Does anyone know of or have used Advanced Muscle Science
1- androsterone ,or 4- androstendiol
1- androsterone ,or 4- androstendiol
don't be an ass! I know what 1-AD and 4-AD are, but they are also banned. Advanced muscle science say they changed them so they can still sell them. I was hoping to find out if its any good. Oh, they also say its safe and non-toxic to the liverseriously? :gotsearch
Ummm...I thought that DHEA had a double bond at the 5th carbon while this has one at the 4th. Seems exactly what they said it was, a crossbreed of andro and original 4-ad. Take test and make the -OH a =O at 17, then take the =O and make it an -OH at 3.the 4 AD is the fancy name for DHEA, and the 1AD seems to be bogus as well.
I see what you are saying but what I am saying is I think that a search on this will turn up the wrong info. Unless labeled incorrectly I am pretty sure this is not DHEA and would convert to test at least a little. Definately not good on its own but possibly good with a something else to help with libido? One thread here did show a good increase in test with this product, seemed he had really low levels anyways though if I recall.Didn't mean to sound like a peen. It's just this board gets so many questions that search can answer.
The product is bunk. If you like the effects of it just dose DHEA and some other goodies and save your money. If you are looking for something non-Ph or non-PS try the evo stack from ARLI. It's Jungle warfare, Bad Ass Mass, And Restore. It's my between cycles cycle.
One of the main ingredients is diandrone, which is an obsolete name for DHEA: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/640510-post8.htmlUnless labeled incorrectly I am pretty sure this is not DHEA and would convert to test at least a little
That is one of the reasons I posted. I read that but the label on nutraplanet does not say that. I posted the label a few post ago. Did they change the product? I don't see Diandrone ethyl ester or whatever anywhere. What I see on the label now is the "cross" b/w andro and 4-diol. DHEA would be a 5th carbon double bond not a 4th. I have seen the test results, seems it raised test levels slightly. This is what makes me think its not worthless as a stacker. That could be a misread test reading from ATD though also. So just pondering out loud really.One of the main ingredients is diandrone, which is an obsolete name for DHEA: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/640510-post8.html
Oh...pardon my ignorance then. I didn't know that they had changed the label. I'm sure that it's nothing more than slight of hand and the ATD issue you brought up is likely the case IMO.That is one of the reasons I posted. I read that but the label on nutraplanet does not say that. I posted the label a few post ago. Did they change the product? I don't see Diandrone ethyl ester or whatever anywhere. What I see on the label now is the "cross" b/w andro and 4-diol. DHEA would be a 5th carbon double bond not a 4th. I have seen the test results, seems it raised test levels slightly. This is what makes me think its not worthless as a stacker. That could be a misread test reading from ATD though also. So just pondering out loud really.
end of rant?..hahah...jk manEveryone seems to put down this particular product without using it and then they recommend some other "junk" for someone to take that they have tried and if someone on this forum is actually a chemist that could describe the whole process then dont say its junk when you havent even used it because for all you know is that it might work. Isnt that what we all hope for before we start something we havent taken before. Because if we are going to refer anything to the old andro days we need to refer to all of these new supplements as "junk". DHEA or not DHEA if you find a purpose for it and it actually works I will use it because if it didnt have a purpose it would not be so widespread maybe with all the advances in science nowadays maybe someone found a reason for it. For God sakes we never thought we would have phones that we could connect to the internet to 10 years ago or even have cell phones that work so good 20 years ago. And look at NO2 everything has it in its product nowadays when its been around since the begining!
Please see this post/thread:Everyone seems to put down this particular product without using it and then they recommend some other "junk" for someone to take that they have tried and if someone on this forum is actually a chemist that could describe the whole process then dont say its junk when you havent even used it because for all you know is that it might work. Isnt that what we all hope for before we start something we havent taken before. Because if we are going to refer anything to the old andro days we need to refer to all of these new supplements as "junk". DHEA or not DHEA if you find a purpose for it and it actually works I will use it because if it didnt have a purpose it would not be so widespread maybe with all the advances in science nowadays maybe someone found a reason for it. For God sakes we never thought we would have phones that we could connect to the internet to 10 years ago or even have cell phones that work so good 20 years ago. And look at NO2 everything has it in its product nowadays when its been around since the begining!
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