5-AT, 7-OH, 7-Keto, 11-oxo, and other anti cortisol steroids...

BigGame84 said:
I literally just started the Core 5-AT a couple days ago. I have two bottles, so running 4 caps a day (100mg). 2 in AM, 2 in PM. Too early to tell anything yet.
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Nice! I would appreciate if you keep me updated with any effects it has, if possible?

Kind regards
 
i dont think 11oxo falls into the same catagory as AAS ... its still sold as a supplement. EF has good legit adrenosterone.
 
BigGame84 said:
I literally just started the Core 5-AT a couple days ago. I have two bottles, so running 4 caps a day (100mg). 2 in AM, 2 in PM. Too early to tell anything yet.
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core 5-at is a solid product, I have used around 8 bottles in a 3 year period, for some reason it decreased endurance during cardio though
 
lanky said:
core 5-at is a solid product, I have used around 8 bottles in a 3 year period, for some reason it decreased endurance during cardio though
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Hey,

I’m looking at the product. Can you if possible give a detailed information on what you noticed from it and what you experienced?

Would appreciate.

Kind regards
 
AndroRage said:
Hey,

I’m looking at the product. Can you if possible give a detailed information on what you noticed from it and what you experienced?

Would appreciate.

Kind regards
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the main thing I noticed was muscles stayed a little bit more full than usual. no real pumps in the gym compared to normal .I did not notice any "feel" to the product or perceived energy or lethargy. stayed full looking even when cutting carbs..i did notice some withdrawal symptoms when I stopped taking the product after 3 months of use. my heart rate was constantly in the mid 80s-90's, usually resting heart rate is 50s for me for a few days after. this symptom was reproduced after each cycle. the effective dose was 75-100mg a day for me. anything over 125mg was overkill and no difference was noticed even when I went up to around 200mg ish a day .I still did notice and effect from 50mg. no difference when I took it w food or empty stomach. I have taken a transdermal version of b-androstenetriol but found oral was more effective for me and a little less messy. this product was way more effective than 7 keto dhea and 7OH dhea for me.
 
lanky said:
this product was way more effective than 7 keto dhea and 7OH dhea for me.
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I really want to see bloods pre and post 7-keto, I don't know if it's really effective.
Were you using b-androstenetriol for cutting?
 
Before taking the supplement i had no intent to cut but trying on clothing from a year before and pants that fit very tight led me to decrease carbs while taking it.lol.
 
Prototype nutrition appears to have come out with a BAET product that is a oral liquid solution with cyclodextrin for improved bioavailability
 
Rockslide said:
Prototype nutrition appears to have come out with a BAET product that is a oral liquid solution with cyclodextrin for improved bioavailability
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I knew they had transdermal that had b-aet in it but i will have to check out the oral soln
 
I have not seen PA post anything about the release, these days he rarely posts on message boards anymore
 
jrock645 said:
I believe 5AT is what was in lean extreme. I remember 7OH but can’t recall what it was in.
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Yes, that is correct, it had 50mg 5-AT (bAET) plus 25mg 7-OH per cap.

It also had 7-Oxo-DHEA Acetate in it for awhile, until 7-Keto threatened to sue. :)
 
DR.D said:
Yes, that is correct, it had 50mg 5-AT (bAET) plus 25mg 7-OH per cap.

It also had 7-Oxo-DHEA Acetate in it for awhile, until 7-Keto threatened to sue. :)
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I wish i could get my hands on 17a methyl bAET....masterbAET(patent pending)
 
lanky said:
I wish i could get my hands on 17a methyl bAET....masterbAET(patent pending)
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Yeah, ALR used to sell it in his PCT product! It worked pretty well but it made you feel like crap. Still, if I could find it I'd use it too, lol.
 
lanky said:
the main thing I noticed was muscles stayed a little bit more full than usual. no real pumps in the gym compared to normal .I did not notice any "feel" to the product or perceived energy or lethargy. stayed full looking even when cutting carbs..i did notice some withdrawal symptoms when I stopped taking the product after 3 months of use. my heart rate was constantly in the mid 80s-90's, usually resting heart rate is 50s for me for a few days after. this symptom was reproduced after each cycle. the effective dose was 75-100mg a day for me. anything over 125mg was overkill and no difference was noticed even when I went up to around 200mg ish a day .I still did notice and effect from 50mg. no difference when I took it w food or empty stomach. I have taken a transdermal version of b-androstenetriol but found oral was more effective for me and a little less messy. this product was way more effective than 7 keto dhea and 7OH dhea for me.
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Nice!

Thanks for the detailed response. I’m looking at running it @ 100mg daily. When you say more effective than 7 Keto and 7OH, which 7OH product are you referring to (as I’m using sns reduce XT but not sure if that is that).

So sounds worthwhile for a mini cut or Recomp and to control cortisol?

It’s interesting to hear your thoughts as a lot of people say oral is worthless and get transdermal but you saying otherwise?

Thanks again
 
DR.D said:
Yes, that is correct, it had 50mg 5-AT (bAET) plus 25mg 7-OH per cap.

It also had 7-Oxo-DHEA Acetate in it for awhile, until 7-Keto threatened to sue. :)
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How would you compare 5-AT and 7-OH? I wasn’t really around when these first came to market and I know your very knowledgeable on the sophisticated stuff.
 
5at is not suppressive. It is a antiglucorticoid. I have used it while training without any other supplementation and has been effective w maintenance caloric intake as well as slight to moderate reduction in carbs. Just as effective both ways but you will maintain some muscle fullness diring a cut...either way my endurance during cardio was reduced w this supplement
 
Hyde said:
Is 5AT suppressive at all? How would you employ it in drug and training cycles? I realize this is very open-ended.

I have only used 7Keto the first month of PCT.
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It's not suppressive. I think a low to moderate dose over a long period is best.
 
AndroRage said:
How would you compare 5-AT and 7-OH? I wasn’t really around when these first came to market and I know your very knowledgeable on the sophisticated stuff.
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7-OH-DHEA is a good compound, but it's only about half as potent as bAET, plus it's slightly more expensive. That's my guess why it's so rarely used now, because it's just not as cost effective, but it is synergistic when you compine them (just like most other DHEA metabolites.) Some people start to get achey joints on higher amounts of bAET (like over 75-100mg/d) so adding some Adrenosterone, DHEA, 7-OH-DHEA and/or 7-Oxo-DHEA can offer a nice buffer with synergism to compound the benefits of bAET at lower serving sizes.
 
DR.D said:
7-OH-DHEA is a good compound, but it's only about half as potent as bAET, plus it's slightly more expensive. That's my guess why it's so rarely used now, because it's just not as cost effective, but it is synergistic when you compine them (just like most other DHEA metabolites.) Some people start to get achey joints on higher amounts of bAET (like over 75-100mg/d) so adding some Adrenosterone, DHEA, 7-OH-DHEA and/or 7-Oxo-DHEA can offer a nice buffer with synergism to compound the benefits of bAET at lower serving sizes.
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How is the oral bioavailability of 5-AT? A lot of people of here claim and state oral is worthless, yet I’m sure it’s initial release was oral? Many claim transdermal is the way to go

thank you
 
AndroRage said:
How is the oral bioavailability of 5-AT? A lot of people of here claim and state oral is worthless, yet I’m sure it’s initial release was oral? Many claim transdermal is the way to go

thank you
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seems to be effective at 25mg-50mg per dose
 
3 hydroxyl groups aren't gonna survive 1st pass very well. The majority will be glucuronidated or sulfated and quickly excreted.
 
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