? Looks like it’s medicine lol

 

[Hyde]

Why they make it in a syrup? Looks like it’s medicine lol

Why did they release Methyl Tren as a nasal spray? Who knows.

 

[nostrum420]

Why did they release Methyl Tren as a nasal spray? Who knows.

I've been meaning to make a DMAA or DMHA nasal spray but it keeps getting shuffled to the back burner...

 

[lanky]

I literally just started the Core 5-AT a couple days ago. I have two bottles, so running 4 caps a day (100mg). 2 in AM, 2 in PM. Too early to tell anything yet.

core 5-at is a solid product, I have used around 8 bottles in a 3 year period, for some reason it decreased endurance during cardio though

 

[AndroRage]

core 5-at is a solid product, I have used around 8 bottles in a 3 year period, for some reason it decreased endurance during cardio though

Hey,

I’m looking at the product. Can you if possible give a detailed information on what you noticed from it and what you experienced?

Would appreciate.

Kind regards

 

[lanky]

Hey,

I’m looking at the product. Can you if possible give a detailed information on what you noticed from it and what you experienced?

Would appreciate.

Kind regards

the main thing I noticed was muscles stayed a little bit more full than usual. no real pumps in the gym compared to normal .I did not notice any "feel" to the product or perceived energy or lethargy. stayed full looking even when cutting carbs..i did notice some withdrawal symptoms when I stopped taking the product after 3 months of use. my heart rate was constantly in the mid 80s-90's, usually resting heart rate is 50s for me for a few days after. this symptom was reproduced after each cycle. the effective dose was 75-100mg a day for me. anything over 125mg was overkill and no difference was noticed even when I went up to around 200mg ish a day .I still did notice and effect from 50mg. no difference when I took it w food or empty stomach. I have taken a transdermal version of b-androstenetriol but found oral was more effective for me and a little less messy. this product was way more effective than 7 keto dhea and 7OH dhea for me.

 

[UNX]

this product was way more effective than 7 keto dhea and 7OH dhea for me.

I really want to see bloods pre and post 7-keto, I don't know if it's really effective.
Were you using b-androstenetriol for cutting?

 

[lanky]

Before taking the supplement i had no intent to cut but trying on clothing from a year before and pants that fit very tight led me to decrease carbs while taking it.lol.

 

[Rockslide]

Prototype nutrition appears to have come out with a BAET product that is a oral liquid solution with cyclodextrin for improved bioavailability

 

[lanky]

Prototype nutrition appears to have come out with a BAET product that is a oral liquid solution with cyclodextrin for improved bioavailability

I knew they had transdermal that had b-aet in it but i will have to check out the oral soln

 

[Rockslide]

I’m pretty sure I read it was oral solution, part of the new essential adrenals collection .

 

[nostrum420]

Prototype nutrition appears to have come out with a BAET product that is a oral liquid solution with cyclodextrin for improved bioavailability

Tasty.

 

[lanky]

Would be interesting to see if they come out w more compounds than b-aet and dhea

 

[lanky]

I have not seen PA post anything about the release, these days he rarely posts on message boards anymore

 

[DR.D]

I believe 5AT is what was in lean extreme. I remember 7OH but can’t recall what it was in.

Yes, that is correct, it had 50mg 5-AT (bAET) plus 25mg 7-OH per cap.

It also had 7-Oxo-DHEA Acetate in it for awhile, until 7-Keto threatened to sue.

 

[lanky]

Yes, that is correct, it had 50mg 5-AT (bAET) plus 25mg 7-OH per cap.

It also had 7-Oxo-DHEA Acetate in it for awhile, until 7-Keto threatened to sue.

I wish i could get my hands on 17a methyl bAET....masterbAET(patent pending)

 

[DR.D]

I wish i could get my hands on 17a methyl bAET....masterbAET(patent pending)

Yeah, ALR used to sell it in his PCT product! It worked pretty well but it made you feel like crap. Still, if I could find it I'd use it too, lol.

 

[AndroRage]

the main thing I noticed was muscles stayed a little bit more full than usual. no real pumps in the gym compared to normal .I did not notice any "feel" to the product or perceived energy or lethargy. stayed full looking even when cutting carbs..i did notice some withdrawal symptoms when I stopped taking the product after 3 months of use. my heart rate was constantly in the mid 80s-90's, usually resting heart rate is 50s for me for a few days after. this symptom was reproduced after each cycle. the effective dose was 75-100mg a day for me. anything over 125mg was overkill and no difference was noticed even when I went up to around 200mg ish a day .I still did notice and effect from 50mg. no difference when I took it w food or empty stomach. I have taken a transdermal version of b-androstenetriol but found oral was more effective for me and a little less messy. this product was way more effective than 7 keto dhea and 7OH dhea for me.

Nice!

Thanks for the detailed response. I’m looking at running it @ 100mg daily. When you say more effective than 7 Keto and 7OH, which 7OH product are you referring to (as I’m using sns reduce XT but not sure if that is that).

So sounds worthwhile for a mini cut or Recomp and to control cortisol?

It’s interesting to hear your thoughts as a lot of people say oral is worthless and get transdermal but you saying otherwise?

Thanks again

 

[AndroRage]

Yes, that is correct, it had 50mg 5-AT (bAET) plus 25mg 7-OH per cap.

It also had 7-Oxo-DHEA Acetate in it for awhile, until 7-Keto threatened to sue.

How would you compare 5-AT and 7-OH? I wasn’t really around when these first came to market and I know your very knowledgeable on the sophisticated stuff.

 

[Hyde]

How would you compare 5-AT and 7-OH? I wasn’t really around when these first came to market and I know your very knowledgeable on the sophisticated stuff.

In for answer

 

[nostrum420]

How would you compare 5-AT and 7-OH? I wasn’t really around when these first came to market and I know your very knowledgeable on the sophisticated stuff.

5AT>7OH>7Keto

 

[Hyde]

5AT>7OH>7Keto

Is 5AT suppressive at all? How would you employ it in drug and training cycles? I realize this is very open-ended.

I have only used 7Keto the first month of PCT.

 

[Hyde]

5AT>7OH>7Keto

Is 5AT suppressive at all? How would you employ it in drug and training cycles? I realize this is very open-ended.

I have only used 7Keto the first month of PCT.

 

[lanky]

5at is not suppressive. It is a antiglucorticoid. I have used it while training without any other supplementation and has been effective w maintenance caloric intake as well as slight to moderate reduction in carbs. Just as effective both ways but you will maintain some muscle fullness diring a cut...either way my endurance during cardio was reduced w this supplement

 

[nostrum420]

Is 5AT suppressive at all? How would you employ it in drug and training cycles? I realize this is very open-ended.

I have only used 7Keto the first month of PCT.

It's not suppressive. I think a low to moderate dose over a long period is best.

 

[UNX]

Maybe I'm wrong, but can 7OH and 7keto be interconverted in the body?

 

[nostrum420]

Maybe I'm wrong, but can 7OH and 7keto be interconverted in the body?

All three.

 

[DR.D]

How would you compare 5-AT and 7-OH? I wasn’t really around when these first came to market and I know your very knowledgeable on the sophisticated stuff.

7-OH-DHEA is a good compound, but it's only about half as potent as bAET, plus it's slightly more expensive. That's my guess why it's so rarely used now, because it's just not as cost effective, but it is synergistic when you compine them (just like most other DHEA metabolites.) Some people start to get achey joints on higher amounts of bAET (like over 75-100mg/d) so adding some Adrenosterone, DHEA, 7-OH-DHEA and/or 7-Oxo-DHEA can offer a nice buffer with synergism to compound the benefits of bAET at lower serving sizes.

 

[AndroRage]

7-OH-DHEA is a good compound, but it's only about half as potent as bAET, plus it's slightly more expensive. That's my guess why it's so rarely used now, because it's just not as cost effective, but it is synergistic when you compine them (just like most other DHEA metabolites.) Some people start to get achey joints on higher amounts of bAET (like over 75-100mg/d) so adding some Adrenosterone, DHEA, 7-OH-DHEA and/or 7-Oxo-DHEA can offer a nice buffer with synergism to compound the benefits of bAET at lower serving sizes.

How is the oral bioavailability of 5-AT? A lot of people of here claim and state oral is worthless, yet I’m sure it’s initial release was oral? Many claim transdermal is the way to go

thank you

 

[lanky]

How is the oral bioavailability of 5-AT? A lot of people of here claim and state oral is worthless, yet I’m sure it’s initial release was oral? Many claim transdermal is the way to go

thank you

seems to be effective at 25mg-50mg per dose

 

[AndroRage]

seems to be effective at 25mg-50mg per dose

just a lot of consensus seems to be that it should be transdermal

 

[nostrum420]

3 hydroxyl groups aren't gonna survive 1st pass very well. The majority will be glucuronidated or sulfated and quickly excreted.