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eballarj

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So...I am reading about 1-t, and i got all stoked about taking it...then i saw the price...plus the price of PCT. I would basically be looking at $250 for a full cycle of 1-t (2 bottles) plus PCT. :frustrate :frustrate :frustrate

Are the benefits really that much greater than say running the Epistane/Cycle Support/PCS stack? The price is more than double.
 
I dont know why so many say 1T is so expensive.If your doing a havoc cycle with a PROPER pct or PROPER OTC pct you would spend more than that.
My last havoc cycle cost 300.00,Here was my statment from NP:

1 x HAVOC (90 caps)
By: RPN
$39.95 $39.95
1 x Cycle Support (60 Servings)
By: Anabolic Innovations
Flavor: Chocolate
$41.99 $41.99
1 x Nitrix CEM3 (360 tabs)
By: BSN
$60.95 $60.95
1 x NO Xplode 2.7 lb (60 servings)
By: BSN
Flavor: Fruit Punch
$39.99 $39.99
1 x Dermacrine (7.5 fl oz)
By: Primordial Performance
$49.95 $49.95
1 x Post Cycle Support (120 caps)
By: Anabolic Innovations
$41.99 $41.99
1 x ZMA (90 Capsules)
By: NOW Foods
$8.99 $8.99
1 x Lean Xtreme (90 caps)
By: DS
$27.00 $27.00
1 x 6-OXO (60 caps)
By: ErgoPharm
$29.99 $29.99
Sub Total: $340.80
Federal Express - Home Delivery: $0.00
Coupon Discounts: -$12.00
Total: $328.80

Ya i know i didnt need the nitrix or NO explode,I was on a BSN kick back then.
 
eballarj said:
So...I am reading about 1-t, and i got all stoked about taking it...then i saw the price...plus the price of PCT. I would basically be looking at $250 for a full cycle of 1-t (2 bottles) plus PCT. :frustrate :frustrate :frustrate

Are the benefits really that much greater than say running the Epistane/Cycle Support/PCS stack? The price is more than double.
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You have a lot to learn.
 
eballarj said:
So...I am reading about 1-t, and i got all stoked about taking it...then i saw the price...plus the price of PCT. I would basically be looking at $250 for a full cycle of 1-t (2 bottles) plus PCT. :frustrate :frustrate :frustrate

Are the benefits really that much greater than say running the Epistane/Cycle Support/PCS stack? The price is more than double.
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if you used methylated oral DS of PH, then the difference is taht it will be liver taxing
 
sw bill said:
I dont know why so many say 1T is so expensive.If your doing a havoc cycle with a PROPER pct or PROPER OTC pct you would spend more than that.
My last havoc cycle cost 300.00,Here was my statment from NP:

1 x HAVOC (90 caps)
By: RPN
$39.95 $39.95
1 x Cycle Support (60 Servings)
By: Anabolic Innovations
Flavor: Chocolate
$41.99 $41.99
1 x Nitrix CEM3 (360 tabs)
By: BSN
$60.95 $60.95
1 x NO Xplode 2.7 lb (60 servings)
By: BSN
Flavor: Fruit Punch
$39.99 $39.99
1 x Dermacrine (7.5 fl oz)
By: Primordial Performance
$49.95 $49.95
1 x Post Cycle Support (120 caps)
By: Anabolic Innovations
$41.99 $41.99
1 x ZMA (90 Capsules)
By: NOW Foods
$8.99 $8.99
1 x Lean Xtreme (90 caps)
By: DS
$27.00 $27.00
1 x 6-OXO (60 caps)
By: ErgoPharm
$29.99 $29.99
Sub Total: $340.80
Federal Express - Home Delivery: $0.00
Coupon Discounts: -$12.00
Total: $328.80

Ya i know i didnt need the nitrix or NO explode,I was on a BSN kick back then.
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That was your perogative to buy the expensive supps when all you really need for a Havoc cycle is some good basic stuff. Not saying that what you did was wrong, if anything it was the absolute right way to do it, but for joe shmoe it is somewhat overkill.
 
sw bill said:
I dont know why so many say 1T is so expensive.If your doing a havoc cycle with a PROPER pct or PROPER OTC pct you would spend more than that.
My last havoc cycle cost 300.00,Here was my statment from NP:

1 x HAVOC (90 caps)
By: RPN
$39.95 $39.95
1 x Cycle Support (60 Servings)
By: Anabolic Innovations
Flavor: Chocolate
$41.99 $41.99
1 x Nitrix CEM3 (360 tabs)
By: BSN
$60.95 $60.95
1 x NO Xplode 2.7 lb (60 servings)
By: BSN
Flavor: Fruit Punch
$39.99 $39.99
1 x Dermacrine (7.5 fl oz)
By: Primordial Performance
$49.95 $49.95
1 x Post Cycle Support (120 caps)
By: Anabolic Innovations
$41.99 $41.99
1 x ZMA (90 Capsules)
By: NOW Foods
$8.99 $8.99
1 x Lean Xtreme (90 caps)
By: DS
$27.00 $27.00
1 x 6-OXO (60 caps)
By: ErgoPharm
$29.99 $29.99
Sub Total: $340.80
Federal Express - Home Delivery: $0.00
Coupon Discounts: -$12.00
Total: $328.80

Ya i know i didnt need the nitrix or NO explode,I was on a BSN kick back then.
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Can't always believe the hype brah!

It's great that you were better safe than sorry, but obviously, you could have cut 80 bucks off that and still been solid after pct.
 
You pay for innovation. If there were similar products that were on the market, then I'm sure the price would drop. However, in order to make 1-T, package it, and market it, the price is right on line, IMO.
And the Test Recovery Stack looks very sound, and should be a great alternative for some chem grade PCT's. But, I'll always go with what works for me, and that's a SERM - albeit low dose, or regular, it will always be my foundation.
 
sw bill said:
I dont know why so many say 1T is so expensive.If your doing a havoc cycle with a PROPER pct or PROPER OTC pct you would spend more than that.
My last havoc cycle cost 300.00,Here was my statment from NP:

1 x HAVOC (90 caps)
By: RPN
$39.95 $39.95
1 x Cycle Support (60 Servings)
By: Anabolic Innovations
Flavor: Chocolate
$41.99 $41.99
1 x Nitrix CEM3 (360 tabs)
By: BSN
$60.95 $60.95
1 x NO Xplode 2.7 lb (60 servings)
By: BSN
Flavor: Fruit Punch
$39.99 $39.99
1 x Dermacrine (7.5 fl oz)
By: Primordial Performance
$49.95 $49.95
1 x Post Cycle Support (120 caps)
By: Anabolic Innovations
$41.99 $41.99
1 x ZMA (90 Capsules)
By: NOW Foods
$8.99 $8.99
1 x Lean Xtreme (90 caps)
By: DS
$27.00 $27.00
1 x 6-OXO (60 caps)
By: ErgoPharm
$29.99 $29.99
Sub Total: $340.80
Federal Express - Home Delivery: $0.00
Coupon Discounts: -$12.00
Total: $328.80

Ya i know i didnt need the nitrix or NO explode,I was on a BSN kick back then.
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What a waste of money!

Havoc - $40
SERM - $20
Cycle - $60
 
It is not exactly a "rich man's" ph.
You may cut corners on some support supplements, since 1-T is applied topically.
Pct options could vary, since shutdown may be minimal. Which equates in price variations in PCT, otc or serm.
Absorption is enhanced, since it is not a methylated product, which in then requires a breakdown process in the liver.
 
thegodfather said:
Throw in some Hawthorn ($10), Milk Thistle ($10-15), and some cheap Reveratrol ($10) and you're good to go for $100 bucks.
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Don't bother with the hawthorn. By the time hawthorn is effective the cycle is over.

With a good staple Anti-O stack throughout the year there is really no need to buy anything else for a particular cycle, but maybe up the dose.

I still say androgen+SERM=cycle...

EVERYONE uses too much stuff!!!
 
Heat Miser said:
Don't bother with the hawthorn. By the time hawthorn is effective the cycle is over.

Yes, if it is started at the same time as the anabolic, so it should be started at least two weeks prior to your planned date. Celery Seed Extract is also good and takes less time to kick in.

EVERYONE uses too much stuff!!!

Totally agree
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Sometimes more isnt always better, just a waste.
 
Heat Miser said:
What a waste of money!

Havoc - $40
SERM - $20
Cycle - $60
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Nice responce from a "Board Administrator" and a "NutraPlanet Representative"

I bought all this (except the BSN) at the advice from the people here at AM (the board you are admin to) and the advice of RPN reps and it all came from Nutriplanet (the company you are a rep for).
This is why i post so little on here.Take peoples advice and get sh*t on.Dont take there advice and get sh*t on.
Ok i am done whinning.
 
I usually do cycle support at 1 scoop a day with the oral. Then SERM for pct. That's it.
 
Rugger said:
You have a lot to learn.
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I'm starting to get annoyed with snobby posters here. Always assuming the worst in people. I feel like everytime i post, i have to explain myself thoroughly in a 6 pay freaking essay or something. Can someone just ask a question without being harassed?

The greatest benefit I see to 1-t is that is apparently potent, yet non methylated, which is great, but for $140 for a cycle of it, not including any support supps or PCT (the PP's PCT stack looks good, but is expensive as well). I guess I was just disappointed by the price, cuz I was looking forward to using. But now i'm giving it second thoughts. maybe i'll stick with epistane...
 
Heat Miser said:
That's not 1-testosterone either.

EDIT: I'm sorry. I think it takes like two or three conversions to achieve 1-T. :think:
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2 conversions utilizing steroidogenic enzymes (3b-HSD and 17b-HSD) in the skin, yes.

It's a transdermal product as well. ;)

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ok. bottom line to my question was if the benefits justify the price? Especially when compared to other orals like mdrol or epi/havoc?
 
eballarj said:
I'm starting to get annoyed with snobby posters here. Always assuming the worst in people. I feel like everytime i post, i have to explain myself thoroughly in a 6 pay freaking essay or something. Can someone just ask a question without being harassed?

The greatest benefit I see to 1-t is that is apparently potent, yet non methylated, which is great, but for $140 for a cycle of it, not including any support supps or PCT (the PP's PCT stack looks good, but is expensive as well). I guess I was just disappointed by the price, cuz I was looking forward to using. But now i'm giving it second thoughts. maybe i'll stick with epistane...
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I think ideally you would use Epi and 1-T. Save up for a couple more weeks and do this instead. Should yeild some pretty nice gains.
 
eballarj said:
I'm starting to get annoyed with snobby posters here. Always assuming the worst in people. I feel like everytime i post, i have to explain myself thoroughly in a 6 pay freaking essay or something. Can someone just ask a question without being harassed?

The greatest benefit I see to 1-t is that is apparently potent, yet non methylated, which is great, but for $140 for a cycle of it, not including any support supps or PCT (the PP's PCT stack looks good, but is expensive as well). I guess I was just disappointed by the price, cuz I was looking forward to using. But now i'm giving it second thoughts. maybe i'll stick with epistane...
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not just nonmethyl it's not oral at all so that's advantage. I don't think it needs any support supplements at all, unless you are predisposed to something.
And it's 65$ at nutra right?
130+20$ serm = 150.

If you like Epi/Havoc more then go for it... I don't respond so well to those though. 1-T is nice because you could run it heavy on the dose and duration and that's what makes a good cycle with keepable results.
 
sw bill said:
Nice responce from a "Board Administrator" and a "NutraPlanet Representative"

I bought all this (except the BSN) at the advice from the people here at AM (the board you are admin to) and the advice of RPN reps and it all came from Nutriplanet (the company you are a rep for).
This is why i post so little on here.Take peoples advice and get sh*t on.Dont take there advice and get sh*t on.
Ok i am done whinning.
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I stand by what i recommend in regard to havoc (including cycle), or any RPN product. Opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one. Not everyone is going to agree upon what's "The perfect cycle" for any given product.

Don't be so easily discouraged by some of the comments you encounter here. Outside the BSN stuff in that order, it looks fine to me. :)
 
UnrealMachine said:
not just nonmethyl it's not oral at all so that's advantage. I don't think it needs any support supplements at all, unless you are predisposed to something.
And it's 65$ at nutra right?
130+20$ serm = 150.

If you like Epi/Havoc more then go for it... I don't respond so well to those though. 1-T is nice because you could run it heavy on the dose and duration and that's what makes a good cycle with keepable results.
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run it heavy, really? what dosage are you considering, and for how long?

The thing is the $69 bottle at nutra is only good for approxamately three weeks. So if you want a full 6-cycle, you'll be spending $140, not including PCT. (it still needs PCT). and if you want higher dosage or longer cycle, it'll be $210 for three bottles :(.

...I think i'm probably still gonna do it, lol. Just not happy about the price. At least I'm planning in advance, hehe.
 
thegodfather said:
I think ideally you would use Epi and 1-T. Save up for a couple more weeks and do this instead. Should yeild some pretty nice gains.
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You think so? How would the stack look, in your opinion? Epi, 4 weeks and 1-T for 6? or both for 6? both for 4?...dosages?

Maybe i'll just suck it up and do a nice, pretty stack this time, haha. Not planning to run a cycle to late Jan. or Feb. anyhow.
 
eballarj said:
So...I am reading about 1-t, and i got all stoked about taking it...then i saw the price...plus the price of PCT. I would basically be looking at $250 for a full cycle of 1-t (2 bottles) plus PCT. :frustrate :frustrate :frustrate

Are the benefits really that much greater than say running the Epistane/Cycle Support/PCS stack? The price is more than double.
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I can assure you the innovation of the products are well worth the price with Pp. The transdermal formula and delivery system is what intrigued me from the get-go. I'm in the middle of a Phera-plex/1-T cycle as we speak. The results have been VERY commendable. I've been nothing but impressed.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/108230-trauma1-poopypants-team.html

They have a 10% off code in their section somewhere as well. That helps a bit. :)
 
Trauma1 said:
I can assure you the innovation of the products are well worth the price with Pp. The transdermal formula and delivery system is what intrigued me from the get-go. I'm in the middle of a Phera-plex/1-T cycle as we speak. The results have been VERY commendable. I've been nothing but impressed.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/108230-trauma1-poopypants-team.html

They have a 10% off code in their section somewhere as well. That helps a bit. :)
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yah i skimmed the first page or two of your guys' loggs...your strategies just seemed too advanced. I was curious to see poop's havoc/epi stack with the t-1 but he did it all crazy, pulsing, etc. haha. You think it's much better off stacked than solo?
 
sw bill said:
Nice responce from a "Board Administrator" and a "NutraPlanet Representative"

I bought all this (except the BSN) at the advice from the people here at AM (the board you are admin to) and the advice of RPN reps and it all came from Nutriplanet (the company you are a rep for).
This is why i post so little on here.Take peoples advice and get sh*t on.Dont take there advice and get sh*t on.
Ok i am done whinning.
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Dude, chill out.

Take peoples advice or don't take peoples advice. It's your choice and you cash.

I am the board administrator. I keep the nonsense and rule breakers off the board. I am not here to assure you are lead or mislead regarding what you put in your body. You are. The advice you take or don't take from members here is your business not mine.

I am a NutraPlanet board representative. I am here to and will assist you and others with NutraPlanet retail customer service issues. This does not make me a supplement pusher or pimp. I am not here to persuaded you to consume or purchase anything.
 
Trauma1 said:
2 conversions utilizing steroidogenic enzymes (3b-HSD and 17b-HSD) in the skin, yes.

It's a transdermal product as well. ;)
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I realize what it is. 1-T (the steroid not needing to be converted) is also used in a transdermal and has no need to undergo anything other than absorption resulting in a very much more potent product. It would be my preference had I desired to use 1-T.

This does not suggest anything about PP's 1-T other than what I stated. :)
 
Heat Miser said:
Dude, chill out.

Take peoples advice or don't take peoples advice. It's your choice and you cash.

I am the board administrator. I keep the nonsense and rule breakers off the board. I am not here to assure you are lead or mislead regarding what you put in your body. You are. The advice you take or don't take from members here is your business not mine.

I am a NutraPlanet board representative. I am here to and will assist you and others with NutraPlanet retail customer service issues. This does not make me a supplement pusher or pimp. I am not here to persuaded you to consume or purchase anything.
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I'm chilled,Just a little crabby today:thumbsup:
 
Heat Miser said:
What a waste of money!
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Here let me rephrase that more kindly:

That seems like an awful lot of money to spend on a 4 week cycle. At $350 that equates to more than $85 a week. I don't know about you but that is way too much money to be spending on supplements for any purpose.

That product list is quite extensive with many good products but you really could do without a lot of that stuff and still experience a very successful cycle and post cycle. Many feel the need to use everything and anything they can get there hands on and this is perfectly fine and acceptable for many. In my experience you will not see any diminished results or benefits without the use of many of those products. Ultimately the choice is yours.

My opinion is always the same - a solid staple anti-oxidant and lipid protocol (which is used all year long) and a SERM. But I don't make it a habit of advising people of what to do with their money or their health.

Good luck :).
 
how would one of you stack a 1-t/havoc cycle? Kinda funny that this would end up being only maybe 5 products, and still add up to the amount sw bill spent ($350ish) haha. not dissing. just found it "ironic" (althought, that is not the correct usage of the word =P)
 
It's not the stack it's all the ancillaries.

It is obvious, that with all the sponsor products in that list, I cannot state which I would not spend the money on without offending some. But I use none.
 
Heat Miser said:
It's not the stack it's all the ancillaries.

It is obvious, that with all the sponsor products in that list, I cannot state which I would not spend the money on without offending some. But I use none.
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yah, i understand. i was just asking everyone participating here about the stack and what they think. it was a coincidence that this (seemingly powerful) stack cost the same as mr. bill's grocery list :).
 
I'm getting ready to run it with m14add. I got my 1-T through Primodial with 20% off. 20$ SERMS Can someone PM me with some more info on that? I do have a Coupon code for 20% off at PP Pm me if interested
 
Corona said:
I'm getting ready to run it with m14add. I got my 1-T through Primodial with 20% off. 20$ SERMS Can someone PM me with some more info on that? I do have a Coupon code for 20% off at PP Pm me if interested
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so...what's your stack gonna look like corona?
 
Heat Miser said:
What a waste of money!

Havoc - $40
SERM - $20
Cycle - $60
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You forgot Hookers and Blow, bringing the cost of a cycle to ONE MILLION DOLLARS!
 
4 weeks M14add @ 120 MG ED After 1st week of M1 starting 1-t Going 5 pumps a day for35- 45days.. Nolva for PCt 20,20,20,20. And diet will be 250-350g Protein 600-800g Carbs 40-50g good fats. Im hoping to really slap it on!
 
Corona said:
4 weeks M14add @ 120 MG ED After 1st week of M1 starting 1-t Going 5 pumps a day for35- 45days.. Nolva for PCt 20,20,20,20. And diet will be 250-350g Protein 600-800g Carbs 40-50g good fats. Im hoping to really slap it on!
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looks good man. there's no estro problems from the m1,4add? (sorry, don't know much about it). I may consider that. I was leaning more toward havoc/epi, cuz i've found a lot more information on those. how'd you decide on m1?

..and since price is kinda the subject of this thread, what's your grand total? :)
 
eballarj said:
looks good man. there's no estro problems from the m1,4add? (sorry, don't know much about it). I may consider that. I was leaning more toward havoc/epi, cuz i've found a lot more information on those. how'd you decide on m1?

..and since price is kinda the subject of this thread, what's your grand total? :)
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No.... Im not prone to gyno (knocks on wood) Definetly going to be some water retention. My understanding is that M14add has a slight conversion to dbol when taking in doses of 120 and higher Grand Total $240 i;ve done a couple havoc cycles only as cutters though. I decided on the M1 cause it should gowell as a bulker along with the T-1. Due you have the coupon to get the T-1 at 60 a bottle ?thats with shipping
 
Corona said:
No.... Im not prone to gyno (knocks on wood) Definetly going to be some water retention. My understanding is that M14add has a slight conversion to dbol when taking in doses of 120 and higher Grand Total $240 i;ve done a couple havoc cycles only as cutters though. I decided on the M1 cause it should gowell as a bulker along with the T-1. Due you have the coupon to get the T-1 at 60 a bottle ?thats with shipping
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nope. you got it??? hook me up!! haha.

so is m1 more "wet?"

...has anyone heard of how 1-t effects libido? positively or negatively?

i'm assuming since it appears estro can be an issue with m1, that it can neg. effect libido?
 
haha i stick with crack for cutting since its cheaper and i can use the money i save on support supps because they prevent death.

in all seriousness some guys here spend more money on supplements than i do on androgens and i blast heavily and cruise year round. the only few supps ive found effective are fish oils, glucosamine/chondriotin/msm, cissus , atd worked but .25mg of adex is much better.
 
The more I look at this the more I go "Wow!?!" :think:

Active ingredients per 5 pumps = 23 days

1-Androsterone™ or 1-DHEA – 112.5 mg -> 1-androstenediol -> 1-testosterone. How much possible 1-testosterone could there be considering absorption and conversion? Even at 100% absorption and 100% conversion?

DHEA – 94.5 mg -> *androstenediol/*androstenedione -> testosterone. How much possible testosterone could there be considering absorption and conversion? Even at 100% absorption?

* converts ≤ 10% testosterone
 
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