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Super Egotistical Conference would definitely apply as well.![]()
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Super Egotistical Conference would definitely apply as well.![]()
This whole situation is pretty interesting. I just saw the Rivals article about emails from Ohio State's president to the Big Ten commish about Texas joining their conference. Seems to have something to do with Texas Tech too.
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"Ohio State president Gordon Gee told Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany in an April 20 e-mail that Gee had spoken with University of Texas president Bill Powers. In the e-mail obtained by The Associated Press, Gee writes that Powers would welcome a call to say they have a “Tech” problem."
It would suck for Texas and TAMU to be in different conferences. I'd assumed that A&M's actions would be based on what UT does, but it seems the Aggies' desperation for money might cause them to be more proactive than reactive.
That would be unfortunate. If the SEC is going to expand, I'd love to see them get Texas, TAMU, Oklahoma, and Nebraska. Let Oklahoma State and Texas Tech go to the Pac-10, while Missouri, Kansas, K-State can join up with the Big Ten. The Oklahoma-Nebraska rivalry needs to be rekindled anyway. Same for Texas-Arkansas from the SWC days.
And even though the aforementioned teams aren't really in the southeast, Commissioner Slive wouldn't even have to change the conference acronym. SEC would then stand for Super Elite Conference. :fing02:
Im pissed. Its looking more and more like the Pac10 invitation will be taken..**** the Texas administration. I know OU and A&M want the SEC.
That would be awesome. I want the Razorback v. Longhorn rivalry to be played yearly again.The SEC needs to get on their **** and get A&M and Texas in.
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Please....please.... said:In the conference expansion race, the University of Texas is the hot chick at the bar whose dad is a multimillionaire. Everyone wants her. Texas A&M is her less attractive younger sister who you would think was really hot if she wasn't the sister of the hot chick, a solid eight who is invisible standing next to a spectacular 10. Meanwhile, Baylor and Texas Tech are the ugly, cross-eyed step-sisters, they'd have no pull if it weren't for their proximity to the attractive sisters. Presently it appears that the Pac-10 is so in love with Texas that they're willing to take all four schools to get into the rich Texas television market. But let's not kid anyone: without Texas no one is coming after Baylor and Texas Tech and asking them to join a new conference.
At all.
So far, most speculation has focused on the four Texas schools as a package deal. And lost amid all the posturing associated with whether Baylor or Colorado will get the final offer to join the Big 12 has been this question: What if Southeastern Conference commissioner Mike Slive pulled a fast one and managed to recruit away Texas A&M from the three other Texas schools leaving for the Pac-16 (or whatever name you like best)?
Think that's far-fetched?
I don't.
Here's why: Mike Slive is smart.
While he refused to address what schools, if any, he'd had expansion conversations with, it's no secret that the SEC has long sought to enter the lucrative Texas market in the past. But Slive would be aware that the last time the SEC tried to expand into Texas, the state legislature raised issues with the move. He would know that adding Texas and Texas A&M by themselves, as every conference would prefer, wasn't likely to happen due to political pressure.
He'd know the price for those two schools would be much steeper.
When I asked Slive whether the Pac-10's move to woo the six Big 12 schools surprised him, he said it did not.
So you have to assume that's he's seen some version of this scenario playing out.
Now let's channel the Oscar winning film A Beautiful Mind and return to our analogy about the girls at the bar. In the movie, you'll recall that the the genius scientist, John Nash, uses game theory to create an optimal pick-up situation for he and his friends. Let's put Slive in the John Nash role now at the bar. If you know you can't get Texas, the perfect 10, alone, and you know you can't get Texas and her sister, Texas A&M, the solid 8, alone, those options are out the window. What's more, you definitely wouldn't want Texas Tech and Baylor, the cross-eyed step-sisters of Texas football, but because you know your offer to Texas will be rejected without those two schools, could you make a creative move and approach Texas A&M, the attractive younger sister of the knockout, and make her yours all by herself?
Maybe.
Let's examine why this could be the perfect game theory move in the event the SEC wants to expand into Texas.
1. Texas A&M might well benefit from joining the SEC over the Pac-16.
Why?
Because nothing really changes for A&M in the Pac-16. It is still lost in the penumbra of Texas' hotness, always playing second fiddle. A&M in the SEC would be able to market itself as the SEC team in Texas, the lone opportunity for hotshot Texas recruits to play football in the best football conference in America.
Right now, what distinguishes A&M from Texas?
Not much, right?
But could Texas A&M plus the conference cachet of the SEC challenge Texas for state superiority?
I think so.
Wouldn't entering a recruit's living room and selling him on an experience that no one else in Texas can have -- that is, stay in the state close to home but play in the most football mad schools in the country on a regular basis -- be incredibly beneficial to the school?
Plus, it would open up the fertile recruiting fields of the South to A&M.
I think entering the SEC offers A&M the only chance it may have for generations to truly challenge Texas for state superiority.
2. The Pac-16 would grit its teeth and proceed because it allows them to take Colorado and Baylor.
Politically, the new conference would be unlikely to fight the move of Texas A&M to the SEC.
Why?
Because it eliminates the need for the conference to make a tough choice between Colorado, the school it wants, and Baylor, the school it's being forced to take.
This way they'd get both schools.
Ultimately the Pac-16 wants A&M, but losing the school wouldn't end the deal.
3. Slive raises the price for the Pac-16's pursuit of Texas.
Instead of waltzing into the state and splitting away the state's two premier football programs, the Pac-16 gets one major addition and the two weaker programs.
Putting these schools into context, Texas is overall the No. 1 highest revenue athletic department in the country while Texas A&M is right around 20.
Both are incredibly strong additions to any conference in America.
Meanwhile, Baylor and Texas Tech are 56th and 58th in total athletic revenues meaning both schools fall beneath Vanderbilt in total athletic revenues.
So Slive could swoop into the lucrative Texas television market while upping the price for the addition of Texas.
It's brilliant.
4. The other three Texas schools would all be moving to better conference situations as well, so they wouldn't mind splitting up.
The idea that the Texas schools are sticking together out of loyalty is crap. The reason Baylor and Texas Tech want to be with Texas and Texas A&M is because the two premier programs in the state offer each the best route to a new destination.
If the SEC or the Big Ten offered Baylor tomorrow, do you think Baylor is staying in a tenuous Big 12 position uncertain of a Pac-16 offer or leaping?
It is leaping.
With this move, three schools to the Pac-16 and one to the SEC, everyone is in a more lucrative financial position than they were in before expansion.
If everybody is winning, all four schools don't have to go the same place.
The schools only have to go to the same place to keep a school from losing.
5. A&M could still play Texas on the Friday before Thanksgiving, only now it would be an out-of-conference game.
Stop with these rivalry ending e-mails before they even start.
The game at the end of the year would still happen, it would just be an out-of-conference tilt. Honestly, the brand new Pac-16 vs. the SEC would probably make it a bigger national game than it already is.
And the game would retain all of the regional hate that it already has. There's already a template for these out-of-conference rivalry games in the SEC since Florida plays Florida State and South Carolina plays Clemson on the same weekend.
What's more, since the yearly Texas A&M vs. Arkansas game would now become a conference event, there's an easy slot to allow the out-of-conference game to fit into.
The SEC would then have the option of adding one ACC team from Florida, likely Florida State, and sticking at 14 or raiding the southern ACC schools and ending the ACC as we know it.
Only one question remains: does the man who has kept more quiet than any conference commissioner throughout this entire process have a plan to squire away the state of Texas's solid eight?
I think Mike Slive just might.
"Only one question remains: does the man who has kept more quiet than any conference commissioner throughout this entire process have a plan to squire away the state of Texas's solid eight?
I think Mike Slive just might."
A&M would go no where but the SEC. The SEC would never pass up on a large Texas team to expand their market. A&M culturally belongs in the SEC as well. Texas should go to the Pac10 with the other limpwristed pussies and play marshmallow football.
Hottest rumor Im hearing since about 2ish today was TAMU, OU, VT, and FSU to the SEC.
Hottest rumor Im hearing since about 2ish today was TAMU, OU, VT, and FSU to the SEC.
How serious is this rumor? I don't want to get my hopes up (that would be awesome).
My guys tell me OU was as good as gone till last night. Deloss Dodds strongarmed them this morning and they are Pac-10 bound. Texas A&M is tired of taking Texas' **** and moving to the Pac gains them nothing. They will still retain their place under Texas and still play cupcakes and have no real shot at ever being better than Texas. They are pissed off enough to sit out and get to the SEC even if no one to go with them. Its about time they stood up to Texas honestly. I understand the two factions, Pac and SEC inside A&M are fighting and right now the SEC faction is in power. I also understand that there has been a 72 hour window before everyone is slated to move with or without A&M to the Pac-10. Texas, and Texas A&M, are both making their beds. Will TAMU resign themselves to second place in the state? Will Texas' quest for an easy path to the NC hand the state over to TAMU? Some longhorns have said this is A&M cutting off its nose to spite its face and it will regret this. Some have said Texas plans to blackball A&M and refuse to schedule them as a threat. To me, this just shows how threaten they are by this prospect. To me, this will both encourage and scare A&M. Hard to read how theyll react.
My guys tell me OU was as good as gone till last night. Deloss Dodds strongarmed them this morning and they are Pac-10 bound. Texas A&M is tired of taking Texas' **** and moving to the Pac gains them nothing. They will still retain their place under Texas and still play cupcakes and have no real shot at ever being better than Texas. They are pissed off enough to sit out and get to the SEC even if no one to go with them. Its about time they stood up to Texas honestly. I understand the two factions, Pac and SEC inside A&M are fighting and right now the SEC faction is in power. I also understand that there has been a 72 hour window before everyone is slated to move with or without A&M to the Pac-10. Texas, and Texas A&M, are both making their beds. Will TAMU resign themselves to second place in the state? Will Texas' quest for an easy path to the NC hand the state over to TAMU? Some longhorns have said this is A&M cutting off its nose to spite its face and it will regret this. Some have said Texas plans to blackball A&M and refuse to schedule them as a threat. To me, this just shows how threaten they are by this prospect. To me, this will both encourage and scare A&M. Hard to read how theyll react.
Okay, I need to sit down... because I actually agree with you on all points. I'm so glad you're not trying to justify Texas' decision to go to the Pac-16 and to utilize the "we won't schedule you if you don't comply" tactic. It's phucking lame. From what I've read on the chatter boards, Gene Stallings is the only real driving force behind A&M telling Texas to go phuck themselves. I have a strong feeling they'll eventually buckle and that this is just posturing to create the impression that Texas ain't their daddy. Unfortunately, I think A&M will ultimately quiet down and eat their meat. I mean, how can they have any pudding if they don't eat their meat?
OU honestly just got bitched around by UT. Theres nothign more to it. I understand they have strong alumni in Dallas trying to keep UT and OU together...partly becuase of OU's dependence on Texas for crootin. OUs fanbase and everyone wants the SEC but Texas wont let them at the core of it.
And i'm confused to why the Big 12 is breaking up. can someone enlighten me. i have been moving and haven't paid any attention to the media for the past week and a half
Chances TAMU gets to the SEC. Probably close to 62% Pac-10/SEC 38%
Since there's no way OU's gonna break from daddy, I'm hoping either:
a. The SEC remains as-is.
b. TAMU grows a pair, and Slive lands a quality ACC team (G-Tech, V-Tech, FSU, Miami).
Money, dude.
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I have bad news for you Bucknuts.
Multiple sources are saying the SEC faction has the regent votes to get TAMU into the SEC next week. The biggest reason is TAMU donors/alumni/boosters/etc have been adamant and calling into the 12 man foundation and Bill Byrne to let them know just how they feel. OU took Texas' **** because they need Texas but TAMU doesn't. This will change the dynamic in Texas forever. The legislature cannot stop this once it happens I think. With TAMU going to the SEC, there needs to be another team added. Now VT seems to be number one. Ive even heard WVU mentioned if VT doesnt want in. Reason the other teams arent being looked at is the sentiment that if they are going to divide up the pie, they want the team coming in to help give a bigger slice. All those teams are in places where the SEC presense is heavy and therefore are not being looked at but who knows. Someone has to match TAMU's entrance. If TAMU follows through, I will be there in 2011.
So is this realignment happening for the 2011 season? That seems like it would be a scheduling nightmare if they did it this year.
Youre a sooner. How you dont already have a strong sense of self loathing is beyond me. Texas apparently is listening to the Big 12 commish's offer to keep all the guys together but...cmon. I think its too little too late.
Yeah i'm already ashamed, and have been since they lost to the gators in '08. But, this is just going to make everything worse. The SEC will really look at us as limpwristed wannabes. Sure we'll produce some great NFL players, but i don't see us playing as a team and winning a national title anywhere in the near future. We need to let Stoops go....
I would have been at WVU. Or maybe Boise St. Or maybe USC. Or LSU. Everyone already looks at you that way because of your bowl games.
Anyways, the reason you wont is because youve basically openly accepted your place as UT's little brother in arms. Your AD said it himself, "We will go wherever Texas goes." Not, "We will do what we think is best for us."
Most of us Sooners were raised to hate UT to the death, so why would we be wanting to follow them around like their buddy when we should say "screw you" to Texas and do whatever the phuk we want to!
And, in defense of the OU player on the '08 squad, we didn't suck against Florida we actually played fairly well and made a game of it. It's just that our receivers couldn't catch/hold on to the ball because Sam was really throwing it pretty hard. But yeah i know the rest of the nation views us that way. It would have toughened us up if we went to the SEC, but now we will blow ass for the next decade with high scoring big play shenanigans no real fundamentals.
Pretty ironic how it might be A&M who ends up determining how this whole thing shakes out. If they are dead set on joining the SEC, Texas will have no choice but to bail on Beebe's promise of 14-17 million per year and take their chances with the Pac-16. Either way, they'll end up getting their Longhorn Network... but their older fanbase may never forgive them.