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KLEEN LIVING - A log about Life, Training, and Nutrition.

Setbacks WILL happen. Injuries occur, and old ones can get grumpy. That’s okay - it’s not a death sentence & you know things can be improved again. Nothing is guaranteed permanence in life, but just know you can expect to keep improving things so take heart!
 
yeah man who knows, now that you mention the ibuprofen I do remember a couple times the past year where I had triggered mine briefly either doing snatch (ay-oh!) or hard OHP without enough warm up.
Kind of funny how the temporary stuff just falls from our memory when it seems so big at the time eh.
Setbacks WILL happen. Injuries occur, and old ones can get grumpy. That’s okay - it’s not a death sentence & you know things can be improved again. Nothing is guaranteed permanence in life, but just know you can expect to keep improving things so take heart!
Yeah, keeping my head up and spirits high. A setback is all this is.
 
Great news, things are much better today. It took a few days for the inflammation to get down, but yesterday I was able to do my traction, we just lowered the resistance, and made sure the neck strap was a little higher so it wasn't right on top of one of the messed up areas. I still have a little nagging issue if I move my neck in certain ways, but the difference is night and day.

I did not lift yesterday, I chose to get one more day of recovery before pushing things. I did do cardio though.

Incline Treadmill - 35 minutes

I plan on lifting today to see how things go. I feel pretty confident that things will go well.
 
Great news, things are much better today. It took a few days for the inflammation to get down, but yesterday I was able to do my traction, we just lowered the resistance, and made sure the neck strap was a little higher so it wasn't right on top of one of the messed up areas. I still have a little nagging issue if I move my neck in certain ways, but the difference is night and day.

I did not lift yesterday, I chose to get one more day of recovery before pushing things. I did do cardio though.

Incline Treadmill - 35 minutes

I plan on lifting today to see how things go. I feel pretty confident that things will go well.
Did you do those measurements?
 
Did you do those measurements?
I forgot about them totally. I remember us discussing measurements now, but I don't remember what I was going to measure. I slept too many times since then. ;)

I had 2 great sessions this weekend. One upper, and one lower. I also added in some sled pushing post session. Everything handled the challenge quite well. Good pumps and the sled pushes really got my right glute firing well.

I am mentally gearing up, and also getting things ready for a big push on fat loss. I ordered a lot of protein during the Memorial Day sales to be able to make this one super simple, and have easy fall back options when i don't feel like cooking. Unfortunately the protein powder pretty much sucks in the flavor profile. It looks great on paper and is probably great as far as quality but the flavor is just not something that makes you want to drink it. More like something you can drink but are not ever going to enjoy. If anyone is looking for protein I would stay away from this one if you want to enjoy your protein shakes. I will probably be trying to mix this with fruits, or just use as little water as possible and just slam the shakes to get the protein in.

Performance Inspired Performance Whey Blueberry flavor - The label claims Delicious, Clean, and Mixes Easily. The Truth - barely any flavor, has an aftertaste and does not mix well.

Either way, I am about to kick off a real focus at weight loss. I am tired of being this heavy, and out of shape. So I am going to really push cutting some weight in the next few months. I want to get myself back down around 200 again and then figure out where to go from there.
 
Either way, I am about to kick off a real focus at weight loss. I am tired of being this heavy, and out of shape. So I am going to really push cutting some weight in the next few months. I want to get myself back down around 200 again and then figure out where to go from there.

I feel like you and I are in a similar spot with balance/life/gym. As long as my "top end" on the scale continues to trend downwards, I figure keep things in control with the right habits/balance and I'll be ready to break below the trendline when its life appropriate lol. this is what my scale looks like below, haha. except without that final break to the south 😂

But I figure if 207 becomes 195 for a top and I can average say 190 ish, then a hard 10lb cut accomplishes a lot more from 190 than it did from 205!

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I forgot about them totally. I remember us discussing measurements now, but I don't remember what I was going to measure. I slept too many times since then. ;)

I had 2 great sessions this weekend. One upper, and one lower. I also added in some sled pushing post session. Everything handled the challenge quite well. Good pumps and the sled pushes really got my right glute firing well.

I am mentally gearing up, and also getting things ready for a big push on fat loss. I ordered a lot of protein during the Memorial Day sales to be able to make this one super simple, and have easy fall back options when i don't feel like cooking. Unfortunately the protein powder pretty much sucks in the flavor profile. It looks great on paper and is probably great as far as quality but the flavor is just not something that makes you want to drink it. More like something you can drink but are not ever going to enjoy. If anyone is looking for protein I would stay away from this one if you want to enjoy your protein shakes. I will probably be trying to mix this with fruits, or just use as little water as possible and just slam the shakes to get the protein in.

Performance Inspired Performance Whey Blueberry flavor - The label claims Delicious, Clean, and Mixes Easily. The Truth - barely any flavor, has an aftertaste and does not mix well.

Either way, I am about to kick off a real focus at weight loss. I am tired of being this heavy, and out of shape. So I am going to really push cutting some weight in the next few months. I want to get myself back down around 200 again and then figure out where to go from there.
Motivation for me to kick in back into gear. 🫡

Edit: the measurements were waist around navel and chest/lats because we’re in such a similar spot.
 
I feel like you and I are in a similar spot with balance/life/gym. As long as my "top end" on the scale continues to trend downwards, I figure keep things in control with the right habits/balance and I'll be ready to break below the trendline when its life appropriate lol. this is what my scale looks like below, haha. except without that final break to the south 😂

But I figure if 207 becomes 195 for a top and I can average say 190 ish, then a hard 10lb cut accomplishes a lot more from 190 than it did from 205!

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I do wish that was the case, but I think it is more like I need to pair down the "life" portion of life balance when it comes to nutrition specifically. Perhaps we are in a very similar place regarding balance, but yours is appropriate for your fitness level, and mine is not goal focused enough to drive any change outside of the physical therapy improvements.

I currently have a phobia of sorts that if I diet while I can not train hard enough to try to build muscle that I am going to lose a lot of it if I truly start dieting. I have to be honest there is something in the back of my mind telling me I am gonna be the small guy on the beach getting sand kicked in his face if I diet right now without being able to push nice and hard.

Of course the reasonable side of me is like Dude you looked good in the 180's when you had less muscle, no need to worry about it right now. However for a guy who has maintained the size I have the last several years my mind goes into an unreasonable process of thinking I am going to be tiny when I am lean enough to be happy with how things are going. The crazy thing is without any change in nutritional behavior, I have gone up to 220 since I have been able to lift more, so a lot of the muscle loss I was worried about has probably been reversed a bit just with the work I have been able to do this last I guess 4 weeks.
Motivation for me to kick in back into gear. 🫡

Edit: the measurements were waist around navel and chest/lats because we’re in such a similar spot.
Ah, yes, I just set a reminder to check on this later to see where I am at. I definitely need the motivation too, so seeing a big number there might just wake up that "I have to fix this now!" mentality.
 
I currently have a phobia of sorts that if I diet while I can not train hard enough to try to build muscle that I am going to lose a lot of it if I truly start dieting. I have to be honest there is something in the back of my mind telling me I am gonna be the small guy on the beach getting sand kicked in his face if I diet right now without being able to push nice and hard.

Of course the reasonable side of me is like Dude you looked good in the 180's when you had less muscle, no need to worry about it right now. However for a guy who has maintained the size I have the last several years my mind goes into an unreasonable process of thinking I am going to be tiny when I am lean enough to be happy with how things are going.
Been there every single time I dieted except the last one. This year I think I went from peak 205 to a dehydrated low of 183 (so lets say 188/189) and that 15+ lbs lost is the first time I felt like I was holding mass still pretty well. Despite that, I always notice the dudes walking past me in the gym and think "man that guy is jacked" then I catch a reflection of he and I both in the mirror at the same time and realize I'm bigger than him hahahaha dysmorphia is a bitch!

I need to get down to TX eventually so we can lift together. I'm always curious to see how much bigger you are since you are an inch shorter but EASILY hold 10-20lbs of lean mass more than me 24/7 I bet you are way more jacked than you think.

I think for me the basics are while I still want my shirt to fill out the sleeves/shoulders/pecs, I want to not catch flab hanging over my belt in the mirror and I like my fitting shirts to be loose in the waist. generally, if I can hold onto a couple small metrics I feel pretty good. plus my wife's vision is not what it was so all she sees is the good curves and bulges, not the finite details we nit pick about ourselves 😂 😂 😂 😂
 
Oh yeah Man, I would love that. I will end up showing you all what I look like here shortly when I decide to put the hammer down there are going to be some embarrassing Before Pics, and hopefully some much happier me After Pics once done.
 
CBum dad bod pics incoming!
Ha, no Sir, not even jokingly close. More like chubby powerlifter. I have hanging fat, we are not talking about someone with major dysmorphia looking pretty good and not knowing it. We are talking about a muscular guy who got fat. :) My arms, shoulders, chest and lats are all still plenty big but my belly is now too!!!
 
Ha, no Sir, not even jokingly close. More like chubby powerlifter. I have hanging fat, we are not talking about someone with major dysmorphia looking pretty good and not knowing it. We are talking about a muscular guy who got fat. :) My arms, shoulders, chest and lats are all still plenty big but my belly is now too!!!
Hey I resemble that remark!
 
I ran out monday morning to water the tomacco pots in my boxer briefs (benefit of living in the woods) and caught myself on the camera bent over with a bit more belly than I'd like lol. Funny how much better it looks 20ft away from the mirror with downlighting while standing as tall and stretched as possible.
 
I had a nice little session yesterday, I focused on bodyweight stuff, glutes, core, and of course took my walk. Neck is feeling good, and I am happy about that.

I spent some time looking into how 5-3-1 would work for me right now, but I had to come to a sobering realization I am not quite ready for that yet. I do think it could be a valuable method of returning to strength training and came up with several modifications, but the reality is I still have a little ways to go before trying that. I think this is just me looking for some form of consistency for my training. The do what you can when you can is good to keep making progress, but I am at a point I am wanting more structure. So I am going to have to figure that out.
 
That’s great the neck is feeling good. Definitely understand not doing 5/3/1 yet. As long as you are steadily making progress then that train will keep moving down the track. When you are ready, one of the good things with 5/3/1 is how easy it is to customize for your goals, but you definitely want to be at a place where you’re comfortable increasing weights weekly. The good thing is it sounds like you’re in that transition stage from rehab work to getting back to your normal training.💪😎👍
 
I had a nice little session yesterday, I focused on bodyweight stuff, glutes, core, and of course took my walk. Neck is feeling good, and I am happy about that.

I spent some time looking into how 5-3-1 would work for me right now, but I had to come to a sobering realization I am not quite ready for that yet. I do think it could be a valuable method of returning to strength training and came up with several modifications, but the reality is I still have a little ways to go before trying that. I think this is just me looking for some form of consistency for my training. The do what you can when you can is good to keep making progress, but I am at a point I am wanting more structure. So I am going to have to figure that out.
Yeah you need a base of healthy movement and tissue first before worrying about barbell progressions. The other stuff Jim recommends for accessories should be the focus for now - the way he trains his high school football players.

Sled work, single-leg work like split squats or lunges, goblet squats for very high reps for the lower body. DB RDLs etc.

Upper he is big on dips, pushups, db pressing, chin-ups, rowing of all kinds. Obviously you need to tailor to safe intensities or tissue ranges so things like Pulldowns might be better than chin-ups etc. Dips are often no go for many advanced lifters.

But you get the idea: if you can’t drag a sled well or do 25 reps holding a big db in the goblet squat, you probably shouldn’t be putting a bar on your upper back. Build a robust base over time to prepare the body better.
 
That’s great the neck is feeling good. Definitely understand not doing 5/3/1 yet. As long as you are steadily making progress then that train will keep moving down the track. When you are ready, one of the good things with 5/3/1 is how easy it is to customize for your goals, but you definitely want to be at a place where you’re comfortable increasing weights weekly. The good thing is it sounds like you’re in that transition stage from rehab work to getting back to your normal training.💪😎👍
Agreed, I am starting to get "Hungry" so to speak. Wanting a little more.
Yeah you need a base of healthy movement and tissue first before worrying about barbell progressions. The other stuff Jim recommends for accessories should be the focus for now - the way he trains his high school football players.

Sled work, single-leg work like split squats or lunges, goblet squats for very high reps for the lower body. DB RDLs etc.

Upper he is big on dips, pushups, db pressing, chin-ups, rowing of all kinds. Obviously you need to tailor to safe intensities or tissue ranges so things like Pulldowns might be better than chin-ups etc. Dips are often no go for many advanced lifters.

But you get the idea: if you can’t drag a sled well or do 25 reps holding a big db in the goblet squat, you probably shouldn’t be putting a bar on your upper back. Build a robust base over time to prepare the body better.
I had actually basically decided last night that I needed to focus more on calisthenics where possible. Calisthenics, carries, and the like. I think it is probably my best bet, and will strengthen me to the point that I can decide what other things I can do. Plus calisthenics is something i have shown interest in multiple times. So I obviously have some interest in it. Plus I am really wanting to focus on getting some of my athleticism back. I have felt so tight and bound up the last few years, so I want to try and fix that.

Believe it or not, I can still do dips which is amazing because I love them.
 
Agreed, I am starting to get "Hungry" so to speak. Wanting a little more.

I had actually basically decided last night that I needed to focus more on calisthenics where possible. Calisthenics, carries, and the like. I think it is probably my best bet, and will strengthen me to the point that I can decide what other things I can do. Plus calisthenics is something i have shown interest in multiple times. So I obviously have some interest in it. Plus I am really wanting to focus on getting some of my athleticism back. I have felt so tight and bound up the last few years, so I want to try and fix that.

Believe it or not, I can still do dips which is amazing because I love them.
That’s excellent.

Something Jim pushes his student athletes on especially, and espouses in general, is the need to be able to move your bodyweight well as a prerequisite for more loading.

When I got to meet Broderick Chavez last year in Vegas while our wives competed, he let me pick his brain about training under Fred Hatfield. He told me that if Fred could leave me any parting piece of advice as a powerlifter, it was to always think of yourself as an athlete first - he believed in being a strength athlete. If you get so heavy or tight that you cannot move well or do the necessary work, you are going in the wrong direction.
 
Catching up in here:

I hear you Kleen on the dieting down part being hard for us meatheads when it comes to potential muscle loss. But I think by actually doing it, I overcame that fear part for me at least. Do I mentally still like the weight on the scale being as low as it is for me? No, but that's ego / insecurity. Reminder that 85-95% of the population still doesn't do what we do intensity wise, so we're always comparing ourselves to top bodybuilding/physique guys - and even the 1% on here who are legitimately self-selected outliers.

Just keep on focusing on little progressions given your injuries, bodyweight work is always great. There's also more and more folks moving into that hybrid athlete / functional athlete model, which as we get older is not a bad thing.
 
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