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3-AD, A flop?

Serrated

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Before you meat heads get pissed at the title this is simply a question. Is it a flop? I am currently on the 3-AD & Mass FX stack in the 4th week. For the first 2 weeks at 4 caps a day of both 3-AD & Mass FX I had absolutely no results, the beginning of the 3rd week I started 6 caps of 3-AD a day and 4 caps of Mass FX a day. I am now in the 4th week with no results at all! I have no doubt this shiz works for some but my body seems to not be responding to it. I have followed the instructions and taking the extra servings of good fats when taking 3-AD. I eat 5 meals a day sometimes 6, I train 5 days a week, Wed thru Sun, Day 1 Legs=quads-hams-calves & Abs, Day 2 Chest, Day 3 Back & Abs, Day 4 Bi's & Tri's, Day 5 Delts-Upper Chest & Abs. I am lifting heavier weight...not complaining! I am significantly stronger just not seeing the size I was anticipating with 3-AD. Any suggestions or obvious answers that I am not seeing please let me know. Thank you
 
post up your diet for me and briefly outline one or two of your workouts for me.

Were you taking 15-20g fat which each 3ad dose?
 
post up your diet for me and briefly outline one or two of your workouts for me.

Were you taking 15-20g fat which each 3ad dose?

Meal 1 breakfast- 1cup oatmeal mixed with 50grams protien shake, 6 whole eggs scrambled.
Meal 2 - peanut butter on whole grain with mixed fresh fruit.
Meal 3 lunch- 8oz chicken breast, spinach leaf salad, 50 grams protien shake
Meal 4- 40 grams tuna on spinach leaf salad w/ranch dressing
Meal 5dinner- whether it be roast, steak or lean hamburger meat my dinner consist of a lot of red meat, sometimes chicken, boiled potatoes, anything green (salad, green beans).

Chest day- First workout flat bench 4 sets, 1st set 135lb bp-15reps, 2nd set 185lb bp-15reps, 3rd set 205lb bp-12reps, 4th set 225lb bp-10reps.

Second-Incline Press- 50lb dbip 4sets-15reps, 135lb bbip 4sets-12reps, 155lb bbip 4 sets-10reps

Third-Decline Press- 50lb dbdp 4 sets-15reps, 135lb bbdp 4 sets-12reps

Fourth-Dumbell Flyes- mostly for the stretch and squeeze at the end of chest day- 40lb dbf 4 sets-10reps, 50lb dbf 4 sets-10reps.

At work gotta go! I know this seems weak but any and all suggestions will help.
 
Quick thought and I'll let Justin chime back in when he's on again...

What is your goal here? If you're training 5 days/week straight with no rest days inbetween, I'm apt to say that it isn't training for size. Generally speaking, more rest days inbetween would be more advantageous to let your entire body recover before hitting it again. Even if you go in on a Tuesday and just squat till you drop a load in your shorts, you're still incorporating a LOT more of your body than just legs, and should give yourself a break afterwards. Going back in on Wednesday to do something else may overwork that muscle group, not giving it the chance to fully recover. To me, that's overtraining and can lead to some increased strengh - to a point - but would overall hinder your ability to put on size. Rest = growth

One other ditty... If you are increasing in strength, then you are progressing. If you are getting stronger, then your muscles have indeed changed towards your end goal. One can become bigger without being much stronger, just as one can become leaner without losing much weight. How are you tracking your progress - scale, tape measure, pictures, mirror and memory, reaction from friends and family, lift log? If you're not using atleast 3 of these, then you may be cutting yourself a bit short from seeing your own progress. Never trust just the bathroom scale and the lockerroom mirror.

:cheers:
 
Quick thought and I'll let Justin chime back in when he's on again...

What is your goal here? If you're training 5 days/week straight with no rest days inbetween, I'm apt to say that it isn't training for size. Generally speaking, more rest days inbetween would be more advantageous to let your entire body recover before hitting it again. Even if you go in on a Tuesday and just squat till you drop a load in your shorts, you're still incorporating a LOT more of your body than just legs, and should give yourself a break afterwards. Going back in on Wednesday to do something else may overwork that muscle group, not giving it the chance to fully recover. To me, that's overtraining and can lead to some increased strengh - to a point - but would overall hinder your ability to put on size. Rest = growth

One other ditty... If you are increasing in strength, then you are progressing. If you are getting stronger, then your muscles have indeed changed towards your end goal. One can become bigger without being much stronger, just as one can become leaner without losing much weight. How are you tracking your progress - scale, tape measure, pictures, mirror and memory, reaction from friends and family, lift log? If you're not using atleast 3 of these, then you may be cutting yourself a bit short from seeing your own progress. Never trust just the bathroom scale and the lockerroom mirror.

:cheers:

Never looked at it that way. I don't feel as if I am overtraining but it is time to change it up. I weighed myself before I started 3-AD, again 2 & 3 weeks in and no gain there. I tend to stay away from the scale as much as possible due to the illusion of gain from water weight. My workout log is my best friend, my family tells me I am getting bigger all of the time, haven't measured in a while, but I do take random photos in defferent poses. I see now that I was expecting freakish gains from 3-AD but really all I need is a slap in the face! This is a life long goal, I sometimes need a reminder to slow down.
 
Meal 1 breakfast- 1cup oatmeal mixed with 50grams protien shake, 6 whole eggs scrambled.
Meal 2 - peanut butter on whole grain with mixed fresh fruit.
Meal 3 lunch- 8oz chicken breast, spinach leaf salad, 50 grams protien shake
Meal 4- 40 grams tuna on spinach leaf salad w/ranch dressing
Meal 5dinner- whether it be roast, steak or lean hamburger meat my dinner consist of a lot of red meat, sometimes chicken, boiled potatoes, anything green (salad, green beans).

Chest day- First workout flat bench 4 sets, 1st set 135lb bp-15reps, 2nd set 185lb bp-15reps, 3rd set 205lb bp-12reps, 4th set 225lb bp-10reps.

Second-Incline Press- 50lb dbip 4sets-15reps, 135lb bbip 4sets-12reps, 155lb bbip 4 sets-10reps

Third-Decline Press- 50lb dbdp 4 sets-15reps, 135lb bbdp 4 sets-12reps

Fourth-Dumbell Flyes- mostly for the stretch and squeeze at the end of chest day- 40lb dbf 4 sets-10reps, 50lb dbf 4 sets-10reps.

At work gotta go! I know this seems weak but any and all suggestions will help.

So you are doing 12 sets of incline presses, 8 sets of decline presses, 8 sets of flys PLUS 4 sets of bench press?

Man thats wayyyy overtraining. That would definitely be your issue. I would stick to 12-16 sets TOTAL for chest. I usually do around 14 sets or so.

But as far as not seeing results, this is certainly why, overtraining can definitely hinder your gains significantly
 
Never looked at it that way. I don't feel as if I am overtraining but it is time to change it up. I weighed myself before I started 3-AD, again 2 & 3 weeks in and no gain there. I tend to stay away from the scale as much as possible due to the illusion of gain from water weight. My workout log is my best friend, my family tells me I am getting bigger all of the time, haven't measured in a while, but I do take random photos in defferent poses. I see now that I was expecting freakish gains from 3-AD but really all I need is a slap in the face! This is a life long goal, I sometimes need a reminder to slow down.
lol - I hear ya, man!!! Not that I want to downplay any expectations or negate your feelings at all, but we always have to be realistic. There are many who believe that supplements of all varieties are the magical little pills and potions to make you huge quick. They aren't, but they do give you that extra little edge to push further, go faster longer, and make it through where you struggled on your own. The work is what counts, followed by diet, then rest, and then maybe supplements. Though many see others' progress and expect something similar to happen to them, few realize that we are all so very different in our histories, genetics, training capactiy and style, diet, and overall environment that it's about impossible for you to do the same as me, or vice versa.

But, to the good here, it does sound like you have made progress!! Family telling you that you look different is always an ego boost. Snapping photos is great. The scale? Eh... It's there, but even gravity changes around the world to some degree! Different folks experience things a bit differently. If you strength hasn't gone up, the scale has been the same, but you are looking and feeling harder and more defined, then that's just progress, my friend!! If you program is stale, perhaps it's time to change. Training as frequently as you do would, to me, be training for definition and stamina, rather than just brute size. Personally, with the frequency that I typically train, size is my goal as I could care less about having 6-pack abs. But for you, it's all in what you want out of it. Train wise, and never underestimate the power of research and planning!

And you're definitely right on one thing. This whole thing is about the journey, not just the destination. Have a goal in mind and reach for it. If you miss, then keep reaching! That whole saying about stopping to smell the roses is definitely true, and definitely worth it.
 
Man, T-AD and J have this nailed down! I agree with their suggestions.
Overtraining is a nasty enemy of muscle progression and size.

Good luck. I would definitely like to hear how this correction works out for you, so keep us updated.
 
Meal 1 breakfast- 1cup oatmeal mixed with 50grams protien shake, 6 whole eggs scrambled.
Meal 2 - peanut butter on whole grain with mixed fresh fruit.
Meal 3 lunch- 8oz chicken breast, spinach leaf salad, 50 grams protien shake
Meal 4- 40 grams tuna on spinach leaf salad w/ranch dressing
Meal 5dinner- whether it be roast, steak or lean hamburger meat my dinner consist of a lot of red meat, sometimes chicken, boiled potatoes, anything green (salad, green beans).

Chest day- First workout flat bench 4 sets, 1st set 135lb bp-15reps, 2nd set 185lb bp-15reps, 3rd set 205lb bp-12reps, 4th set 225lb bp-10reps.

Second-Incline Press- 50lb dbip 4sets-15reps, 135lb bbip 4sets-12reps, 155lb bbip 4 sets-10reps

Third-Decline Press- 50lb dbdp 4 sets-15reps, 135lb bbdp 4 sets-12reps

Fourth-Dumbell Flyes- mostly for the stretch and squeeze at the end of chest day- 40lb dbf 4 sets-10reps, 50lb dbf 4 sets-10reps.

At work gotta go! I know this seems weak but any and all suggestions will help.

Id have to agree with whats being said so far. If you want more size cut back on all those sets and all the days you workout. Go 3-4 days a week.
And do a less reps less sets. Theoretically if your doing 15 reps your first set and then 12 the next. You could start with your 12 rep set and do it 15 times, because your muscles are not fatigued. Does this make sense?

Stay in the 6-12 rep range for size, thats a big range most people will say like 8-10.
 
To the original poster: what was your normal progression of lean body mass [LBM] gains prior to this?

Well I don't exactly know. What I do know is that I started training 2 years ago weighing only 160lbs. Hear I am 2 yrs later at 205lbs with little body fat...well you can see my abs. I don't know how to measure body fat percentage. Dam I got a lot more to learn! Every body is giving me some dam good advice though. Can't wait to post my pics after changing it up.
 
Well I don't exactly know. What I do know is that I started training 2 years ago weighing only 160lbs. Hear I am 2 yrs later at 205lbs with little body fat...well you can see my abs. I don't know how to measure body fat percentage. Dam I got a lot more to learn! Every body is giving me some dam good advice though. Can't wait to post my pics after changing it up.

hang in there man. AM is a great place to learn all kinds of stuff. i had my workout ideas corrected two months ago - i never stop learning with this crew :)
 
maybe try taking a full week off ( no you wont deflate ) I did it 2 weeks ago, stuffed my face to the point I THOUGH ID EXPLODE, didnt take any supplements at all, and when I took my shirt off at the end of the week I had a little little pudge, but I looked massive, I was so worried to shrink, I looked full and thick , rested and recovered, it was great man, good way to lean into my new cycle, lol. Just a thought food and rest is the ultimate supplements. I wish I knew that when I was in highschool, man I dusted a small fortune on pills and powder when I simply refused to do what is proven time and time again, TRAIN EAT REST. I was in the gym twice a day 7 days a week 365 days a year ( NO B.S either ) that was grade 11 though lol, I miss those days, chugging creatine with my boys seeing who could take more lol, god how stupid. Id give anything to go back to that guys I tell ya huge smile on my face.
 
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