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I have yet to verify how many IUs I'd get for that price. They just told me a price. Why I didn't ask for the # of IUs...I have no idea. heh

Ha ha, yes, that's what I was saying. But I'm not actually recommending it! 😋

I have not tried GH... It's a sourcing issue. I could go pharma (Rx) but it's very expensive and I'd like to think there's a quality source out there with inventory. The hunt begins! I would probably run 4-5iu ED along with my TRT protocol. 😁

Agreed, the clinician did the right thing. In all honesty, I'll bump my dose back down to the prescribed level in the near future. I'm really on TRT for anti-aging purposes. I'm in my 40s and still want to look and feel great vs. get really jacked and strong. I appreciate your dialogue, Smont. 👍

200 put me over 1,500 total, 33.1 free and 863 bioavailable. I felt just fine. The clinic bumped me down to 160 and I have yet to be retested but they do huge panels 2x yearly ($300 my cost).

200 led to high free and bioavailable test so that's why the dropped me to 160. I agree though that's it's no longer TRT when I raise the dose. If I'm at 200, how much time should I be at 160 before the next blood draw so I don't jack up the results? Cheers, PP

Absolutely. I do get regular blood work. Timing is key.

LOL sorry I'm getting my forums confused. 😁

Wait, aren't you on ASF, too? I agree, SARMS WILL shut you down. I have the blood work to prove it. If you want to get on TRT and have it covered by insurance (not recommending it), hop on SARMS. 😊

My TRT clinic dialed me down to 160mg test cyp EW. I'm jacking it back up to 200 (where they started me at). My recovery at 200 was nuts... It's still really good at 160 but I want the extra size and libido. Side note: I'm looking try add 4-6iu GH ED to further lean out, add muscle and for the...

Awesome, I really appreciate that info! And I completely agree... There are other things they could put in a vial to mimic GH. Great point!

Thanks, Smont. I can see the inherent challenges with separating the wheat from the chaff. I suspect the only way is to acquire some product and collect a before/after IGF-1 blood work. 👍

Can anyone with experience with Chinese GH comment on the effectiveness? Or is it better to stick with non-Chinese? I've never experimented with GH, only peptides, but I really want the anti-aging and fat burning benefits of GH and I want to avoid the "junk" stuff. Papapump

I did the troche ('tro-key') which is a sublingual (it's like a small square 'candy') The reason for that vs. injectable is I have a RT forearm tendon tear and I didn't want to inject into that area as there's a lot of little 'things' going on there. Originally I did try injecting there but I...

I will tell you that true pharma-grade goods (stuff you'd get from a TRT clinic) are at a price premium (obviously) but for some things such as peptides, it may be worth it. Peptides (e.g., BPC-157, CJC-1295, etc.) are typically fragile and susceptible to elevated temperatures and handling. I...

Really good info. Thanks for sharing. I suspect the Test pricing includes the Anastrazole, Clomiphene, syringes and alcohol wipes? TRT clinics typically want to sell you everything. (I have been told that HCG is no longer available and they have replaced it with Clom).

I got some quotes from TRT clinics: 1) The Biostation (mainly in Florida): $625/vial - Omnitropin - 16 injections (5x/wk) which is 1 month supply. So $625/mo. How much GH per injection? They just said "standard dose" which I'd assume is 2iu. They also offer the Norditropin pen which costs a LOT...

☝️Truth! It definitely helps you to develope color but there are some very mild "sides", too.

It does take a genius to figure out your ambiguous statement regarding your superhuman hormonal conditions. Thanks for explaining. Now we can let this thread die since the results will be of zero use to everyone who does not possess your superhuman hormonal levels.

Why thank you for your opinion on someone's opinion on a personal topic. But I'm getting PMs that are wondering the same thing I am. I'm not interested in anyone's opinion. I'm only interested in an answer from Andrew. It's a very simple question I have posed which came from his personal...