17b-Methoxy-Trienbolone Discussion

qwerty33 said:
how does Trenadrol compare to 1-T Tren? (19-Norandrosta-4,9-diene-3,17-dione [aka, Estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione])

also what would a good cycle consist of for

KiloSports Presents:
Trenadrol

dosage and ptc?

if a medical s.e.r.m could be avoided that would be best
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Its exactly the same bro, only the transdermal should yield better results.

If its the original product dose 3-9mg per day for 4 weeks, followed by your normal pct routine, you will be shutdown quite hard in most cases.
If its the current product, 30mg, dose 60mg first week then 90mg for the next 3-4 weeks, followed by your normal pct routine...eg days 1-8 clomid 150mg, days 9-15 clomid 100mg/ days 15-21 clomid 50mg, you can add your own test booster, and whatever else you liked from the products mentioned earlier to combat prolactin.

Best non serm would have to be resevatrol.
 
Problem said:
Thanks dude, but i read that before.... but here is the thing....


I just like to see the research before using something.
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1-Carboxy is 50% L-Dopa, and it has been stated that they extract for peripheral decarboxylase inhibitors.
qwerty33 said:
is 1-T Tren 17b-Methoxy-Trienbolone

"Contains TREN™ -- The Closest legal thing to Trenbolone (Finaplix)"

is 1-T Tren the same as Trenadrol?


or is it different
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Until we find out exactly what's in trenadrol, I won't make any comparison to 1-T Tren, which clearly states Invalid Link Removed
 
the trenadrol that im talking about can be found on bodybuilding.com and is
17b-Methoxy-Trienbolone™ 30mg is it the same as 1-T Tren? they have different chemical makeups.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
[1] Mucuna pruriens in Parkinson's disease: a double blind clinical and pharmacological study. Katzenschlager R, et al....

[5] Bioavailability of L-DOPA from HP-200 - a Formulation of Seed Powder of Mucuna pruriens (Bak): a Pharmacokinetic and Pharmacodynamic Study. S.Mahajani et al.,

[6] Mucuna pruriens proves more effective than L-DOPA in Parkinson's disease animal model. Ghazala Hussian, Bala V. Manyam

[7] Beans (Mucuna Pruriens) For Parkinsons Disease:An Herbal Alternative. Bala V. Manyam, M.D.,

[8] Effect of antiparkinson drug HP-200 (Mucuna pruriens) on the central monoaminergic neurotransmitters. Bala V. Manyam et al.,

[9] Neuroprotective effects of the antiparkinson drug Mucuna pruriens. Manywam et al.,
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Thanks for all of this, but you just gave me research done on L-DOPA which i already use, and i actually read some of this.

where does 1-carb come into play in these studies, i never seen it mentioned except through USP.
 
Problem said:
Thanks for all of this, but you just gave me research done on L-DOPA which i already use, and i actually read some of this.

where does 1-carb come into play in these studies, i never seen it mentioned except through USP.
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None of that research is on L-DOPA, Problem. It is on Mucuna Pruriens; 1-C is an extract from Mucuna Pruriens, and one half of PowerFULL's formula.

:)
 
qwerty33 said:
the trenadrol that im talking about can be found on bodybuilding.com and is
17b-Methoxy-Trienbolone™ 30mg is it the same as 1-T Tren? they have different chemical makeups.
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WOW! Did you even read this thread? If you did you wouldn't have asked that. Go ask them over @ bb.com if you can't read!
 
stl123 said:
WOW! Did you even read this thread? If you did you wouldn't have asked that. Go ask them over @ bb.com if you can't read!
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That's a bit harsh. I think qwerty was trying to clarify because Russian said that 1-t Tren and Trenadrol are exactly the same. From what people have been stating through experience they are not. The "tren" in PP's is the 19-nor found in Tren extreme, extreme tren, etc.

While the Trenadrol may have a different primary compound in it, also it doesn't have the 1-Androsterone and DHEA that Primordial has added to 1-T Tren.
 
yes exactly, thanks much man. how do the two compare then? i assume 19-t is not as strong but is it still a great compound to cycle?
 
raw1973 said:
That's a bit harsh. I think qwerty was trying to clarify because Russian said that 1-t Tren and Trenadrol are exactly the same. From what people have been stating through experience they are not. The "tren" in PP's is the 19-nor found in Tren extreme, extreme tren, etc.

While the Trenadrol may have a different primary compound in it, also it doesn't have the 1-Androsterone and DHEA that Primordial has added to 1-T Tren.
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alright. Maybe a little harsh! Still, if you read what he asked and you read the whole thread, there should be no confusion!!

I also think that Russian is very right on this. People who say that Trenadrol is better from experience prove to me that the mind is a powerful thing!!!
 
is there any benefit of taking 19-nor in a cream over a pill? 1T Tren is expensive. they have a buy one get one which makes it better tho :)
 
I havent used the TD 19-Nor, but if it had been available when I did my 19, 1T, cycle I definately would have used it. Yes, IMO it is preferable over oral, probably anything TD is preferable, problem is there are not that many selections and there are still some sides, although less and not as potentially noxious.
 
russianstar said:
Actualy guys, hope you dont mind me jumping in, the chemical kilo sports use now, is not the same as the original, the original was supposed to be 17b-methoxy-trienbolone and it WAS dosed at 3mg, however that compound wich wasnt actualy 17b-methoxy-trienbolone but was in fact an unknown compund for all intents and purposes, at least even the manufacturers were not sure what it was, and it is indeed different from the tren products currently available, it was dry, and great for strength gains, similar to Methyl 1-alpha in that department, not much use for gaining mass, but quite good for a recomp. The current estra compound wich is now used by kilo sports trenadrol, is the same as the other tren products available, they have kept the old label as was mentioned earlier on in this thread, but if you notice it is now 30mg not 3, 30mg would be a dangerous and unbearable dose, however considering after recent tests showed it is in fact the estra compound other trens products use such as X-mass, T-roid, and xtreme tren, 30mg is quite mild, and a normal dose.
Methoxy-tren did use the same compound as trenadrol originaly, of course now neither of the original are available as they are banned, and withdrawn from sales, the compound they used 17b-methoxy-trienbolone seemed to only be in the trenadrol, as most people didnt notice a great deal from the ARLI product, However they were supposed to be the same.

As for progestin related side effects, bromocriptine is one of the best to avoid them, as is l-dopa and 1-carboxy, also cabergoline is very effective, and has been mentioned before Clomid is the best choice for any steroid that causes prolactin side effects, Nolva will not touch progestin induced gyno, but clomid can, that is enough reason to me to favour clomid during and after a progestin based steroid compound cycle, i do not want boobies for life, i like them but i dont want any of my own.
Regards Russian.
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guy knows his stuff... I say we listen.
 
All right! This really is a great board despite what others have been saying lately. There is a great spirit of camaderie here! This is "Anabolic Minds".
 
raw1973 said:
That's a bit harsh. I think qwerty was trying to clarify because Russian said that 1-t Tren and Trenadrol are exactly the same. From what people have been stating through experience they are not. The "tren" in PP's is the 19-nor found in Tren extreme, extreme tren, etc.

While the Trenadrol may have a different primary compound in it, also it doesn't have the 1-Androsterone and DHEA that Primordial has added to 1-T Tren.
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I didnt say that, i said the current trenadrol is supposedly the estra, or 19 nor thats the same as in 1-tren, and the other currently available tren compounds, the original trenadrol had the same content supposedly as methoxy-tren, if you re-read the post i wrote earlier you will see its quite clear, Originaly trenadrol was 3mg.....now its 30mg but they advertise it as the same compound 17b-methoxy trienbolone that was in the original, rest assured its not the same compound as was in the original.
 
Thanks guys, its very kind of you to say those appreciative remarks, it would be lovely to know what was in the original trenadrol though, as methoxy trienbolone is just about impossible.
 
russianstar said:
Thanks guys, its very kind of you to say those appreciative remarks, it would be lovely to know what was in the original trenadrol though, as methoxy trienbolone is just about impossible.
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I am still intrigued about that whole m-tst = mega trn bit.

I read the article about it but would like to see the results, or any of those company reps chime in..
 
robster11 said:
I am still intrigued about that whole m-tst = mega trn bit.

I read the article about it but would like to see the results, or any of those company reps chime in..
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Me too, still waiting on the coa from the trenadrol tests/:type:
 
Want to bump this to the front as I would like to see what the results reveal about trenadrol. Great Posts Russian
 
Thoughts on running Bromocriptine while on Trenadrol cycle ?...

Also anyone know anything on Kilosports CLOMED (it's a PCT... not much about it on the net)... I called Kilosports and some guy said it would be a good PCT for Trenadrol
 
After reading this whole thread about old trenadrol and new trenadrol.....
The question i have is this.

Is the Current Trenadrol still a Bad Ass oral to take as far as strength, hardness and vascularity?

Or is it now on the level of the other Estra-4 Trens out there?
 
Trenadrol bunk??

I'm curious to see if anyone else has had a bad run of Trenadrol lately. I'm starting week 3 and NO strength gains at all. No blood pressure spikes and no other apparent or noticeable sides. The batch # isn't readable but the expiration date is 3/10/11. Any input guys??

I don't care to know exactly what it is but I want to know if it works. This hasn't been a very exciting run. Cheers, angel77
 
anybody know anything about the new Finajet by German American labs.I don't no if its just me but the ingredients seem to be a dien version of methyl tren. whats up with that?
 
Originally Posted by Beejis60
Yes.

If trenadrol is the 17-b-methyl ether of trenbolone, its molecular weight is 284.3927 and exact mass is 284.1776. My mass spec on a sweep to 500 shows the parent ion at 271.2 and zero abundance for 284-285. The loss of 13 CAN be accounted for loss of the methyl group from the methyl ether which makes sense to me. Maybe Pat wants to chime in and say if he's ever seen this happen before. I tried to find the given mass spec of this steroid but it cannot be pulled up readily moreover the ONE article about this steroid ever publish is written in french anyway.
I looked up the mass spec of just tren itself and it does show up at 271. Just sayin.....
 
So, what would the proper PCT be for Trenadrol? An over-the-counter AI with Clomid, or Clomid on its own?

Also, what would the be the proper way to dose: empty stomach, with EFA's or fatty oils, or with meals?
 
Big3upgrade said:
Originally Posted by Beejis60
Yes.

If trenadrol is the 17-b-methyl ether of trenbolone, its molecular weight is 284.3927 and exact mass is 284.1776. My mass spec on a sweep to 500 shows the parent ion at 271.2 and zero abundance for 284-285. The loss of 13 CAN be accounted for loss of the methyl group from the methyl ether which makes sense to me. Maybe Pat wants to chime in and say if he's ever seen this happen before. I tried to find the given mass spec of this steroid but it cannot be pulled up readily moreover the ONE article about this steroid ever publish is written in french anyway.
I looked up the mass spec of just tren itself and it does show up at 271. Just sayin.....
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Link to thread?
 
russianstar said:
I didnt say that, i said the current trenadrol is supposedly the estra, or 19 nor thats the same as in 1-tren, and the other currently available tren compounds, the original trenadrol had the same content supposedly as methoxy-tren, if you re-read the post i wrote earlier you will see its quite clear, Originaly trenadrol was 3mg.....now its 30mg but they advertise it as the same compound 17b-methoxy trienbolone that was in the original, rest assured its not the same compound as was in the original.
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Its a pity I missed this thread till now. Author L Rea of ALRI stated that Trenadrol never contained the compound in methoxy-TRN. He does admit to the name being just trademarked (I have some of the ALRI bottles, the symbol is next to trienbolone) as he used the logic that if you are the originator of a chemical that has no "common name" then you can trademark its common name and use it.... He sold the raws to biotest + generic labz, but other than that nobody knows what is in it to reproduce it :D
 
EasyEJL said:
Its a pity I missed this thread till now. Author L Rea of ALRI stated that Trenadrol never contained the compound in methoxy-TRN. He does admit to the name being just trademarked (I have some of the ALRI bottles, the symbol is next to trienbolone) as he used the logic that if you are the originator of a chemical that has no "common name" then you can trademark its common name and use it.... He sold the raws to biotest + generic labz, but other than that nobody knows what is in it to reproduce it :D
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He sold the raws to Biotest? What the hell did they use them for?
 
They sold methoxy-trn too. blue bottles, to stack with their methoxy-tst

ah bioscience technologies I mean

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the methoxy trn was a similar bottle
 
Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold
"i got the trenadrol. i only needed a couple of caps but they sent me a whole case. which was pretty cool

the stuff had a retention time around what you would expect for estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione. But the mass spectrum was sufficiently different from that of estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione. Close but different enough. the M+ was 270 though like estra-4,9-3,17-dione

makes me think this may be some sort of double bond isomer. maybe estra-1,4-diene-3,17-dione? estra-4,6-diene-3,17-dione?

i cannot see how this is a methyl ether of trenbolone however since if it were a methyl ether there should be a fragment of 31 and there is not. plus i cant see how methyl ether of trenbolone would give you M+ of 270




basically it appears trenadrol contains something very close to estra-4,9-3,17-dione (which is the stuff in all the typical "tren" products).

something close but different. Its very likely not the chemical they appear to have listed in the ingredient list either "
 
interesting stuff, i think ill give this a try very shortly and I will make a good comparison as my last cycle was ex.Tren, I will do a log when I start this for sure and will use nothing but the trenadrol as I did with the x tren. Well nothing except hawthorne and a little milk thistle.
 
Big3upgrade said:
Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold
"i got the trenadrol. i only needed a couple of caps but they sent me a whole case. which was pretty cool

the stuff had a retention time around what you would expect for estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione. But the mass spectrum was sufficiently different from that of estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione. Close but different enough. the M+ was 270 though like estra-4,9-3,17-dione

makes me think this may be some sort of double bond isomer. maybe estra-1,4-diene-3,17-dione? estra-4,6-diene-3,17-dione?

i cannot see how this is a methyl ether of trenbolone however since if it were a methyl ether there should be a fragment of 31 and there is not. plus i cant see how methyl ether of trenbolone would give you M+ of 270




basically it appears trenadrol contains something very close to estra-4,9-3,17-dione (which is the stuff in all the typical "tren" products).

something close but different. Its very likely not the chemical they appear to have listed in the ingredient list either "
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Very interesting. Where/when was this posted?
 
I have been hearing lately of a bunk batch on some other boards, which of course has added to the controversy of this product. Again though this could be noobs who dont realize these products work only if you supply them with enough nutrients to do so. Also as intelligent as PA is, I do not trust him that much because I have heard and seen him pull some shady moves in the past. Im sure hes pissy because he cannot cash in on the DS PH game anymore so it seems that he tends to bash all of them.

I only say this because he released an artice years ago about finigenix magnum saying it was garbage and weak and didnt compare to his original 1ad. Well I can promise you only 1 thing, these dienelone precursors absolutely obliterate the old 1Ad (which I actually loved ) minus the acne, but to get to the point, PA is brilliant but hes a little to weasel like for my liking.

Sorry for straying off topic a little, and to be honest kilo sports probably loves the fact that none of us know what it is, adds to the mystique of it I guess.
 
just had to throw this out there, I live in Canada (it snowed yesterday fck me) and our supp. stores are Popeyes or GNC ( Ya I know )

now our money is worth a tiny bit less than the americans, get this guys

79.99 Canadian........for No Explode
79.99 " " ......... for cellmass

89.fckn99 for purple wrath
89.99 for green mag

and for soem reason they are wondering why sales are zero and people go to the fckn internet, Im all for helping the little guy like popeyes but come on 100$ american for crappy NO Explode!

I know this isnt related to this thread but to all my American brothers pllllzzz be thankful you dont get ass raped on supps as we do.

Which also sucks because I like to support local stores , especially in this economy but id rather be shot in the face than pay that much for supplements.
 
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